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 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Chongara wrote:

Other than having exactly 0 of the remaining releases I'm looking forward to this year, I guess this right.

Not exactly relevent

How is this not relevant to whether someone should invest in a particular platform?

 Chongara wrote:
That and the much larger upfront investment,

Easily recouped in about 1-2 years if you buy games even semi regularly. You can get a basic, but still decent, complete set up for about £450

I'll have to take your word on this one.

 Chongara wrote:
the generally larger physical footprint,

Slightly bigger but virtually everyone has a desk.

Really don't understand how this is a counter point.

 Chongara wrote:
often questionable optimization of console ports,

Which are generally getting better.

Right, so they're still worse.

 Chongara wrote:
delayed releases for many titles

Or all those lovely PC exclusives like Stellaris or Warhammer;Total War.

This does not refute his point at all.

 Chongara wrote:
and possibly being in a different multiplayer system than your friends

The same is true for any system.

Agree with you on this one.

 Chongara wrote:
sometime obscure hardware compatibility issues

Extremely rarely, it has never happened to me in about 20 years and 5-6 systems (2 of which I built myself).

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I could just as easily tell you I had endless compatibility issues when I was PC gaming and it would be just as valid an observation as yours.

 Chongara wrote:
Thank god that doesn't happen.

Given that it was a valid response given the context, if not the specifics, of the question, It hadn't.

How? How on earth could you stumble into a topic where the OP is trying to decide between a PS4 and X-Box One and think to yourself... hey, let's throw a vote for PC even though it's not in this equation at all. You seriously consider that a valid response in this context?

Its also just as well that no one is trying to turn this thread into some kind of PC master race Vs console peasant thread isn't it?

You stumbling into this thread and suggesting PC in an X-Box/PS4 thread is much more damning evidence of trying to incite this argument than Chongara's response to you.

I have both and basically always have both.. My current strong preference this generation is for the PS4. Last gen it was for the 360, and before that it was for the PS2.
However, you need to consider the following rather than just going for the PS4 because some guy on the internet likes one over the other:


Do you have friends who are also online with a console? If so, then being able to play with them is a huge tick for whatever system.

Do you have a strong preference for the first, second or third-party exclusives of one console over the other? Halo? Forza? Gears of War? Dead Rising? Tomb Raider (1yr exclusivity)? State of Decay? Then Xbox. Uncharted? God of War? Forza? Street Fighter? DriveClub? Then PS4. Check the online lists of exclusives to see if you strongly favour one set over the other.

Do you have a ton of Rock Band content from the last Gen that you want to access this generation on your new machine? The content is transferrable to the same console family but not from 360 to PS4 or PS3 to XBone.

For third party content - If you're a big Call of Duty fan then PS4 is getting the most favoured extra love (content earlier) that the 360 got last round. Assassins Creed games tend to get a couple of PS4-exclusive missions with each release.

Interested in VR? The PS4 is doing that this Christmas season. It'll be expensive and not very good, though. I'd personally wait for the second or third consumer iteration. Similarly, Kinect is a non-issue at this point.

Physically the XBone controller is a bit better than the PS4 one, the touchpad is gimmicky though the speaker in the PS4 has some use. Neither is as good as the 360 and both are better than the PS3. You'll get used to either.

The PS4 has a smaller footprint and doesn't have a giant external power brick - so takes up a lot less space if that's an issue.

Both consoles come with "free games" if you subscribe to their online services. The games on PSN and XBone are only accessible as long as you're a subscribed member, though.
The XBone has a growing list of backwards-compatible games from the 360, so you can pick up a bunch of games cheap, and all of the "free games" for 360 stay owned permanently even if your sub lapses. All current free 360 games are now backwards compatible.
Conversely, PSN has a godawful expensive and terribad streaming rental service for older games.

PSN has a family sharing ability that allows you to share digital purchases and your online PS+ access with other family members who play on your PS4. You can even log onto a second PS4 at the same time and play the same game online at the same time using the one PS+ account and one (digital) copy of the game! This will only really matter if you intend to have 2 of the same console in your home at some stage.

The PS4 is a slightly more powerful console, and many third party titles look a little better due to native 1080p or less upscaling than the same title on XBone. Similarly framerates are often slightly better on PS4.

Both can play Blu-rays and Netflix with an app upgrade. I can use my Sony TV remote to control the PS4 via HDMI link, and the MS Xbone media remote is cheap and decent.

Ultimately, the best console for you will vary depending on your own criteria. Have a look through those points - especially the first two and then the second two and then look through the rest to see if they matter to you, and if so, how much.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
You seriously consider that a valid response in this context?

Obviously. I gave my opinion on an objectively superior alternative that hadn't been mentioned, that is not invalid.

