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My gaming group somehow got into a debate about who the strongest psyker was in the 40k universe, whether dead or alive.

A couple theories thrown around were Ezekiel, Draigo, I think someone said Sanguinius too.

Anyway, Dakka, who IS the strongest psyker, dead or alive, excluding the Emprah? (He is a psyker right? )

Magnus, macaldor both very powerful.

Far more Tha the later characters. Be higher than eldred.

Magnus, Malcador, eldrad

Lorgar and kurze after awakening their powers.

Ahriman and greater demons if counting sorcerers.

Tzeentch himself or per perhaps some legendary long dead old one / deamon. Who know but It sure isn't a space marine nor the emperror.

I imagine there are probably Weirdboyz who have been up there with the most powerful psykers - if a lot less reliable.

Worldsingers seem to be crazy powerful as well, based on the Path of the Dark Eldar books - but not exactly able to use that power to defend themselves.

Dead or Alive? Derren Brown. Assuming he isn't the big E of course.

One of the aforementioned traitor Primarchs with Magnus being the the most powerful. I don't know much about Eldrad at all, so I don't know how he compares to the Primarchs.

The --Singers of the Eldar would be powerful and so would the Weirdboiz, but I feel that --Singers would be relatively limited and the Weirdboiz would have to be on the level of Ghaz or The Beast to compare to and/or be better than Magnus.

 SixT4Pixels wrote:
My gaming group somehow got into a debate about who the strongest psyker was in the 40k universe, whether dead or alive.

A couple theories thrown around were Ezekiel, Draigo, I think someone said Sanguinius too.

Anyway, Dakka, who IS the strongest psyker, dead or alive, excluding the Emprah? (He is a psyker right? )

The Cacodominus, only the Emperor himself has a greater feat of psychic strength.

Tzeentch
..big gap..
Daemon Princes of Tzeentch
..big gap..
Magnus (when he was just a Primarch so still technically alive)
..huge gap..
Anyone else

Emperor
Magnus
Malcador (only due to frail frame not handling Golden Throne how Magnus would)
Alpha+ Psykers
Alpha Psykers in terms of raw power, Eldrad and Ahriman in terms of know-how
Daemons of Tzeentch, Tiggy, Loth, Mephiston, Grey Knight Libbies and all other ML3 units
All ML2 units
All ML1 units
Minor/latent level (Gamma-Delta) psykers
Normal human
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Any ork if they knew how their powers worked. They are technically making Yarrik and immortal when fighting the orcs.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Any ork if they knew how their powers worked. They are technically making Yarrik and immortal when fighting the orcs.

Except that's billions of Orks, not one. It's the fact that there are so many of them that makes their latent psychic effects so powerful. Individually they're weaker than a standard Sanctioned Psyker.

 fallinq wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Any ork if they knew how their powers worked. They are technically making Yarrik and immortal when fighting the orcs.

Except that's billions of Orks, not one. It's the fact that there are so many of them that makes their latent psychic effects so powerful. Individually they're weaker than a standard Sanctioned Psyker.

Yeah sorry Meant like collectively, individually, not sure. An old one maybe?

Don't buy into the humans are the best psykers ever porpganda. It is a pile of hot steamy gak. Humans includng the emperror dont come close to the real psyckick races like eldar, the old ones let alone or the pure manifestation of magic and change in the warp.

 Deadshot wrote:
Emperor
Magnus
Malcador (only due to frail frame not handling Golden Throne how Magnus would)
Alpha+ Psykers
Alpha Psykers in terms of raw power, Eldrad and Ahriman in terms of know-how
Daemons of Tzeentch, Tiggy, Loth, Mephiston, Grey Knight Libbies and all other ML3 units
All ML2 units
All ML1 units
Minor/latent level (Gamma-Delta) psykers
Normal human
Blanks

 oldzoggy wrote:
Don't buy into the humans are the best psykers ever porpganda. It is a pile of hot steamy gak. Humans includng the emperror dont come close to the real psyckick races like eldar or the old ones

 Deadshot wrote:
Emperor
Magnus
Malcador (only due to frail frame not handling Golden Throne how Magnus would)
Alpha+ Psykers
Alpha Psykers in terms of raw power, Eldrad and Ahriman in terms of know-how
Daemons of Tzeentch, Tiggy, Loth, Mephiston, Grey Knight Libbies and all other ML3 units
All ML2 units
All ML1 units
Minor/latent level (Gamma-Delta) psykers
Normal human
Blanks

Well, Lorgar is a powerful latent psyker, when his powers awoke he was strong enough (quoting ADB's Betrayer here) "pull a Thunderhawk from the air using pure spite." The Emperor forced him and 100,000 Astartes to their knees simply by showing up. He is the most powerful psyker we've seen, including Eldar and Old Ones, powerful enough to combat the Chaos Gods.

Quite frankly, I do consider humans are better psykers than Eldar. Eldar to me are like holding a rapid-firing missile launchers and an itchy trigger finger. You have a lot of power in easy reach, but if you start using it you'll start fething stuff up fast. They are more powerful but raw, and have to exercise strict control to avoid destroying everything. When they focus however its devastating.

