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Thank you for posting those.

I am not sold on the Grymkin at this stage. They look kinda shabby. I know those are just rough concept sketches but...not feeling the vibe.

https://www.youtube.com/user/TrevytheGreat/videos

4 nice videos explaining most of the bigger changes in the core rules.

The sea king is doing nothing for me. It just tries to hard but fails spectacularly in the end. Specially dislike the scale issues, like tiny caravel with huge anchor and ridiculous big barnacles.

Nothing saves this one and its kind of embarrassing.


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 AduroT wrote:

Henshini wrote:
How much would all the cards in paper cost by comparison?

Iirc it's $220 plus whatever Convergence costs.

I don't do digital so that would be the price plus rulebook?

I really like the Sea King on the other hand.

I think it kinda looks good.

Im still upset that there is a whole faction without a single Gargantuan and another one is "close" to its THIRD.

Colour me interested in the pumpkin head faction.

Schmapdi wrote:
So the new rulebooks are out as free .pdfs

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?252634-Soooooo-bout-dem-new-rules&p=3560006&viewfull=1#post3560006

Thanks for that

Where can I see more pics/info on the new faction, it is called the "Grymkin"?

No one knows. PPs "keynote" yesterday was a big missed chance :(

So Kallus seems to have turned into a centaur or gained a mount, and Madrak off and joined the Warders?

Or maybe that new troll is a Warder UA to bring them back to their former glory?

They keep flashing enough new models I may start to forget about that whole online parasite business...

 .Mikes. wrote:
Colour me interested in the pumpkin head faction.

Same here!

Love them pumpkin headed minis!

I've also got problems with the boat/anchor/etc. scale issues on the Sea King - but since I don't collect Trolls, ultimately it is no big deal!

I was *this* close to selling off my Khador stuff - but with MK3 rules being free, I think I'll stick around for a while longer...

I've heard it was said by a Europe staffer that the new faction are called Hollow Men.

Grymkin/Hollow Men has the potential to be really cool, but also the potential to be really cheesy.

Mantic pulled it of well.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Theme force video:

I'm not sure what I think of this. In Mk. II we had a supplement for each faction containing stats, rules, fluff and Tier Lists. It sounds like in Mk.III We are going to have a "Commander" book for each faction and one or more "Theme" books for each faction with special lists, too? They did say something about releasing new models to go with each Theme book, so I guess that would be a good thing. The bad thing would be needing(?) to buy multiple books for each of your forces.

What are other people thinking about this?

Really doesn't matter if you use War Room. The books are nice for the fluff and to keep at home.

Alpharius wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
Colour me interested in the pumpkin head faction.

Same here!

Love them pumpkin headed minis!

I've also got problems with the boat/anchor/etc. scale issues on the Sea King - but since I don't collect Trolls, ultimately it is no big deal!

I was *this* close to selling off my Khador stuff - but with MK3 rules being free, I think I'll stick around for a while longer...

I'm not sure about Pumpkin Heads - I mean, I'll need to see a lot more than 3 sketches ... but from that teaser they kinda feel like a Circle/Cryx hybrid. The Sea King I mostly like - and I don't see any scale issues - he at some point picked up an Anchor from a big boat to use as a weapon, and he wears a smaller boat for a hat. That said, I hope the boat-hat is easily left off and the area underneath detailed enough - because I'm not sure I like the boat hat. If the boat hat were to become a howdah for some pygs though ....

mdauben wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Theme force video:

I'm not sure what I think of this. In Mk. II we had a supplement for each faction containing stats, rules, fluff and Tier Lists. It sounds like in Mk.III We are going to have a "Commander" book for each faction and one or more "Theme" books for each faction with special lists, too? They did say something about releasing new models to go with each Theme book, so I guess that would be a good thing. The bad thing would be needing(?) to buy multiple books for each of your forces.

What are other people thinking about this?

The Cephylax theme force in the main rulebook is pretty interesting - better than the normal +2 to deployment zone. - so if other theme forces follow suite, and the books are fairly cheap (in my head - I picture them as only being like 20 pages long) I'm all for it. It will lead to fluffier armies in WM/Hordes - which is always where my interests have been.

Schmapdi wrote:
So the new rulebooks are out as free .pdfs

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?252634-Soooooo-bout-dem-new-rules&p=3560006&viewfull=1#post3560006

Uhm. It's more than 4 pages.

RoninXiC wrote:No one knows. PPs "keynote" yesterday was a big missed chance :(

The "keynote" was such a disappointment. I don't know what they were thinking. This is a launch of a new edition and that's what you do? I feel sorry for anyone on the east coast who stayed up to watch it.

east coast?
People in Europe stayed awake ... it aired at 5 o clock in the middle of the night...

 mdauben wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Theme force video:

I'm not sure what I think of this. In Mk. II we had a supplement for each faction containing stats, rules, fluff and Tier Lists. It sounds like in Mk.III We are going to have a "Commander" book for each faction and one or more "Theme" books for each faction with special lists, too? They did say something about releasing new models to go with each Theme book, so I guess that would be a good thing. The bad thing would be needing(?) to buy multiple books for each of your forces.

