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I don't completely understand the Red Onslaught Designer's Note:
What does it mean exactly, it says "both formations" but there are 6 formations in it. Which 2 is it referring to, or just the Red Onslaught and whichever inherent detachment?
Does it mean that all Possessed from all those formations come back on a 4+ with Deep Strike and the enemy army has -1LD?
Gamgee wrote: Hmmmm chaos is too popular and integral to be left for long like Sisters.
There is a theory they want to get rid of Slaanesh from the setting like they did with Age of Sigmar. All of these stories are building up to a large story event.
Allegedly there is going to be a Dark Eldar campaign book or something this year and for a long time there are hints that the Eldar race as a whole have found a way to kill Slaanesh. however the problem with this is their own god would need to be placed there. I think it was the Eldar God of death or something.
Anyways so if that happens which I think is likely then we have to see Chaos revised completely. We also know from reports that Chaos Marines are being worked on and that they are trying to work on whatever the big event for them it likely next year. I think the Eldar god of death being bad for everybody would be a great thing to revitalize Chaos. It lets them move Slaanesh out of the limelight. It lets them pour money into Chaos line to update it and get rid of some old kits and add new stuff for the new god.
This is just my personal theory from information I've gathered. It is based on what people say is solid rumors. Barring the Dark Eldar ones which were rated as fairly poor.
If this exact chain of events doesn't happen something similar enough will happen. Since this is a big task it's taking a long time to get all of the preparation work done.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. Slaanesh is still a part of AoS.
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the_scotsman wrote: I'm calling it right now. WAY stop many possessed in these formations to NOT be coming out with new possessed models soon. Plus they went permanently out of stock.
Considering they just printed an AoS book with datasheets for the Bretonnian range which went Last chance to buy BEFORE its release...no, not likely.
Gamgee wrote: Hmmmm chaos is too popular and integral to be left for long like Sisters.
There is a theory they want to get rid of Slaanesh from the setting like they did with Age of Sigmar. All of these stories are building up to a large story event.
Allegedly there is going to be a Dark Eldar campaign book or something this year and for a long time there are hints that the Eldar race as a whole have found a way to kill Slaanesh. however the problem with this is their own god would need to be placed there. I think it was the Eldar God of death or something.
Anyways so if that happens which I think is likely then we have to see Chaos revised completely. We also know from reports that Chaos Marines are being worked on and that they are trying to work on whatever the big event for them it likely next year. I think the Eldar god of death being bad for everybody would be a great thing to revitalize Chaos. It lets them move Slaanesh out of the limelight. It lets them pour money into Chaos line to update it and get rid of some old kits and add new stuff for the new god.
This is just my personal theory from information I've gathered. It is based on what people say is solid rumors. Barring the Dark Eldar ones which were rated as fairly poor.
If this exact chain of events doesn't happen something similar enough will happen. Since this is a big task it's taking a long time to get all of the preparation work done.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. Slaanesh is still a part of AoS.
I'd go further and say there is no real way of eliminating slaanesh from 40k without detonating the whole setting. The whole Eye of Terror and emergence of chaos was during the birth of slaanesh. It was Slaanesh pleasure cabals that roped good 'Ol Horace into their side as well if I remember correctly. Not to mention the whole eldar line has been modeled around their fate with "she who thirsts."
Cute story, but I don't really see why you'd spread such a s"theory." It will just snowball like a game of telephone and upset a lot of collectors.
Gamgee wrote: Hmmmm chaos is too popular and integral to be left for long like Sisters.
There is a theory they want to get rid of Slaanesh from the setting like they did with Age of Sigmar. All of these stories are building up to a large story event.
Allegedly there is going to be a Dark Eldar campaign book or something this year and for a long time there are hints that the Eldar race as a whole have found a way to kill Slaanesh. however the problem with this is their own god would need to be placed there. I think it was the Eldar God of death or something.
Anyways so if that happens which I think is likely then we have to see Chaos revised completely. We also know from reports that Chaos Marines are being worked on and that they are trying to work on whatever the big event for them it likely next year. I think the Eldar god of death being bad for everybody would be a great thing to revitalize Chaos. It lets them move Slaanesh out of the limelight. It lets them pour money into Chaos line to update it and get rid of some old kits and add new stuff for the new god.
This is just my personal theory from information I've gathered. It is based on what people say is solid rumors. Barring the Dark Eldar ones which were rated as fairly poor.
If this exact chain of events doesn't happen something similar enough will happen. Since this is a big task it's taking a long time to get all of the preparation work done.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. Slaanesh is still a part of AoS.