Humans are not as directly powerful but still have great power and do not require as strict control, more like an M16 than a bazooka. They can't nuke planets with their minds, but they also aren't going to nuke a planet when they stub their toe and get angry.

 fallinq wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Any ork if they knew how their powers worked. They are technically making Yarrik and immortal when fighting the orcs.

Except that's billions of Orks, not one. It's the fact that there are so many of them that makes their latent psychic effects so powerful. Individually they're weaker than a standard Sanctioned Psyker.

Billions of orks may sustain Yarrick, but trillions of humans collectively sustain* the chaos pantheon.

*okay, they may receive help from other races, especially with the young god!

Well, the Emperor was only as powerful as a low-powered Farseer, so a lot of them.

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Well, the Emperor was only as powerful as a low-powered Farseer, so a lot of them.

and your source for that is?

There are also the White Seers of the Black Library to consider - being completely immune to Chaos must be quite the advantage when it comes to putting out psychic power.

BrianDavion wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Well, the Emperor was only as powerful as a low-powered Farseer, so a lot of them.

and your source for that is?

Not trying to sound like a gakker, but I don't think (s)he has one.


@JustALittleOrkish - I'm not 100% I'd agree with putting a Daemon Prince of Tzeench so far ahead of Magnus pre-Heresy, but they are definitely more powerful. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to think that Magnus' psykic potential pre-Heresy would match that of the least powerful Daemon Princes of Tzeench.

 IllumiNini wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:
Well, the Emperor was only as powerful as a low-powered Farseer, so a lot of them.

and your source for that is?

Not trying to sound like a gakker, but I don't think (s)he has one.


@JustALittleOrkish - I'm not 100% I'd agree with putting a Daemon Prince of Tzeench so far ahead of Magnus pre-Heresy, but they are definitely more powerful. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch to think that Magnus' psykic potential pre-Heresy would match that of the least powerful Daemon Princes of Tzeench.

There was a quote in what I believe was the 3rd ed Eldar codex where an Eldar, presumably talking to a human, referred to how Eldrad tried to warn "That weakling seer you call Emperor" about the Horus Heresy. That may be what they're referring to.

 Robin5t wrote:
There was a quote in what I believe was the 3rd ed Eldar codex where an Eldar, presumably talking to a human, referred to how Eldrad tried to warn "That weakling seer you call Emperor" about the Horus Heresy. That may be what they're referring to.

Maybe. I guess we'll find out when they post again.

Back on Point:

That weakling seer you call Emperor

That quote may simply have been an insult. Furthermore, the use of the word weakling may not necessarily refer to The Emperor's psykic powers, but more so to do with something else. But without further information, I can't say that my evaluation of that quote is any less accurate than DarknessEternal's.

Nevertheless, it feels counter-intuitive to say that a vast majority of the Farseers are more powerful than The Emperor. One may be on par, if not more powerful, but that would be a very lonely case.

I think the quote was just the typical Eldar jab about how superior they are, to be honest. It's hardly an unbiased source.

Eldar Psykers are far more powerful and skilled than Human psykers in general, but the Emperor was powerful enough to make the Chaos Gods sit up and take notice. If every Farseer was more powerful than him, they wouldn't have to worry about Slaanesh, they could just get five or so Farseers together to wipe it out of existence.

Magnus the Red would be your answer, with Malcador, Eldrad and Ahriman below him.


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 JustALittleOrkish wrote:
Tzeentch
..big gap..
Daemon Princes of Tzeentch
..big gap..
Magnus (when he was just a Primarch so still technically alive)
..huge gap..
Anyone else

Magnus was by far more powerful than any other DP of Tzeentch even before he was one himself.

One of the Old ones

I love how even 1d4 chan thinks that making this list is stupid ; )

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Psyker

I would rate Hive Queens very highly frankly, IMHO more than even Magnus.

 Orlanth wrote:
I would rate Hive Queens very highly frankly, IMHO more than even Magnus.

are hive queens, or for that matter any tyranids, really psykers at all? at least in the style of the rest of the galaxy? I see them more as psykers as we see them today, massively powerful psychic powers from their brain rather than from tapping into the warp

It's probably fair to say the Old Ones were more powerful then the Emperor was in life. On the other hand the Old Ones were in a totally different environment to the God Emperor during the reclimation, the Chaos Gods weren't even a thing until the latter half of the War in Heaven. So while the Old Ones almost undoubtedly wielded more power than the God Emperor their power came without any catches, clauses or colossal daemon spawn.

After the Emperor it would have to be Magnus. I remember reading somewhere that the Primarchs aren't just made of fancy biological engineering but their souls came from the Warp, possibly as entities given form or possibly formed by the Emperor himself. Either way, Magnus is on a whole different level to the likes of Ahriman, Eldrad or any other named characters. Like wise those named characters aren't on the same level as Alpha + Psykers, but they don't tend to live long enough to become fan favourites.

Tzeentch himself doesn't count as he is a god.
But Greater Daemons of Tzeentch certainly would be the most powerful psykers in the galaxy.
After that it would probably be Eldrad, then Magnus, then Malcador and then Lorgar.


Tyranids also don't count imo, because they are not individuals.