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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider





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The Tau Supremacy suit recently became the subject of debate in my local "meta". It was contended that it's the Tau equivalent of the Warhound titan, in terms of firepower and that it was about much ... fun to play against.

Now FW doesn't class it as a titan on their page but i was curious, do you think it's a titan (equivalent)?
   
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Definitely the equivalent of a titan. It has the rules of GC (idiotically) but functionally it is the same if not more durable by just not having to deal with AV.

I would say it is a bit overcosted in the firepower department compared to the Warhound, but it is 150 points cheaper and is able to ignore one Deathblow result.

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It's not a Titan, just like a tyranid harradrin isn't.
It's and equivalent though. It dwarves the stormsurge, packs much more firepower and far harder to kill, and in general it plays like a titan.
It's just technically not one, but only technically.

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It is a GMC. Its basically a titan. a GMC is toa titan as a MC is to a walker.

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 Xerics wrote:
It is a GMC. Its basically a titan. a GMC is toa titan as a MC is to a walker.

Which is to say it's better then Titans in all regards.

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Usually titan vs GMC doesn't matter too much. D weapons don't discriminate. They destroy everything equally...

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I honestly don't get why Tau stuff ends up as a MC/GMC but other races equivalents end up as vehicles.

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 angelofvengeance wrote:
I honestly don't get why Tau stuff ends up as a MC/GMC but other races equivalents end up as vehicles.

Because MC/GMCs are better and GW wants stuff to sell well?

Other than that, it may be an extention of XV8s (and 9s) being creatures. It actually makes sense with them, however. Anything riptide or bigger should really be a walker/SHW, unless it is actually flesh & blood (& chitin).


It's just a pity walkers are so bad.

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I don't think there's that much logic to it. Look at the gorkanaut for a counter example.
   
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I played against one on Sunday. I brought my Guard and a Shadowsword. He brought his Tau with one these Supremacy suits.

It was basically "which Superheavy is going to kill the other first".

That Supremacy Suit put out a lot of firepower. He fired the D weapon(s) (?) against the Shadowsword, plinking it down each turn. I fired the Volcano Cannon against him, but had terrible luck. The other weapons were almost useless (or much more useful against other targets) against each other.

It's got this "Negate half the wounds from a 6 result on the D table" rule that makes it really, really tough.

So we just traded fire with our main guns, and then shot at the rest of the army with our secondary weapons.

It was tough, but I don't think it was overpowered, especially since I had a superheavy as well.
   
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Yes it's a titan, and yes the Harridan is a titan too, bio titan to be exact, while the Harridan should have a t value, the tuna shouldn't, it's a vehicle in all but rules, if the ky'tan is a vehicle, so is the tuna.
   
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 Xerics wrote:
It is a GMC. Its basically a titan. a GMC is toa titan as a MC is to a walker.


I'm not sure i'm ok with all Gargantuan Creatures being considered titans. The Stormsurge is a great counter example, since it's low Toughness value and "poor" save options (3+ with no invulnerable) make it much "softer" than a T9, 2+ beast

The Harridan and the Wraithknight are on the edge in my mind. High Toughness but again, marginal saves (relative to other "Titans") but also limited damage output at range. It's interesting that FW includes the "Warp Spider" Wraithknight as a Titan on their website.
   
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I would say it's definitely a Titan in the same sort of mold as the Warhound and Revenant (though interestingly filling the sort of role you'd expect from the Reaver, Warlord and Phantom though not matching them for size or firepower).

It'd be intersting to see if Forgeworld decide to do anything bigger for the Tau. With the seemingly imposed limit of 10 wounds it's still a GC can easily be one-shotted by the bigger Titans wheres even a Reaver can survive at least one 6 on the D table.
   
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Oh with how mega popular the Supremacy Armor was there WILL be more Tau titans. It sold out for months. Was in higher demand than any other Titan. The Tau are quite quickly becoming one of the games premier and most favored factions at least of the minor factions. I'm working on finishing up my last few projects then going to order one as soon as I humanly can.

