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So I was browsing around this forum and it occurred to me. We don't really know how powerful Malal was before the HH, and as far as we can tell some amount of time before it anarchy spread throughout the galaxy via warpstorms and stuff.

Could this have been the victory of Malal in the Warp, and he promptly did his thing and caused the collapse of the Golden Age? If he's the god of both Chaos and disbelief, then the Golden Age of humanity would have made him powerful, right? Perhaps the most powerful, since (At least I can't imagine that) most people would have believed in any god at all. If he achieved victory in the warp, and then was beatin' on the other chaos gods, perhaps that's the reason they hate each other. Also, in causing the collapse of the golden age, humanity reverted back to believing in whatever and gave the other gods a chance to infringe on his territory, so to speak.

Sort of the same type of scenario that the Cabal had in store for humanity, an ultimate victory, followed by a burning out. After this since the Emperor went to Molech to acquire his power, I propose that the Emperor acquired the entirety (Or vast majority of) Malal's remaining power and that's why he's so weak in the warp today and also why the Emperor was goin' around spreading disbelief in gods like back in the good old days.

This would explain why the Emperor was able to blow up Horus so utterly even after he was mortally wounded, and why Malal hates the other gods (Because they usurped him in the warp after he won) and at least partially why the Imperial Truth was a thing. It was a last ditch attempt for Malal to give the finger to the other gods. Also from other snapshots in other books apparently there is 'something terrible' that the Emperor has hidden within himself, that only psykers really see when they make physical contact with him. (There was a fellow. I don't remember what his name was. I think it might have been John Grammaticus, or the Skjald from Prospero Burns where it's mentioned.)

Or maybe I am just a madman with some dumb headcanon. But that's my theory, and I don't know how much merit it holds. It kind of all hinges on Malal also getting a boost from when nobody believes in gods.

Malal is no longer canon. The guy who owned the rights took Malal with him when he left.

Malal is not canon.

Animus wrote:
Malal is not canon.

 Shadow Walker wrote:
Malal is no longer canon. The guy who owned the rights took Malal with him when he left.

Not entirely true

Malal, yes is no longer canon, but all GW did was change his name to Malice

Which Malice may or may not exist, because he does definitely does not not make an appearance sort of once not really.... <.<

The only think making malice canon (formally malal) is one comic from back in the 80s and the warriors of malice which have never appeared in fluff iirc but GW still counts them as a chaos chapter.

The best way to describe malal is a god that only becomes more powerful if things start to sway out of balance. He is basicly the ref, which it comes to the eternal game played between the chaos god, he makes sure one god does not over throw the others, from my understanding of it.

EDIT: I stand corrected, The 'SONS' not warriors, The sons of Malice do make an apperance in warhammer lore back in the early days, like 2nd editions time

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Malal, yes is no longer canon, but all GW did was change his name to Malice

Malice is reference to Malal, but not Malal.
He's not a god proper, and really doesn't even behave all that like Malal.

also warriors of malice doesn't nesscarily imply they're following this legendary 5th chaos god, it sounds like the typical emo punk band name type you see from a lot of chaos warbands

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Malal, yes is no longer canon, but all GW did was change his name to Malice

Malice is reference to Malal, but not Malal.
He's not a god proper, and really doesn't even behave all that like Malal.

No malal and malice are the same malal translates into malice though in a couple of languages, he is not a proper god I'll give you that.

He is a lesser God, still note worthy. Sons of malice though directly follow him, that was confirmed in the 2002 csm codex

He is just the forgotten child lol

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Malal, yes is no longer canon, but all GW did was change his name to Malice

Malice is reference to Malal, but not Malal.
He's not a god proper, and really doesn't even behave all that like Malal.

No malal and malice are the same malal translates into malice though in a couple of languages, he is not a proper god I'll give you that.

He is a lesser God, still note worthy. Sons of malice though directly follow him, that was confirmed in the 2002 csm codex

He is just the forgotten child lol

a 15 year old codex is pretty out of date

BrianDavion wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Malal, yes is no longer canon, but all GW did was change his name to Malice

Malice is reference to Malal, but not Malal.
He's not a god proper, and really doesn't even behave all that like Malal.

No malal and malice are the same malal translates into malice though in a couple of languages, he is not a proper god I'll give you that.

He is a lesser God, still note worthy. Sons of malice though directly follow him, that was confirmed in the 2002 csm codex

He is just the forgotten child lol

a 15 year old codex is pretty out of date

i agree its out of date, but i still belive its canon, unless there is a rule that says the most updated content covering it is the new canon.

Sooo.. What you're all saying is that Malal 'no longer exists' because he's been trapped somewhere. Like.. In a corpse on a throne somewhere or something.

I'm pretty sure Malal is in cahoots with the Oldcrons and their C'Tan masters.

Is there any love for Nicoho and Zuvaissin? I've seen them mentioned here and there in the fluff.

