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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The extreme prices are a huge barrier. After all the improvements and reforms they've been making lately, its a shame they still haven't learned that lesson.

That said, do the Army Bundles offer a decent discount? GW has been pretty good with discounted bundles and army boxes lately, but I don't know if Forgeworld has followed their example.

Theres LotR discounted bundles available? Where are they, I might get some!

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The extreme prices are a huge barrier. After all the improvements and reforms they've been making lately, its a shame they still haven't learned that lesson.

That said, do the Army Bundles offer a decent discount? GW has been pretty good with discounted bundles and army boxes lately, but I don't know if Forgeworld has followed their example.

Theres LotR discounted bundles available? Where are they, I might get some!

On the Forge World site, listed under Bundles.

 Ghaz wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The extreme prices are a huge barrier. After all the improvements and reforms they've been making lately, its a shame they still haven't learned that lesson.

That said, do the Army Bundles offer a decent discount? GW has been pretty good with discounted bundles and army boxes lately, but I don't know if Forgeworld has followed their example.

Theres LotR discounted bundles available? Where are they, I might get some!

On the Forge World site, listed under Bundles.

Thanks!


hmmmm, not cheap. Might stick to my current route of historicals and various appropriate finds.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The extreme prices are a huge barrier. After all the improvements and reforms they've been making lately, its a shame they still haven't learned that lesson.

That said, do the Army Bundles offer a decent discount? GW has been pretty good with discounted bundles and army boxes lately, but I don't know if Forgeworld has followed their example.

Theres LotR discounted bundles available? Where are they, I might get some!

Warhammer 40K and Age of Simar Start Collecting boxes. I don't think they've done any for the Hobbit.

'One Click bundles' are not discounted.

*scratches head*

I'm looking at those dwarves and I see standard FW prices on the infantry. Did anyone expect 2008 plastic pricing on those? Given that you need relatively few models to field a decent force in LotR compared to pretty much any other GW game, it doesn't seem that bad of a deal.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Which makes sense since Dain is listed as a part of The Hobbit Character Series. He lacks an ott display base but comes with 2 versions of himself, so probably uses a similar amount of resin.

Acording to unboxing reviews he does come with cast scenic bases (although not OTT perhaps).

While Dain and the Ballista are a bit pricey, I'm pleased with the cost of the Iron Hills Dwarfs themselves. They are actually significantly cheaper than for example the Finecast Gundabad Orcs from the GW Hobbit range.

All in all, I think these prices are about as good as we could have expected.

 Ghaz wrote:
On the Forge World site, listed under Bundles.

The bundles are not discounted. Same price as if you bought the figures separately.

 mdauben wrote:
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 Ghaz wrote:
On the Forge World site, listed under Bundles.

The bundles are not discounted. Same price as if you bought the figures separately.

Didn't say they were discounted, just that those were the bundles. Anyone familiar with GW should know by now GW doesn't offer a discount on web bundles

As for the £40 price of the Iron Hills Dwarf Warriors, I'd like to point out that's actually cheaper than the resin troops that were released for the last movie which would have cost £60 for the same number of models.

completely bonkers that GW / FW thinks they can restart the Hobbit / LotR game with these prices. They killed it before it got of the ground.
I don't doubt collectors and fans will get a lot of these. I do doubt that this game will get any traction or build any base. If GW just want to break even on their investment, so be it, but these prices are stupid.

Look at what you can get from other hot games on the market right now....

 Draccan wrote:
GW / FW thinks they can restart the Hobbit / LotR

Where does this idea come from?

GW isn't restarting LotR. They're providing low cost support to a system that a portion of their customer base still plays. I very much doubt anyone at GW wants to make LotR a flagship. That would be rather silly.

investing in something and setting it up for failure is silly

Well, you said you don't doubt the fans and collectors will get a lot of those dwarves. I'd wait a little to see if perhaps they'll buy enough to turn a profit for GW.

I mean, I'll probably buy a few units, just because I love the LotR aesthetic.

so many people in the OSGBHL and the GBHL have these ordered. Not looking forward to facing them at the december grand tournies.

Draccan wrote:
completely bonkers that GW / FW thinks they can restart the Hobbit / LotR game with these prices. They killed it before it got of the ground.
I don't doubt collectors and fans will get a lot of these. I do doubt that this game will get any traction or build any base. If GW just want to break even on their investment, so be it, but these prices are stupid.

Look at what you can get from other hot games on the market right now....

Just as I was thinking of coming back, I see this. I guess I am not part of GW demographic they want buying their product.