There are 2 real drawbacks to the PC when compared to consoles, everything else is exaggerated or true of all systems. Firstly the start up cost is significantly higher although games are much cheaper so it balances out quite soon for most set ups. Secondly there is a greater spacial footprint required (basically a desk and a chair). Everything else is at least as good, if not significantly better, on PC, from choice of games to modability to graphics.

That's me done with this thread.

@Azazelx The Xbox One also has family sharing, just pointing that out!

Can you use it the same way that you can with PSN?

As in can my wife play a digital game I purchased on XBL on my XBone (with DRM rights tied to that machine) while I play on another XBone (with DRM rights tied to my own account, logged in on a second machine?) I tried it awhile back and it didn't seem to work.

We basically do that on our PS4s, so one digital copy and my PS+ account allows us to play online coop together at the same time. (her on my machine, and me on our second one).

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
objectively superior

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
That's me done with this thread.

So it's like that huh?

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

 Chongara wrote:
sometime obscure hardware compatibility issues

Extremely rarely, it has never happened to me in about 20 years and 5-6 systems (2 of which I built myself).

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. I could just as easily tell you I had endless compatibility issues when I was PC gaming and it would be just as valid an observation as yours.

That'd be my experience. Any day I decide to do PC gaming is a day my PC crashes. I didn't own either the PS4 or XBone but since my computer couldn't run Fallout 4 for more than 5 minutes before crashing no matter what I did, even following instructions from avid PC gaming friends, it still wouldn't work, so I had to buy a console. But my friend's advice sure did improve the frame rate so it could be silky smooth between crashes. And since it was a PC game I couldn't return it. So much for saving money!.

In the end, I just chose PS4 for Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Salt & Sanctuary and the the like.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
I gave my opinion on...an alternative that hadn't been mentioned

Person 1: What do you think of the code in the software compared to the other software?

Silent Puffin: I'm a vegan.

 Azazelx wrote:
Can you use it the same way that you can with PSN?

As in can my wife play a digital game I purchased on XBL on my XBone (with DRM rights tied to that machine) while I play on another XBone (with DRM rights tied to my own account, logged in on a second machine?) I tried it awhile back and it didn't seem to work.

We basically do that on our PS4s, so one digital copy and my PS+ account allows us to play online coop together at the same time. (her on my machine, and me on our second one).

A friend of me bought BF4 on Xbox Live, shared his account with a friend whom installed it on his Xbox and then logged in on his own account, and we could play it together with the three of us.

So yeah, one digital copy works.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
I gave my opinion on...an alternative that hadn't been mentioned

Person 1: What do you think of the code in the software compared to the other software?

Silent Puffin: I'm a vegan.

I understand how you can compare an annoying vegan with an annoying PC master racer but that's still a poor strawman.

Has it been your experience that using a strawman has ever helped a discussion? Certainly hasn't helped me in the past.

 Lotet wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
I gave my opinion on...an alternative that hadn't been mentioned

Person 1: What do you think of the code in the software compared to the other software?

Silent Puffin: I'm a vegan.

I understand how you can compare an annoying vegan with an annoying PC master racer but that's still a poor strawman.

Has it been your experience that using a strawman has ever helped a discussion? Certainly hasn't helped me in the past.

Should be more like:

Person 1: My mom's better than your mom!

Person 2: Nuh-uh! My mom is way better than your mom!

Silent Puffin: DOROTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Lotet wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:
I gave my opinion on...an alternative that hadn't been mentioned

Person 1: What do you think of the code in the software compared to the other software?

Silent Puffin: I'm a vegan.

I understand how you can compare an annoying vegan with an annoying PC master racer but that's still a poor strawman.

Has it been your experience that using a strawman has ever helped a discussion? Certainly hasn't helped me in the past.

Should be more like:

Person 1: My mom's better than your mom!

Person 2: Nuh-uh! My mom is way better than your mom!

Silent Puffin: DOROTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT.

Except, as he admits, she costs more and takes up more space.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Can you use it the same way that you can with PSN?
As in can my wife play a digital game I purchased on XBL on my XBone (with DRM rights tied to that machine) while I play on another XBone (with DRM rights tied to my own account, logged in on a second machine?) I tried it awhile back and it didn't seem to work.
We basically do that on our PS4s, so one digital copy and my PS+ account allows us to play online coop together at the same time. (her on my machine, and me on our second one).

A friend of me bought BF4 on Xbox Live, shared his account with a friend whom installed it on his Xbox and then logged in on his own account, and we could play it together with the three of us.
So yeah, one digital copy works.

Hm, I'll have to try it again. At least with the digital copies since we have a bit more on my account. We've got 2x XBLGold running at the moment. Thanks for that!