I'd go further and say there is no real way of eliminating slaanesh from 40k without detonating the whole setting. The whole Eye of Terror and emergence of chaos was during the birth of slaanesh. It was Slaanesh pleasure cabals that roped good 'Ol Horace into their side as well if I remember correctly. Not to mention the whole eldar line has been modeled around their fate with "she who thirsts."
Cute story, but I don't really see why you'd spread such a s"theory." It will just snowball like a game of telephone and upset a lot of collectors.
That's all fine and dandy until one of GW's execs goes "yeah, I don't like rapists in our product line, lets just retcon slaanesh", and then just dumps the whole mess on some poor overworked author.
Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Maybe they won't remove Slaanesh from the setting, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they never released another new Slaanesh miniature.
I wouldn't be surprised if any/all of the following happened:
-No new CSM Codex this year
-No new CSM codex this edition
-Next CSM codex contains nerfs
-CSM model lines are not updated, just added to
-CSM model lines aren't even added to
-CSM remains incapable of fielding effective unit combinations
-SM get an update to directly counter the upcoming CSM supplement update
-CSM gets pushed further into the back of the fluff
-Various Chaossy things get retconned
-Some antsy GW exec misguidedly tries to boost CSM sales by forcing an overworked ultrasmurf fanboy author to write a really crappy book about CSM -8th Edition is even moar shooty/psychic/synergy focused
-8E CSM codex maintains pre-5E paradigms
-8E CSM codex pretends that new gakky daemon engines are still the next best thing
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote: Maybe they won't remove Slaanesh from the setting, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they never released another new Slaanesh miniature.
I wouldn't be surprised if any/all of the following happened:
-No new CSM Codex this year
-No new CSM codex this edition
-Next CSM codex contains nerfs
-CSM model lines are not updated, just added to
-CSM model lines aren't even added to
-CSM remains incapable of fielding effective unit combinations
-SM get an update to directly counter the upcoming CSM supplement update
-CSM gets pushed further into the back of the fluff
-Various Chaossy things get retconned
-Some antsy GW exec misguidedly tries to boost CSM sales by forcing an overworked ultrasmurf fanboy author to write a really crappy book about CSM -8th Edition is even moar shooty/psychic/synergy focused
-8E CSM codex maintains pre-5E paradigms
-8E CSM codex pretends that new gakky daemon engines are still the next best thing
It's pretty depressing that there's nothing there I can say is definitely an exaggeration.
Selym wrote: That's all fine and dandy until one of GW's execs goes "yeah, I don't like rapists in our product line, lets just retcon slaanesh", and then just dumps the whole mess on some poor overworked author.
Well, it happened with the Fimir, but at least they eventually came back
I think the designers note for the Red Onslaught means you don't need to take 2 Chosen, 4 Possessed, 2 Terminators, 4 Cultists, raptors, Landraider, helbrute, 2 apostles and 2 CSM minumum...
I think it is saying the same Cultists from, let's say, the Cult of Slaughter can also be the Cultists in Kranons Helguard....
I expect when the codex gets updated baleflamer will go to AP4 and get a pt increase. Obliterators will randomly generate their weapons each turn from a D6 table. All vehicles get daemonic possession standard (pts for the upgrade are included in the increased base cost). No other changes.
Gamgee wrote: Hmmmm chaos is too popular and integral to be left for long like Sisters.
There is a theory they want to get rid of Slaanesh from the setting like they did with Age of Sigmar. All of these stories are building up to a large story event.
Allegedly there is going to be a Dark Eldar campaign book or something this year and for a long time there are hints that the Eldar race as a whole have found a way to kill Slaanesh. however the problem with this is their own god would need to be placed there. I think it was the Eldar God of death or something.
Anyways so if that happens which I think is likely then we have to see Chaos revised completely. We also know from reports that Chaos Marines are being worked on and that they are trying to work on whatever the big event for them it likely next year. I think the Eldar god of death being bad for everybody would be a great thing to revitalize Chaos. It lets them move Slaanesh out of the limelight. It lets them pour money into Chaos line to update it and get rid of some old kits and add new stuff for the new god.
This is just my personal theory from information I've gathered. It is based on what people say is solid rumors. Barring the Dark Eldar ones which were rated as fairly poor.
If this exact chain of events doesn't happen something similar enough will happen. Since this is a big task it's taking a long time to get all of the preparation work done.
You clearly haven't been paying attention. Slaanesh is still a part of AoS.
I'd go further and say there is no real way of eliminating slaanesh from 40k without detonating the whole setting. The whole Eye of Terror and emergence of chaos was during the birth of slaanesh. It was Slaanesh pleasure cabals that roped good 'Ol Horace into their side as well if I remember correctly. Not to mention the whole eldar line has been modeled around their fate with "she who thirsts."
Cute story, but I don't really see why you'd spread such a s"theory." It will just snowball like a game of telephone and upset a lot of collectors.