Horrible paint job coming in from Forge World. I expected better especially at those prices. Seeing that paint job, those prices, now I remember why I quit the first place.

Plastic LOTR buildings would likely get some of my $ eventually, even at stupid prices.

Davor wrote:

Draccan wrote:
completely bonkers that GW / FW thinks they can restart the Hobbit / LotR game with these prices. They killed it before it got of the ground.
I don't doubt collectors and fans will get a lot of these. I do doubt that this game will get any traction or build any base. If GW just want to break even on their investment, so be it, but these prices are stupid.

Look at what you can get from other hot games on the market right now....

Just as I was thinking of coming back, I see this. I guess I am not part of GW demographic they want buying their product.

Horrible paint job coming in from Forge World. I expected better especially at those prices. Seeing that paint job, those prices, now I remember why I quit the first place.

I agree that those prices are very high and they have certainly priced themselves out of my buying range, but I am surprised that people are so surprised by this.

As soon as this was announced as a forgeworld project, this was what I was expecting. Dain is a little cheaper than Gorro and the infantry are a similar price to solar auxlia infantry.
Again I think the prices are very high but people need to learn to manage their expectations. On that note here is a heads up.
Resin bloodbowl teams will cost around £40. Star players will be £30 and up. Future specialist games stufg will also be very expensive. I am scared of how much they will charge me to get an adeptus titanicus game upand running

I feel like they're actually doing things right here, or at least par for the course.

The rumor was (is) that they are bringing back ALL of the discontinued LotR models. There is the starting point for new players. There is a LOT there to choose from when beginning a new force. Add in the rumored rolling of all books into one massive tome and you've got a recipe for easy army options going forward. Buy the core book, and then buy whatever armies tickle your fancy since you've got the rules already.

Forgeworld will remain a more expensive, yet prettier, option for those so inclined. While it's true they may be handling all of the new releases going forward, which is a minus, you've still got plenty of options outside Forgeworld for your Tolkien itch.

LotR:SBG is by miles the best skirmish system GW have, given its playable with a handful of models the prices of that handful isn't that bad - something like a 'start collecting' box would easily be a functional army here.

FW is probably the best place for this to live, and perhaps at some point get a plastic box to test the waters

The problem with forge world running the show for LotR.......is that forge world don't have a very good history of supporting their lines outside of HH and quietly leaving product lines to wither away, whilst they churn out the fiftieth variant of HH space marine armour for the button counters.

Something now is better than nothing, I suppose.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
The problem with forge world running the show for LotR.......is that forge world don't have a very good history of supporting their lines outside of HH and quietly leaving product lines to wither away, whilst they churn out the fiftieth variant of HH space marine armour for the button counters.

Something now is better than nothing, I suppose.

They hired new staff especially for this. I believe they have dedicated designers making the minis. They are approaching the specialist games stuff in a much more focused way than before.

Chikout wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
The problem with forge world running the show for LotR.......is that forge world don't have a very good history of supporting their lines outside of HH and quietly leaving product lines to wither away, whilst they churn out the fiftieth variant of HH space marine armour for the button counters.

Something now is better than nothing, I suppose.

They hired new staff especially for this. I believe they have dedicated designers making the minis. They are approaching the specialist games stuff in a much more focused way than before.

^^this. Wish I Had not ignored the job posting for MiddleEarth staff.

Can we purchase only at Forge World only or can we buy them at GW and or FLGS now?

Chikout wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
The problem with forge world running the show for LotR.......is that forge world don't have a very good history of supporting their lines outside of HH and quietly leaving product lines to wither away, whilst they churn out the fiftieth variant of HH space marine armour for the button counters.

Something now is better than nothing, I suppose.

They hired new staff especially for this. I believe they have dedicated designers making the minis. They are approaching the specialist games stuff in a much more focused way than before.

Yeah. Forge World has three sections now, traditional FW stuff (heresy, 40k, AoS); Specialist Games and Middle Earth, with their own staff.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Well, you said you don't doubt the fans and collectors will get a lot of those dwarves. I'd wait a little to see if perhaps they'll buy enough to turn a profit for GW.

I mean, I'll probably buy a few units, just because I love the LotR aesthetic.

Just in regards to this, coming from Ardacon, they completely sold out of all the Forge World items Adam Troke and the crew took there. I believe they stated they smashed their sales target by about 5 times the expected amount. So, the profit is already there, big time.

I'll probably get at least a small Iron Hills force.


Because war pigs, that's why!

 Ghaz wrote:
.Didn't say they were discounted, just that those were the bundles. Anyone familiar with GW should know by now GW doesn't offer a discount on web bundles

I didn't say you did. I was just pointing that out for the folks that might think these bundles are something special other than just a way to save a few mouse clicks when ordering.

