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2016/12/15 03:41:11
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One p10 -- new Oct trailer
Just back from seeing it tonight, its a really enjoyable Star Wars film. I'm surprised its been getting great reviews as I'm not sure that its amazing, but from a nerdy Star Wars fan perspective this is much more the kind of film I hoped to be getting than the Force Awakens. For the old EU canon folk its essentially a Hollywood re-imagining of Operation Skyhook and the Battle of Toprawa with a similar outcome for the Rebel Alliance.
2016/12/15 16:12:47
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One p10 -- new Oct trailer
I really loved it, it is better than the "Force Awakens" crap. However, it is far from perfect.
Spoiler:
-How could they destroy the AT-TTs with X wing weaponry when they couldn't do it in The Empire Strikes Back ???
- I'm not annoyed by the romantic scene at the end, I quite enjoyed it, for once. But... the hero coming back to life just in time to save the poor girl in distress, that's awful, awful.
- it is too easy for the rebels, sometimes.
A good 7/10 for me.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: Metacritic isn't much use for things. Rotten Tomatoes tends to be a better guide as it uses the critics, not just whatever. There could be crazy #DumpStarWars idiots posting bogus 1% reviews somewhere to drag it down.
The 48 critics listed by Metacritic for Rogue One are all fairly legit, so I'm not sure where you get the idea that random yahoos get to vote and skew their numbers. It's Tomatoes that's listing 200+ "reviewers" right now.
Metacritic is kinda dumb, but Rotten Tomatoes makes movie criticism far dumber than it already is. It reduces reviews to a binary 'thumbs up or down' and tells you how many critics voted that way. At least Metacritic tries to present some kind of scale.
Anyway, having read some reviews, they tend to support the Metacritic score for this one...good, but not great.
I'm a young man, not a father, so it's a bit difficult to say. But Rogue One is in deed a bit darker than others SW. What do you think about SW III, when the clones betray the jedis and kill them all, and when Anakin kill the children ? SW III is dark too. If you think your child can see the III, I think Rogue One is ok.
I wouldn't say it is traumatizing, but maybe he won't enjoy it ?
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Just saw it. I really do think it is my favourite Star wars film.
It very much is 'the wargamers' Star Wars film too. Fantasy Flight will be running their hands with glee too.
There are few films it is like but naming them would be very much into spoiler territory.
One thing that I'm kinda annoyed about, is the location and plotline of the first quarter of the film is required similar to the setting for my hypothetical star wars RPG campaign
2016/12/15 22:09:01
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One p10 -- new Oct trailer
EDIT: Which has now been closed. So apologies for anyone in the future who gets spoiled by the thread previews not hiding spoiler tags.
Spoiler:
I was wondering though, is the mon calamari admiral the Bwings dude from rebels season 2? - Nope, but it would have been neat if he was!
The female X-wing pilot is supposed to be Poe Cameron's mum right or did I imagine that rumour?
Kinda sad the Vader scenes weren't longer.
Months and months ago I made a few fan theories about the film and how is like it to go down. I've got to say I was pretty drawing close, all things considered. Particularly when I said, "it's gotta go down like a certain film people are still sensitive about spoilers for 11 years later at the end."
Let's just say,
I'm a leaf on the wind..
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2016/12/16 02:00:25
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Anyone else think Jane should have kept her stormtrooper figure in the box so it appreciates in value?
My only complaint about the film is the hentai monster the rebels had. That thing was just ugly and unessery. Too simmilar to the needless CGI monsters/aliens in the prequels
2016/12/16 05:00:20
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
I really enjoyed it. The start was a bit jumpy heading from planet to planet but once it got going it was great. And unusually for me I got a bit emotional with the last few scenes, especially those on Scariff.
A few thoughts:
Spoiler:
With Vader's final scene we truly see how scary he can be. I loved the Imperial officer that he ordered to form a boarding party look almost sorry for the rebels knowing their likely fate. This is the totally evil Vader that we have always needed to see.
The Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher cgi effects were a lot more effective than I could have imagined. A bit jarring, but I truly marked out when Tarkin was first on the screen.
Loved some of the new alien designs and vehicles.
Acting wise it was a great ensemble cast effort, Diego Luna, Mads Mikkelsen, and Ben Mendolsohn being the stand outs.
Oh that was one thing that I had trouble with. They really weren't clear on who everyone's names was. - it's quite a common thing I found on various ensemble films.
2016/12/16 08:14:25
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
I first saw "Star Wars" before it was called "A New Hope" at the age of 6, at a Drive-In movie theater astride a 1977 Corvette T-top. It was 1979 and I remember that I didnt want to go play at the playground. I didnt ask for candy, or soda or popcorn. Enthralled.