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Well, only natural it saw it most demand. All other titans are ancient on comparison, and people who wanted them had them, while tau only had superheavies that are utter junk gamewise until now.

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The Hierodule, Stormsurge and Wraithknight are 'Knight' class superheavies.

The Supremacy Suit definitely tips the scales into 'Titan' territory.


wheres even a Reaver can survive at least one 6 on the D table.


So can a supremacy suit. The shield tanks the first Deathblow hit before collapsing, and it'll lose maybe 4-5 wounds from it.


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 Gamgee wrote:
Oh with how mega popular the Supremacy Armor was there WILL be more Tau titans. It sold out for months. Was in higher demand than any other Titan. The Tau are quite quickly becoming one of the games premier and most favored factions at least of the minor factions. I'm working on finishing up my last few projects then going to order one as soon as I humanly can.


Hurray. Even more overpowered GMCs.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
Oh with how mega popular the Supremacy Armor was there WILL be more Tau titans. It sold out for months. Was in higher demand than any other Titan. The Tau are quite quickly becoming one of the games premier and most favored factions at least of the minor factions. I'm working on finishing up my last few projects then going to order one as soon as I humanly can.


Hurray. Even more overpowered GMCs.

In a tournament that used base 40k with zero faqs or house rules and allowed any list combination possible and all the rules as written in core no Tau list with a Supremacy armor made it into the top 50. Grav spam was their downfall in the meta. They are good but Grav really halts them in place badly. If your opponent brings a super heavy I would say they are relatively balanced all things considered. Again some armies can handle one better than another.

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I killed a supremacy suit in three turns with four Invisible centurions, then mopped up the rest of his army.

Math said I should've done it in 2. He made a lot of 4+ invulnerable saves.

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The Ordinatus Ulator can one-shot it - it's one of the only guns in the game that can actually kill it in one single shot.

I've done it.
   
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How does the Ulator one shot it? SD hits it, you get a 6, the most you can do is 6 wounds. Unless Instant Death gets D3 wounds for every wound caused by a D shot, but, that would be more for ymdc...

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 Crazyterran wrote:
How does the Ulator one shot it? SD hits it, you get a 6, the most you can do is 6 wounds. Unless Instant Death gets D3 wounds for every wound caused by a D shot, but, that would be more for ymdc...


I'd read it as: Destroyer table gives D6+6 wounds on a deathblow result plus instant death for another D3 wounds. Unless I'm missing something somewhere.

Edit: Forgot the barrier shield, so it'd be what, 7-8 wounds on a high roll?

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It does d3 wound per wound, as each wound has the Instant Death special rule; at least, that is how my local area ruled it. So if you do; say, 4 wounds on a bad deathblow result, then you get 4d3 more wounds, which on average does 8 - for a total of 12 wounds.


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 angelofvengeance wrote:
I honestly don't get why Tau stuff ends up as a MC/GMC but other races equivalents end up as vehicles.


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If it can work on GMCs, then yes.

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As far as I am aware vehicles are the only thing it doesnt work on.

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 Gamgee wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
 Gamgee wrote:
Oh with how mega popular the Supremacy Armor was there WILL be more Tau titans. It sold out for months. Was in higher demand than any other Titan. The Tau are quite quickly becoming one of the games premier and most favored factions at least of the minor factions. I'm working on finishing up my last few projects then going to order one as soon as I humanly can.


Hurray. Even more overpowered GMCs.

In a tournament that used base 40k with zero faqs or house rules and allowed any list combination possible and all the rules as written in core no Tau list with a Supremacy armor made it into the top 50. Grav spam was their downfall in the meta. They are good but Grav really halts them in place badly. If your opponent brings a super heavy I would say they are relatively balanced all things considered. Again some armies can handle one better than another.

Grav really does eat them up - even more so than SHWs.

If the vehicle rules get fixed so that grav spam isn't the best answer to GMCs and vehicles then it might start to get interesting.

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