 Draccan wrote:

completely bonkers that GW / FW thinks they can restart the Hobbit / LotR game with these prices. They killed it before it got of the ground...

Davor wrote:

Just as I was thinking of coming back, I see this. I guess I am not part of GW demographic they want buying their product.

You are aware that these prices only apply to three items in the whole LOTR/Hobbit range, right? Unless you are determined to build an Iron Hills Dwarf army, the cost of these are irrelevant. You can still buy plastic warriors for £15/$25 a dozen, and mounted/foot character sets for £15.50/$24.75. Obviously, anything new is going to be at this higher FW cost, but there is still an extensive catalog of LOTR miniatures (and they continue rerelease OOP miniatures) at much lower prices. If you are flexible in which faction you are willing to play, its easy to get a playable for around $100.

 mdauben wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
.Didn't say they were discounted, just that those were the bundles. Anyone familiar with GW should know by now GW doesn't offer a discount on web bundles

I didn't say you did. I was just pointing that out for the folks that might think these bundles are something special other than just a way to save a few mouse clicks when ordering.

 Draccan wrote:

completely bonkers that GW / FW thinks they can restart the Hobbit / LotR game with these prices. They killed it before it got of the ground...

Davor wrote:

Just as I was thinking of coming back, I see this. I guess I am not part of GW demographic they want buying their product.

You are aware that these prices only apply to three items in the whole LOTR/Hobbit range, right? Unless you are determined to build an Iron Hills Dwarf army, the cost of these are irrelevant. You can still buy plastic warriors for £15/$25 a dozen, and mounted/foot character sets for £15.50/$24.75. Obviously, anything new is going to be at this higher FW cost, but there is still an extensive catalog of LOTR miniatures (and they continue rerelease OOP miniatures) at much lower prices. If you are flexible in which faction you are willing to play, its easy to get a playable for around $100.

Sorry I think I didn't explain myself, I am not just talking of the Dwarves, but the rest of the range as well. So once the new rules come out it can only be ordered by Forge World and the old minis as well, so if I wanted something now I better buy if from GW before it moves over to FW or will it stay with GW. Hope this makes more sense.

I get a feeling that the only people that are complaining about prices have never actually bought a LOTR/H model.

12 Iron Hills dwarves for £40 is currently $48.95.

12 Finecast Hobbit models is $100.
12 metal Lord of the Rings models is $60
10 plastic Hobbit Mirkwood Palace Guard is $40

Iron Hills Dwarves in resin are a fething STEAL at $48.95 for 12, less than half the price of Finecast and a significant savings over metal models.

I guess the reality of the pricing situation isn't as fun as inventing things to bitch about though

 judgedoug wrote:
I get a feeling that the only people that are complaining about prices have never actually bought a LOTR/H model.

12 Iron Hills dwarves for £40 is currently $48.95.

12 Finecast Hobbit models is $100.
12 metal Lord of the Rings models is $60
10 plastic Hobbit Mirkwood Palace Guard is $40

Iron Hills Dwarves in resin are a fething STEAL at $48.95 for 12, less than half the price of Finecast and a significant savings over metal models.

I guess the reality of the pricing situation isn't as fun as inventing things to bitch about though

YOu speak sense.
It's pricy but compared to Hobbit it's much much better. Now I have a reason to add GrimHammers to these FW Iron Hill dwarves to do more than just paint. I'm stoked. And when the rams come...

From Lady Atia on War of Sigmar:

Howdy Guys and Girls

Good news for all fans of middle-earth - the new Hobbit Sourcebook (for cheap 35 pounds) and the Laketown Houses (for even cheaper 25 pounds) will be up for pre-order on November 26.

As said before, the houses are modular and should be useful for middle-earth games, AoS or even Mordheim. The rulesbook contains everything you need to re-play the last two hobbit movies (yes, rules without models!).

Regards,
Lady Atia

 judgedoug wrote:
I get a feeling that the only people that are complaining about prices have never actually bought a LOTR/H model.

12 Iron Hills dwarves for £40 is currently $48.95.

12 Finecast Hobbit models is $100.
12 metal Lord of the Rings models is $60
10 plastic Hobbit Mirkwood Palace Guard is $40

Iron Hills Dwarves in resin are a fething STEAL at $48.95 for 12, less than half the price of Finecast and a significant savings over metal models.

I guess the reality of the pricing situation isn't as fun as inventing things to bitch about though

Enjoy Brexit exchange rates while you can.