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 Tamereth wrote:
So if I want a Dakka jet guess I need to order now before it gets replaced by a more expensive kit with the extra bits?

Both the Stormtalon and the Dakkajet have been removed from the most recent order forms so yes, if you want to get them from a store get them fast as it is no longer possible to order them.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So if I want a Dakka jet guess I need to order now before it gets replaced by a more expensive kit with the extra bits?

Both the Stormtalon and the Dakkajet have been removed from the most recent order forms so yes, if you want to get them from a store get them fast as it is no longer possible to order them.

Them being removed from the most recent order forms for independents doesn't mean that they're going away entirely, now does it?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wulfson_40K wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So if I want a Dakka jet guess I need to order now before it gets replaced by a more expensive kit with the extra bits?

Both the Stormtalon and the Dakkajet have been removed from the most recent order forms so yes, if you want to get them from a store get them fast as it is no longer possible to order them.

Them being removed from the most recent order forms for independents doesn't mean that they're going away entirely, now does it?

No but it means they are being removed (EDIT- or shall I say no longer available for order) from both Independents and GW own stores, at least for now.

So best scenario, they are actually not removed for good but repackaged and will come back at a later date in a new shiny box to be sold alongside the new ones. Half good/half bad scenario, when your stores sell all of their remaining stocks you can still get them on their website at full rrp. Worst scenario they are also dropped from the website when the new boxes are released.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I'm hoping you can also engage FMC's while they are in reserve during the dogfight. Would be cool to follow a FMC off the board in order to dogfight it dead.

Only if there's suitable risk to yourself for doing so. Otherwise you've pretty much just gone and thrown Tyranids on the trash heap next to CSM in terms of viability.

The entire game has been stinking on the trash heap for a while now. This will not be the straw the breaks the camels back. The camel has been long dead. Instead, there is a chance these might be interesting and fun rules for casual players to use in their games, which is all 40K can possibly be right now anyway - a casual for-funsies game.

Time to enjoy the wave of false hope that the Dark Eldar will get a new... I was going to say flyer but really anything would be nice.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
there is a chance these might be interesting and fun rules for casual players to use in their games, which is all 40K can possibly be right now anyway - a casual for-funsies game.

Because god forbid anyone have fun.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Wulfson_40K wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So if I want a Dakka jet guess I need to order now before it gets replaced by a more expensive kit with the extra bits?

Both the Stormtalon and the Dakkajet have been removed from the most recent order forms so yes, if you want to get them from a store get them fast as it is no longer possible to order them.

Them being removed from the most recent order forms for independents doesn't mean that they're going away entirely, now does it?

No but it means they are being removed (EDIT- or shall I say no longer available for order) from both Independents and GW own stores, at least for now.

GW's own stores don't "order" anything. If something sells, it gets restocked. If it isn't going to get restocked then it's been given a "Direct Only" tag on the webstore.

So best scenario, they are actually not removed for good but repackaged and will come back at a later date in a new shiny box to be sold alongside the new ones. Half good/half bad scenario, when your stores sell all of their remaining stocks you can still get them on their website at full rrp. Worst scenario they are also dropped from the website when the new boxes are released.

Both of which are not the same as what your post implies; which is "once they're gone they're never coming back".

It might seem needlessly nitpicky, but some of your postings before have been the cause of some people thinking they need to "panic buy" things.

 awbbie wrote:
Time to enjoy the wave of false hope that the Dark Eldar will get a new... I was going to say flyer but really anything would be nice.

Some anti-air and D weapons would be nice. If the DE can abduct entire planets, they can sure as hell pack some decent fire power.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 awbbie wrote:
Time to enjoy the wave of false hope that the Dark Eldar will get a new... I was going to say flyer but really anything would be nice.

Some anti-air and D weapons would be nice. If the DE can abduct entire planets, they can sure as hell pack some decent fire power.

I am hoping the same for Blood Angels and Grey Knights. When the only AA/flyer I have is in the form of a 200 pt bullet magnet, I can't imagine I will have a good time with this Dogfight nonsense.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 awbbie wrote:
Time to enjoy the wave of false hope that the Dark Eldar will get a new... I was going to say flyer but really anything would be nice.

Some anti-air and D weapons would be nice. If the DE can abduct entire planets, they can sure as hell pack some decent fire power.

Considering the blurb puts the Razorwing at the highest Agility value, I think that they'll be packing some nastiness when it comes to aerial combat.