PC master race is great, but the upgrades are a bitch. This machine I'm typing on was a beast when I built it back in 2010, but these days it's fallen behind. It becomes a trade-off since this still does everything I need for work, web and video editing just fine and it's only new, high-end gaming where it's fallen behind - AKA it still plays most of my Steam library just fine without a need to upgrade. Replacing it (wife inherits the old ones when I buy the new ones, so I don't bother to upgrade piecemeal aside from more storage or repairs as needed) costs more than 5 current-gen consoles between the standard I'd want to get to and AU$prices, so it's easier to buy consoles as needed if they're just for gaming. Sure, KBM is better than a controller, but then again there's still a lot of Arkham City-style shenanigans across a lot of PC softs. The whole thing is a tangent to the OP's question, though.

 Lotet wrote:
I understand how you can compare an annoying vegan with an annoying PC master racer but that's still a poor strawman.

Has it been your experience that using a strawman has ever helped a discussion? Certainly hasn't helped me in the past.

You also forgot the part where someone with no sense of humor comes rushing in with an opinion and ruins everything for everyone.

To point out the backdrop for this.

I'm buying it for my missus, she's wanted to play Alien Isolation since seeing the trailers. It's going to be a surprise and I want her to be able to plug it into the tellie and play the game instantly. The secondary purpose is so we can have games to play together sat on the sofa with a takeaway and a bottle of wine.

A local gaming store is closing down and I can grab an almost new Xbox One for $200, along with a 1TB memory backup. This seems like a great deal and I think on that basis alone, the Xbox is going to win out.

Also she wants to play SW: Battlefront.

Alien: Isolation is an AMAZING game, good choice. I've still not managed to finish it though, I have to limit my play sessions as I get way too stressed out after 20 minutes or so The atmosphere is perfect and the Alien is genuinely fearsome.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
To point out the backdrop for this.

I'm buying it for my missus, she's wanted to play Alien Isolation since seeing the trailers. It's going to be a surprise and I want her to be able to plug it into the tellie and play the game instantly. The secondary purpose is so we can have games to play together sat on the sofa with a takeaway and a bottle of wine.

A local gaming store is closing down and I can grab an almost new Xbox One for $200, along with a 1TB memory backup. This seems like a great deal and I think on that basis alone, the Xbox is going to win out.

Also she wants to play SW: Battlefront.

That's an excellent deal.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I want her to be able to plug it into the tellie and play the game instantly.

Just a heads up, some games need a small install when you first put it in, not the whole game of course but you might be waiting 10 minutes. Plus you'll need to make a profile, most of which you can just skip pass after making a name. That's for the PS4, I don't know if the XBone is any more hassle.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
You seriously consider that a valid response in this context?

Obviously. I gave my opinion on an objectively superior alternative that hadn't been mentioned, that is not invalid.

There are 2 real drawbacks to the PC when compared to consoles, everything else is exaggerated or true of all systems. Firstly the start up cost is significantly higher although games are much cheaper so it balances out quite soon for most set ups. Secondly there is a greater spacial footprint required (basically a desk and a chair). Everything else is at least as good, if not significantly better, on PC, from choice of games to modability to graphics.

That's me done with this thread.

Ahahahahaha. Okay, thanks bro. Objectively superior? You mean how you'll eventually have to keep upgrading your PC to keep playing stuff, meanwhile my 15 year old gamecube works great and doesn't require an internet connection? Also, saying everything is as good if not better on PC is a bald-faced lie. Look at Arkham Knight, SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE on PC. Also, games are only cheaper via Humble Bundle or Steam Sales, otherwise, it's comparable when you look at the price of used games.

Also, modability isn't a word.

I miss the dreamcast...

BTW, if folks could please drop the PC gaming discussion. I have a PC, wife has a very decent laptop, we want a lounge entertainment gaming console. That's what this thread was started for, thanks.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Alien: Isolation is an AMAZING game, good choice. I've still not managed to finish it though, I have to limit my play sessions as I get way too stressed out after 20 minutes or so The atmosphere is perfect and the Alien is genuinely fearsome.

I'm not a big survival horror fan, but that game actually was very good. A touch overlong, mainly because it kept trying to make the androids scary when they weren't anywhere close to as dangerous or threatening as the alien. But an absolute must-play, especially since I think it's down to $20 or so.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


BTW, if folks could please drop the PC gaming discussion. I have a PC, wife has a very decent laptop, we want a lounge entertainment gaming console. That's what this thread was started for, thanks.

Indeed.

Thank you

 Lotet wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I want her to be able to plug it into the tellie and play the game instantly.

Just a heads up, some games need a small install when you first put it in, not the whole game of course but you might be waiting 10 minutes. Plus you'll need to make a profile, most of which you can just skip pass after making a name. That's for the PS4, I don't know if the XBone is any more hassle.

You need to install games on Xbox One as well, can unfortunately take an hour with some big games, others such as Rainbow 6 Siege are done in 15 minutes.