Later, all my friends and I could talk about was the rumor that Luke was Vaders son. I dont know how it got leaked to children before the internet and before Empire came to our little town's "Mall Twin Cinema," but I remember seeing the back of a SW trading card and it made me think... "yeah... I bet he is." I have loved all the Star Wars movies. I even didnt mind JarJar or the Ewoks, but they distracted the story a bit... but I didn't care. It was Star Wars. When I go... Im on the T-top again under a stary canopy in the South's warm summer.
Empire or A New Hope has been the reigning champ for most of us including myself.... the reflexive "go to" whwn someone asks whats your favorite Star Wars movie? Tonight, for the first time since the summer of 1979, I felt truely transported.
Tonight, I can confidently say... Rogue One is my new favorite. I feel weird about it, but its true. It had all the good and none of the bad. My only regret was that I am not 6 again.
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2016/12/16 09:05:37
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
As someone said previously "good, but not great" seems to be about right. The beginning jumps around too much, and even once things get going there's a little too much "and now a whole new planet!". The "{character who hasn't had a badass scene yet} guns down a bunch of stormtroopers at the last second" thing happened a little too frequently and felt kind of forced after the first few times. And the rebel leaders being so paranoid about fighting was just an annoying plot device to set up the main characters as even more rebellious than the rebellion. Oh no, how could we do something horrible like attacking an imperial base? What's the point in having a fleet for your rebellion if you're terrified of using it?
On the other hand it was certainly a fun movie, and damn that was an ending. Plenty of good moments, and none of the awkward "what the hell is going on here" problems TFA had if you didn't read the novels first. And it was interesting to see them go in a so much darker direction than any of the other movies. K-2SO dying was obvious as soon as the voice actor was announced, but I did not at all see such a thorough and relentless barrage of death scenes. Every main character dead. Most of the background characters dead. The rebel fleet destroyed. You kind of get the feeling the only reason gold leader survived is that he's doomed to die in the next movie. And it was also nice to see some acknowledgement that the rebellion has to get its hands dirty if they want to overthrow the government. Having the protagonist mercilessly shoot an inconvenient but innocent person and not even seem to feel bad about it really set the tone for the rest of the movie, I think.
And hey, y-wings got to do something! Gold squadron is officially more than just target practice for Vader!
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2016/12/16 15:03:04
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One p10 -- new Oct trailer
Second best Star Wars film after Empire for me.. amazing film.. just gave answers to questions I didn't even realise I wanted/needed to know the answers to.. excellent stuff.
Spoiler:
Anyone else feel a little sorry for Ponda Baba and Dr Evazan in New Hope now? Obviously drinking their sorrows a little bit, riled up due to the destruction they'd just escaped.
Also, Rebels references for the win. Really glad they gave a nod to the TV show. My eldest shouted out 'The Ghost!' when he saw it..
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2016/12/16 16:30:58
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Also, Rebels references for the win. Really glad they gave a nod to the TV show. My eldest shouted out 'The Ghost!' when he saw it..
where was that then? in the end battlr, i presume? i must've missed it. grrr. however, i did notice:
Spoiler:
when they were on yavin there was message over the tannoy in the background for a captain syndulla...
Spoiler:
When they first show Yavin IV its parked at the base, you see its cockpit, and then in the final battle it shows up a few times. Also yeah there was General Syndulla being called for over the coms
I guess I should also say I really enjoyed the film, I like it as much as or a little less than Empire.
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2016/12/16 17:13:29
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
It was entertaining, but it fell so far into the abyss of wasted potential.
Spoiler:
I quite liked the fact that the plot line took them to so many different places, it almost set milestones and chapters to each objective which gave the movie a strong sense of purpose. And on the whole, the plot actually worked, it was nice to see a movie that actually cares that there is a followable plot.
Where the movie fell flat a little was the excercution. Jyn and Andor were interesting characters and I could follow their motivations, and while the romance at the end was a little cliche to my tastes it didn't last long enough to annoy me. The Force Monk and...heavy gun guy on the otherhand didn't feel fleshed out at all, to the point a few minutes after their introduction I couldn't even remember their names. The Imperial Droid however was pure Gold, a really fun character and the film lost a little luster after his death.
I think one of my largest gripes is the oxymoron of how *flipping epic* the Vader scene was. I spent most of the movie wanted Vader to turn up and chase the Rebels through their caper like an unstoppable juggernaught, the exact feeling the last scene evoked. But it just didn't happen. And to me at least his lack really showed in the fact I didn't feel scared for our characters until they died and it was too late. The Stormtroopers were too damn inconsistent that during any fight with them I simply assumed our characters weren't in danger. Take the Monk for example, walking through gunfire with no cover againsted the vaunted ''Death troopers'', was simply insulting. Imho Vader would've vastly improved the film.
A few other thoughts poped into my head while watching it, small ''that doesn't make sense'' or ''why didn't they do X?'' that were distracting during the movie but only leave a mild sense of disappointment in retrospect.