Sicarioos wrote:
Sooo.. What you're all saying is that Malal 'no longer exists' because he's been trapped somewhere. Like.. In a corpse on a throne somewhere or something.

It's best to think of it this way, he may or may not exist sorta kinda not really but yes.

He is still canon, but no one ever writes about him. Because of this, my own personal head canon is he is a god that draws his power from people talking about him, sorta like fready Kruger, the more you think about him, the more powerful he is.

He is the 40k version of the horned rat, not quite a god of chaos, but still a very powerful dark entity.

If you are suggesting he is trapped on the golden throne, with the emperor, would make for a very interesting story that's for sure

 Backspacehacker wrote:

Sicarioos wrote:
Sooo.. What you're all saying is that Malal 'no longer exists' because he's been trapped somewhere. Like.. In a corpse on a throne somewhere or something.

It's best to think of it this way, he may or may not exist sorta kinda not really but yes.

He is still canon, but no one ever writes about him. Because of this, my own personal head canon is he is a god that draws his power from people talking about him, sorta like fready Kruger, the more you think about him, the more powerful he is.

He is the 40k version of the horned rat, not quite a god of chaos, but still a very powerful dark entity.

If you are suggesting he is trapped on the golden throne, with the emperor, would make for a very interesting story that's for sure

Well I was kinda suggesting that the Emperor basically became or ate Malal when he went to Molech. I was unaware that he is not really canon anymore. I'm sad about this... I guess my theory doesn't really work if the god in question never existed in the first place. Thanks O- .. GW.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

No malal and malice are the same malal translates into malice though in a couple of languages, he is not a proper god I'll give you that.

He is a lesser God, still note worthy. Sons of malice though directly follow him, that was confirmed in the 2002 csm codex

He is just the forgotten child lol

Malaal is Urdu and means grief. Doesn't matter though, as this is English.
I never refuted that the Sons of Malice follow Malice, but Malice is not Malal. He's a reference to Malal but does not occupy the space Malal once had in the Warhammer Fantasy setting.
Malal is not forgotten, he just cannot be used due to legal reasons.

Animus wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

No malal and malice are the same malal translates into malice though in a couple of languages, he is not a proper god I'll give you that.

He is a lesser God, still note worthy. Sons of malice though directly follow him, that was confirmed in the 2002 csm codex

He is just the forgotten child lol

Malaal is Urdu and means grief. Doesn't matter though, as this is English.
I never refuted that the Sons of Malice follow Malice, but Malice is not Malal. He's a reference to Malal but does not occupy the space Malal once had in the Warhammer Fantasy setting.
Malal is not forgotten, he just cannot be used due to legal reasons.

I know Malal cant, thats why they just renamed him to Malice. Malice is Malal, in the 40k world. Malal was originally in warhammer.

I agree he is not talked about anymore because honestly GW probably does not want to dodge that legal bullet of saying well nuh uh, its malice, not malal, basically the exact same disagreement we are having. You are aruging the GW case of, they are totally different, im arguing the other side which is they are one and the same.

Well I was kinda suggesting that the Emperor basically became or ate Malal when he went to Molech. I was unaware that he is not really canon anymore. I'm sad about this... I guess my theory doesn't really work if the god in question never existed in the first place. Thanks O- .. GW.

He is canon, he just got shoved into a corner, because its the fine line of do we really want to start a law suit. And trust me, if you follow GW, there is one thing they are REALLY good at, and thats having a powerful blood thirsty legal team.

 Backspacehacker wrote:


He is canon, he just got shoved into a corner, because its the fine line of do we really want to start a law suit. And trust me, if you follow GW, there is one thing they are REALLY good at, and thats having a powerful blood thirsty legal team.

They have pretty inept legal advice actually. When it comes to things like copyright.

Malal wasn't shoved into a corner, he just hasn't been mentioned. Malice is probably loosely based upon an idea of Malal but not of Malal.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:


He is canon, he just got shoved into a corner, because its the fine line of do we really want to start a law suit. And trust me, if you follow GW, there is one thing they are REALLY good at, and thats having a powerful blood thirsty legal team.

They have pretty inept legal advice actually. When it comes to things like copyright.

Malal wasn't shoved into a corner, he just hasn't been mentioned. Malice is probably loosely based upon an idea of Malal but not of Malal.

Never said they were good, just powerful and blood thirsty lol

But i would honestly say Malice is so close to malal, it might as well be him. One interesting theory i read, on 1d4chan so take that for what its worth. Is that Malal/malice, is kinda like doctor who, he manafests as diffrent gods, boiled down he is the chaos god of pure chaos. But each time he comes back as a different form and causes chaos in that way, most interesting was Zuvassin.

Which was just pure wtf chaos. IE going into a battle, and both side leaving with more troops then they started. things like that.

He is, where Nehoco and Zuvassin are? IP-limbo.
And yeah, thats too sad.