Don't think this one's been posted yet:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Don't think this one's been posted yet:

Spoiler:

It hasn't as far as I know. Good pull.

That sounds a lot like attack/bombers are going to trade skyfire for ignore cover.

How and what things get classed as could be quite irritating. My talon/raven are the primary form of dealing with other flyers in my collection. Having to get the new kit for an AA bird would be irritating.

Ooh that's interesting.

Less skyfire... huh.

I also just read the WD page about the dogfighting with the tables and stuff.
It sounds a lot like the old rules from the expansion with the random tables removed, allowing you to choose what to do (since it says it's a bluffing game and you can choose X. Before you couldn't choose at all you just rolled on the appropriate table depending if you were an Attacker or Defender.)

In all I'm cautiously optimistic. It doesn't look like a total turd yet.

 Nevelon wrote:
That sounds a lot like attack/bombers are going to trade skyfire for ignore cover.

How and what things get classed as could be quite irritating. My talon/raven are the primary form of dealing with other flyers in my collection. Having to get the new kit for an AA bird would be irritating.

Indeed. In the case of my Blood Angels, the Stormraven is the only form of Skyfire there is. Period.

Well its a good thing skyfire is readily available in my Necron and Dark Angels armies....oh wait....its not. I'm predicting the nightscythe will become an attack craft and the doomscythe will become a bomber. Or the nightscythe will become a fighter and the doomscythe an attack craft. The Dark Angels will gain two perfectly useless fighter and bomber and Space Marines will continue to gain flyers that nobody seems to have told the descendents of the 1st legion that there is all these new vehicles that have been always a part of the book of strategies and tactics they were given at chapterhood.

So are we going to see a lot more skyfire in 8th edition? This going to be one of those things right were we all say this will all make more sense with the next edition. An then all the people who go ham on flyers because they are OP find out they are terrible with the new edition. This is one of those things isn't it?.

I actually really like how there are sub types of flyers, and how they each have different strengths.
It might open up more tactics.

I still think the scale of the game isn't quite right for flyers due to table size, and would like them to act more like gunships than fighter jets, but its still a neat concept.

Question is though, are we going to see more dedicated ground AA, as only fighters are good at AA now?

Hmmmmmm. I have two questions...

1) Are FMC's going to be included in these rules? No mention of Flyrants or Demon Princes so far.... If only dedicated Air Superiority fighters get Skyfire now, that's a definite boost to those FMC that can stay airborne all game.

2) Are the Forgeworld Flyers (Lightning, Thunderbolt, Avenger etc) going to be updated for these rules?

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Well its a good thing skyfire is readily available in my Necron and Dark Angels armies....oh wait....its not. I'm predicting the nightscythe will become an attack craft and the doomscythe will become a bomber. Or the nightscythe will become a fighter and the doomscythe an attack craft. The Dark Angels will gain two perfectly useless fighter and bomber and Space Marines will continue to gain flyers that nobody seems to have told the descendents of the 1st legion that there is all these new vehicles that have been always a part of the book of strategies and tactics they were given at chapterhood.

So are we going to see a lot more skyfire in 8th edition? This going to be one of those things right were we all say this will all make more sense with the next edition. An then all the people who go ham on flyers because they are OP find out they are terrible with the new edition. This is one of those things isn't it?.

We may end up seeing anni barges being turned into AA batteries after all.
Or GW will release another set that we just have to buy -_-

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Well its a good thing skyfire is readily available in my Necron and Dark Angels armies....oh wait....its not. I'm predicting the nightscythe will become an attack craft and the doomscythe will become a bomber. Or the nightscythe will become a fighter and the doomscythe an attack craft. The Dark Angels will gain two perfectly useless fighter and bomber and Space Marines will continue to gain flyers that nobody seems to have told the descendents of the 1st legion that there is all these new vehicles that have been always a part of the book of strategies and tactics they were given at chapterhood.

So are we going to see a lot more skyfire in 8th edition? This going to be one of those things right were we all say this will all make more sense with the next edition. An then all the people who go ham on flyers because they are OP find out they are terrible with the new edition. This is one of those things isn't it?.

We may end up seeing anni barges being turned into AA batteries after all.
Or GW will release another set that we just have to buy -_-

Considering that anni barges have been sitting on my self since 7th ed I suppose I could accept them having a purpose after being beaten and left to die by the nerfstick.

I suspect our flyer kit will get an additional kit added to it that is whatever 3rd type of craft we don't currently have.