That's all fine and dandy until one of GW's execs goes "yeah, I don't like rapists in our product line, lets just retcon slaanesh", and then just dumps the whole mess on some poor overworked author.
I fail to see what makes slaanesh a cult of rapists. They have breasts and cod pieces, oh no think of the children! Show me where in the fluff they have ever raped anything? I am not trying to be inflammatory btw, if it exists I would like to be aware.
Us propa nerds know that Slaanesh has other facets, and is just hard to represent. But a GW exec probably just looks at our dick references and thinks "waddabout tha children".
We all know GW really wants to sell to younger players. The only thing stopping them from really going that way is that entry prices for a 40k army are greater than a kid's yearly allowance.
And GW will never drop prices.
Dan Abnett, I think it was Sabbat Martyr in the gaunt's ghost series is a pretty clear example on that one, complete with mutated hentai love-fests of dubious consent.
Runic wrote: I don't completely understand the Red Onslaught Designer's Note:
What does it mean exactly, it says "both formations" but there are 6 formations in it. Which 2 is it referring to, or just the Red Onslaught and whichever inherent detachment?
Does it mean that all Possessed from all those formations come back on a 4+ with Deep Strike and the enemy army has -1LD?
For confusing text I offer"UNITS OF POSSESSED HAVE THE TROOPS BATTLEFIELD ROLE instead of elites" I might just be daft but that seems to be a weird way to word the units counts as troops.
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crimson_caesar wrote: Has anyone heard anything about CS relics? Are they the same? Also what about the possessed table?
They appear to be the same ones reading my copy. The Possesed seem to give their shrouded to any vehicle they are I , not sure if this was in the originals?
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what do you guys use to read epubs while on a PC? i was never a fan of GW's formatting, it's kind of derpy as is, but the new version is basically unreadable on my computer with the nook and book bazaar apps (win10). they said it's 'enhanced for tablets but still readable on a pc' and i that's true. as long as i want to read 4 words at a time, from across the room.
gigasnail wrote: what do you guys use to read epubs while on a PC? i was never a fan of GW's formatting, it's kind of derpy as is, but the new version is basically unreadable on my computer with the nook and book bazaar apps (win10). they said it's 'enhanced for tablets but still readable on a pc' and i that's true. as long as i want to read 4 words at a time, from across the room.
I'm still a little annoyed that the Crimson Slaughter rules would represent a Word Bearer army almost perfectly. I know they've been good stand ins for Word Bearers since they came out but these new formations scream Word Bearers so much. Lots of Dark Apostles, Possessed and Deamons and Cultists.
I guess an original Legion is just stuck as stand ins for a recent Chapter.
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gigasnail wrote: what do you guys use to read epubs while on a PC? i was never a fan of GW's formatting, it's kind of derpy as is, but the new version is basically unreadable on my computer with the nook and book bazaar apps (win10). they said it's 'enhanced for tablets but still readable on a pc' and i that's true. as long as i want to read 4 words at a time, from across the room.
help me, internet.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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gigasnail wrote: what do you guys use to read epubs while on a PC? i was never a fan of GW's formatting, it's kind of derpy as is, but the new version is basically unreadable on my computer with the nook and book bazaar apps (win10). they said it's 'enhanced for tablets but still readable on a pc' and i that's true. as long as i want to read 4 words at a time, from across the room.
help me, internet.
I personally use the Chrome Simple EPUB Reader, and it seems to work fine, though with GW's files the titles and headings of pages can sometimes end up squished together with little spacing between the letters.
Nightlord1987 wrote: I think the designers note for the Red Onslaught means you don't need to take 2 Chosen, 4 Possessed, 2 Terminators, 4 Cultists, raptors, Landraider, helbrute, 2 apostles and 2 CSM minumum...
I think it is saying the same Cultists from, let's say, the Cult of Slaughter can also be the Cultists in Kranons Helguard....
I hope.
Now that I read it again, I think that's what it means aswell.
So the minimum for the Red Onslaught isn't the 2050ish points they would require separately, but instead the choices fill up multilple formations simultaneously.
It makes sense, since it's the same units repeated again and again in each formation.
If so, it might actually be semi-competitive as a whole.
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Thanatos73 wrote: I'm still a little annoyed that the Crimson Slaughter rules would represent a Word Bearer army almost perfectly. I know they've been good stand ins for Word Bearers since they came out but these new formations scream Word Bearers so much. Lots of Dark Apostles, Possessed and Deamons and Cultists.
I guess an original Legion is just stuck as stand ins for a recent Chapter.
Maybe the intern they dumped this on while the regular studio was busy writing and not-playtesting the 28 new SM psychic powers was not aware there's more than one kind of red CSM?
Legion: Dark Angels 