It was adaquate in telling the story it wanted to tell, entertaining when it tried too be but it lacked almost any sort of tangible weight. A good fan survice movie stained by the fact it didn't survice the fans enough to distract me from the short comings. 6/10
2016/12/16 20:37:37
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
I enjoyed it for sure but the lack of threat that the stormtrooper presented kept taking me out of the film. We keep hearing how scary stormtroopers are but they just die in droves while very obviously just bumbling about like they are not aware of their surroundings. They don't come off as threatening and more or less just comical goons to be dispatched until the heroes decide they are done "fighting."
Only one movie they live up to their reputation and Emprie Strikes Back still stands as the best Star Wars movie to date without a contender.
But still its worth seeing and is easily better than Return of the Jedi and all the prequels. I liked it honestly as much as New Hope though.
2016/12/16 20:50:57
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
The stormtroopers did pretty well in a New Hope intro, considering they had to go through a small man sized hole and into a tunnel where 5-6 men had their guns pointed at the door, either that or the Alderan troopers were really badly trained.
Did the Death Troopers end up being another Captain Phasma?
Bobthehero wrote: The stormtroopers did pretty well in a New Hope intro, considering they had to go through a small man sized hole and into a tunnel where 5-6 men had their guns pointed at the door, either that or the Alderan troopers were really badly trained.
Did the Death Troopers end up being another Captain Phasma?
No, the were fairly effective.
Spoiler:
Minus the part where Donnie Yen is praying to the force and they all miss him.
2016/12/16 21:15:55
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Bobthehero wrote: The stormtroopers did pretty well in a New Hope intro, considering they had to go through a small man sized hole and into a tunnel where 5-6 men had their guns pointed at the door, either that or the Alderan troopers were really badly trained.
Did the Death Troopers end up being another Captain Phasma?
No, the were fairly effective.
Spoiler:
Minus the part where Donnie Yen is praying to the force and they all miss him.
Which is kind of the whole point.
Spoiler:
My issue with it was that it took too long to play out and robbed a lot of its tension and impact. It either needed to play out faster or he needed to take some hits along the way and have to will himself to keep going.
2016/12/16 21:37:32
Subject: Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
Bobthehero wrote: The stormtroopers did pretty well in a New Hope intro, considering they had to go through a small man sized hole and into a tunnel where 5-6 men had their guns pointed at the door, either that or the Alderan troopers were really badly trained.
Did the Death Troopers end up being another Captain Phasma?
No, the were fairly effective.
Spoiler:
Minus the part where Donnie Yen is praying to the force and they all miss him.
Which is kind of the whole point.
Spoiler:
My issue with it was that it took too long to play out and robbed a lot of its tension and impact. It either needed to play out faster or he needed to take some hits along the way and have to will himself to keep going.
Spoiler:
I agree, he should have taken a couple hits and done that. But still they did get him, and they hit Baze a couple times too. Plus they killed a few Rebel Commandos
2016/12/16 21:39:31
Subject: Re:Star Wars : Rogue One - now in theaters - pg 12 (spoilers)
It would have been far more dramatic for him to have sprinted to his goal while taking hits yet somehow still going. Achieving the objective he died, instead he just walked their. That removed the effect of tension or drama because we absolutely knew he would succeed, then he just dies because they placed the tension at the wrong moment.
He brother/friend then marches across open ground and kills the death troopers with ease after not being able to fight them off. He also dies once the tension is over, missed opportunity. He should have went out throwing the grenade with a nod to the force having guided it to its target rather than just being kablammed.
K2SO is fun but once again he just shoots stormtroopers as they use mass attrition (for an elite force) and piecemeal at that in hopes I guess to cause K2 to run out of ammo. That scene didn't sit right to me.
Then there is just scene after scene of stormtroopers bottlenecking themselves with guns at low ready being gunned down in mass. Scenes where they are just walking in open terrain, after we have had it established that stormtrooper armor is for show only. They calmly walk up to the imperial pilot character as if they are not being ambushed at every corner and predictably get ambushed and slaughtered. In fact they spend a lot of time calmly walking around during an active battle.
At no point in the movie do you feel that stormtroopers are an elite fighting force. If the SW movies want mass enemy casualties, perhaps the Imperial Army could get used for once. That way stormtroopers can be scary.
The seeming endless number of rebel troops until its time to have a finite number is odd too.
Basically I can't knock the movie for lacking a military attention to details because they are not a "war movie", really its my own fault for being unable to not have that stuff annoy me. Kids won't notice and most people without military backgrounds won't either so its not actually a big deal.
Same could be said for space combat. Its much less exciting once you know what space combat should actually look like (and BSG gave glimpses of on their limited budget).
Spoiler:
I could swear that Vader in his limited screen time killed more Rebels than the entire Imperial stormtrooper garrison on...well any of the planets really.
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Thanks for explaining. A good 7.5/10 then.
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