My lions blade Dark Angels are easily the most screwed by this.

I would actually really like to see tesla getting a bonus against aircraft, as that would kind of make sense. Aircraft no likey lightning.
No haywire though, as that would conflict too much with the gauss rule. Just something like a hit bonus.

This may make tesla immortals into mini sam sites though...which would be kind of hilarious, but anyway.

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW's own stores don't "order" anything. If something sells, it gets restocked. If it isn't going to get restocked then it's been given a "Direct Only" tag on the webstore.

Ok, I will assume you are not doing this just for the sake of arguing and explain myself a little more.

From what I know so far, and I have no reason to believe that changed, the order forms that independents stores use is also the list of references that GW stores will restock (EDIT- before it leads to some arguing, I mean, that restocks are picked from that list, not that they restock everything), baring very few exceptions (like the previous SM paint set in the ugly transparent plastic box that was on the stockist program). So in the vast majority of the cases if it's no longer available for us to order it's no longer available for them to restock, and the reverse is true.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Both of which are not the same as what your post implies; which is "once they're gone they're never coming back".

It might seem needlessly nitpicky, but some of your postings before have been the cause of some people thinking they need to "panic buy" things.

My post imply nothing more than what I said. If you want them from a store then get them fast as additional boxes shall no longer be available. I said nothing about GW own website in my first post because I didn't know what would happen there. To me saying that it would be fine to wait while these models can no longer be ordered is a big no no.

As for the "panic buy" thing, which I assume is regarding IK:Renegade as I don't remember talking about the availability of another recent release, all the info I give come from GW, be it by rep or mail, as long as it's not something we're supposed to keep silent. So any issue with it I suggest taking it with GW directly and not me. Keep in mind that there is probably not a single soul on these forums that is a potential customer to me, so it's not like I was hunting for sales.

 EnTyme wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
there is a chance these might be interesting and fun rules for casual players to use in their games, which is all 40K can possibly be right now anyway - a casual for-funsies game.

Because god forbid anyone have fun.

Given GW's approach to 7th, I wouldn't count of fun. Frustrating random tables and lopsided games are a sure bet though.

Just want to say I'm psyched about new flyer stuff - because I they're cool as hell.

I'd also like to say that I enjoy playing this game and rolling dice and new releases. This seems to make me a minority, but if you feel the same, don't worry - there's other people like you out there.

And to whomever keeps posting up leaks - thanks! I'm really curious to see where all this goes.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
That sounds a lot like attack/bombers are going to trade skyfire for ignore cover.

How and what things get classed as could be quite irritating. My talon/raven are the primary form of dealing with other flyers in my collection. Having to get the new kit for an AA bird would be irritating.

Indeed. In the case of my Blood Angels, the Stormraven is the only form of Skyfire there is. Period.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the not-fighters might still be granted Skyfire to specific weapons. The Stormraven's turret, for example.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
That sounds a lot like attack/bombers are going to trade skyfire for ignore cover.

How and what things get classed as could be quite irritating. My talon/raven are the primary form of dealing with other flyers in my collection. Having to get the new kit for an AA bird would be irritating.

Indeed. In the case of my Blood Angels, the Stormraven is the only form of Skyfire there is. Period.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of the not-fighters might still be granted Skyfire to specific weapons. The Stormraven's turret, for example.

I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't give Blood Angels squat.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
GW's own stores don't "order" anything. If something sells, it gets restocked. If it isn't going to get restocked then it's been given a "Direct Only" tag on the webstore.

Ok, I will assume you are not doing this just for the sake of arguing and explain myself a little more.

I hate to break this to you after all that typing, but your first assumption was actually correct: Kan just likes to argue. The old kits will be sold until they're out of stock, then these new kits will replace them completely.

Wow! Ignores Cover 5/5 Large Blast one shot per model. It will revolutionize the industry of 5/5 shots in the Tau codex and then jam and never fire again.

/sarcasm

OR I can take anything with smart missiles and laugh at our bombers.

Whilst the weapon load outs may not be spectacular, the Dark Angels jets do have one distinct advantage over regular marines, their pilots are Ravenwing, their pursuit and agility scores should be very high compared to marines.

Depending on your needs it might be worth holding of on panic buying the old flyers. Based on this release and Sad Panda's earlier rumour it is highly likely that the old kits will be the ones included in the upcoming boxed game. My guess would be 2 of each and some scenery for £75. If the old kits do go out of stock the flyers will probably go for a decent price on eBay.