What are other people thinking about this?

The books are going to be basically for the fluff heads, as the theme forces and models are already going to be on cards (for the models only) and Warroom. I think it will be pretty good actually, as it means that they can explore the fluff on a factions themes far more in-depth for those who want to know, while not actually costing those who just want to play the game any more (so it's not like 40k expansions). I imagine the theme books will be somewhat similar to the smaller Cephalyx book.

 Maddermax wrote:
The books are going to be basically for the fluff heads, as the theme forces and models are already going to be on cards (for the models only) and Warroom.

My understanding from the video is that the "Theme" lists are going to be something like the Mk.II "Tier" lists, in that you are limited to certain options and if your force includes certain options you get benefits. Are you saying that this list-building information is going to be on the cards?

I'm a bit out of the loop, too. What exactly is in the "Warroom" app? Is it just electronic copies of the cards, or does it include digital copies of the books, too?

I think it will be pretty good actually, as it means that they can explore the fluff on a factions themes far more in-depth for those who want to know, while not actually costing those who just want to play the game any more (so it's not like 40k expansions).

I'm not sure how that's different from the old Faction books. There's nothing in those that you need to play the game, its all on the cards. The Faction books just give you more fluff and the Tier lists to do themed forces.

I mean, I'll probably buy all the books for the armies I collect. I'm just curious what we are getting from each product.

Thanks!

The War Room 2 app does indeed have the rules, in addition to the cards. Unfortunately you have to pay for the cards, but the rules are free, there's even a PDF of them that PP have posted separately here:

Schmapdi wrote:
So the new rulebooks are out as free .pdfs

http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?252634-Soooooo-bout-dem-new-rules&p=3560006&viewfull=1#post3560006

I think the app is greatly improved and am going to try actually playing with it instead of the cards, and just having the cards on hand as reference

I meant that the physical cards have only the models, but War Room has both the models and theme forces included if you buy the deck for the appropriate army. Or at least it *will* have the theme forces, once they become available.

So yes, it's going to be pretty much the same as the Faction books are currently, but back when the MK2 faction books came out War Room wasn't a thing, so buying the book was the only way to get all the theme forces and new model stats. Since that isn't a concern anymore, it'll be mostly for people who like the fluff, or who like physical references.

There's an example of the new theme forces on P94 of the rules PDF as well, just FYI.

 mdauben wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Theme force video:

I'm not sure what I think of this. In Mk. II we had a supplement for each faction containing stats, rules, fluff and Tier Lists. It sounds like in Mk.III We are going to have a "Commander" book for each faction and one or more "Theme" books for each faction with special lists, too? They did say something about releasing new models to go with each Theme book, so I guess that would be a good thing. The bad thing would be needing(?) to buy multiple books for each of your forces.

What are other people thinking about this?

The commander books will be Casters, jacks and generic utility units plus fluff. Each Theme list will be its own book.

So I play circle, so I will have to buy a commander book, plus a Blackclad book, plus a Wolf sworn book, plus a Tharn book

the theme books are actually sub-faction books

Full Madrak3 art:


And full (very blurry) art and (blurry) model for Sovreign Tristan Durant:




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Oh plus new Farrow Commandos and resculpted Brigands:

While they're a slight improvement over the current brigands (and look quite beefy, which is cool) still not really a fan.

It's a shame that PP's metals and characters can look So awesome (that brigand warlord model on the right) and their PVC units don't come close. Very glad Wehrkind converted mine! (from GW gor kits, with slaughterhouser heads)

Also, until PP put in more than 2.5 sculpts for a 10man unit (not counting the unit leader) I'm never going to be buying many of their units, and will continue to convert for them instead!

I don't really see much difference between the Brigands and the Warlord personally! They're a big improvement over the metal ones, which I didn't really mind anyway.

I like the Protectorate caster from the blurry pic too.

The differences look to me to be mostly driven by the material (which is why I think most of their PVC sculpts are poor) in that they need exaggerated features / not have fine detail. Compare the size of the Warlord's details (particularly the head) to the unit.

And you're right, the original brigands were metal but just very dated sculpts. And obviously, metal can't make up for repeat sculpts (I've got a 20-strong unit of shamblers with 3 sculpts although bending them around a bit helped!).

Anyway, don't want to rain on anyone's parade, they're certainly an improvement... I just hope people can convert up the poses a bit!

 .Mikes. wrote:

 AduroT wrote:

Who wore it better?

I think his name is not Michael, but rather Terry.

I really do like the Protectorate characters and Warjacks but can never really get into their infantry. I have a huge Protectorate army but not liking the infantry just kills it for me.

I have my Mercs and have always like Khador so it may be new edition new army time for me.