That's the one thing that annoys me wit the PS4. By the time I have half a dozen games in my collection the hard drive is full, and the only way to upgrade involves tracking down particular drives that are compatible, tearing the console open and replacing the internal hardware.

Xbox 360 let me just clip a new one on, and that was last generation...

The HDD upgrade paths on both consoles have a good point and a bad one. XBOne can add an external HDD, which is great, but you can't upgrade the internal one.

The PS4 on the other hand, natively supports upgrading the internal HDD (it's actually pretty easy), but not external drives.

Oh, with the latest update, PS4 supports remote play to Win 8.1 & 10 and the XBone is going to support remote play with Win10 (maybe it already does, I'm a Win7 holdout atm)

With the XBone or PS4, you'll need to set up (at least one) account on their online systems, so you'll need to decide if the primary is going to be your wife's account. Unfortunately changing email addresses in MS' system is a bit of a bitch to do. You might want to set up a "gaming email address" for your wife and set up an account for her (you don't have to use her full or real name, either - MS isn't the government!),

Then install A:I and the patches (both system updates and the patches for A:I), then rebox the whole lot if you want it to be an "open, setup, turn on and play" experience instead of an "open, setup, turn on and patch - come back in an hour or two" experience. While you're at it, install the Netflix app, the blu-ray patch and any other games you've gotten so the reveal is as seamless as possible.

I'm disappointed Dakka.

I had a PS2 in the past and briefly had a PS3.

Once I played on a 360, I never looked back.

It's just the online infrastructure and Windows 10 Cross play and the optimized backwards compatibility and the exclusives and the new releases (That ps4 dont get trololooo, Tomb Raider, quantum break, Killer Instinct and others) that blow ps4 out of the dirt.

Oh, and I can't snap an xbox controller in half with my bare hands

Overly-partisan comments aren't worth the paper that they're not even printed on. Especially self-admitted trolling comments like yours. The PS4 is objectively the better console, though the XBone's feature set is improving and slightly, slowly decreasing how much better the PS4 is.

Exclusives only matter to those who care about those titles. Killer Instinct? You're welcome to it - I haven't even booted it up. I'll buy the GOTY of TR this Christmas on PS4 with all the DLC thrown in for half the price. Similarly, backwards compatibility only matters to those who want to play older games and haven't kept their older consoles - since there's no upscaling, I prefer to play my 360 games on my 360 with my 360 controller.

Strangely enough, though, the PS4 seems to have framerate issues much more often. Witcher 3, Battlefield 4, etc.

The best part of this is:

 Azazelx wrote:
Overly-partisan comments aren't worth the paper that they're not even printed on

Followed by

 Azazelx wrote:
The PS4 is objectively the better console

It is better, objectively, by one standard and that is power. By all accounts the Sega Saturn was objectively more powerful than the PSX but the architecture and hardware never quite proved; power isn't everything. One has to be more holistic when looking at a system then purely based on higher numbers in the hardware side.

Unless it is Blast Processing. One always has to go with Blast Processing.

It is, through power so it has fewer titles thsat require upscaling to 1080p and (generally) has and holds a higher framerate. Though these will only be important to those people who are indifferent or neutral on what I consider the more important points - my first points in my posts in this topic were about the importance of social gaming (ie what your friends have) and the appeal of specific exclusives.

There are also some titles where the XBone is equal or (a few) where it actually does better than the PS4, though these are both seemingly a rarity. It's not like the last gen where the 360 was very clearly the better gaming machine than the PS3 (aliasing FTL). As long as you didn't mind paying for online play, need a Blu-Ray player, Uncharted, GoW or your friends weren't all on PS3.

The main point is that I'm not a fanboi for either console family as my "favoured" machine has belonged to both families, and that if you take out the other factors, (exclusives are a non-issue when you own both) then the PS4 comes out on top for most third-party games.

We're not in a Saturn-PSX or even a Dreamcast-PS2 kind of situation here with regard to 3rd party software availability, after all. Most games come out on both major platforms and so the power factor becomes a much bigger piece of "better" - just as it did last round when the 360 was king...

Have a look at Smurf's post filled with "trollol" and "blow out of the dirt". They're close enough that neither blows the other out of anything unless you wear a fanboi badge of one corporate logo or the other. That's what I'm talking about by overly-partisan. At this point, I wouldn't tell anyone the XBone is gakky or not to buy one. It's a solid machine with a good and worthwhile growing software library, as is the PS4.

 thenoobbomb wrote:
Xbox One. The controller is much better, Games with Gold is way better than PS+ and Live is much more stable and secure. Multiplats tend to be more stable on X1 as well.

Although I am a PS fanboy, I have to agree here. PS+ games for the last 8 months as sucked bad.