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Open, Narrative, and Matched play (w/points) . Any thoughts?
I'm grateful for the three options, I only expect two. YAY!

It's not really so trolly down here so, whatcha 'all think?

So long as points doesn't slowly become the standard way to play in their publications etc then all good. Well done GW, amazing the turnaround we've seen at that company of late.

Hopefully the campaign style will have some more campaign systems similar to the Chaos one at christmas but more detailed.

 VeteranNoob wrote:


It's not really so trolly down here so, whatcha 'all think?

Admire your optimism, but there's already 3 names I know I'll see in here before the end of the day...

Points values was unexpected, however the statement fits with AoS thus far - here's a toolkit for playing games with our minis, use the bits you want.
As long as points are an 'additional rule' rather than a default setting, good work.
Until people start ripping the points system to bits, obviously...

Yeah, this can't be anything but good. Those that are fine with the game as it exists, sans points, can still play that way, and get extra goodness in the form of campaign support, while those wanting something a little more competitive and structured, whether for tournament or pick-up play, also get what they want!

Working with the established community tournament scene for balancing is a great move, they'll get a much wider pool of data and experience to balance around than just in-house playtesting!

So long as this doesn't require us to buy a £50 rulebook to get this stuff (unlikely given the track record with AoS being free) then it's brilliant!

I am happy with the additional playing options. I'd be interested to see if there will be scenarios with outlined forces, for example "The Fall of Pupa Grotese" or "Archaon's Arena" or whatever. On the more grim side I also suspect taht the first two options may become less and less used with the addition of points and standardized army sizes. It doesn't concern me as I don't have a FLGS to game in so I would not be bothered at all.

RoperPG wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:


It's not really so trolly down here so, whatcha 'all think?

Admire your optimism, but there's already 3 names I know I'll see in here before the end of the day...

Points values was unexpected, however the statement fits with AoS thus far - here's a toolkit for playing games with our minis, use the bits you want.
As long as points are an 'additional rule' rather than a default setting, good work.
Until people start ripping the points system to bits, obviously...

I can guess. I have started using the ignore button on Dakka and Warseer and it's...just glorious I'm excited for this. I don't anticipate problems for myself as no matter where I play we will play what we want with the rules we want, and if it is an event, then what their comp pack or guidelines are. Simple simple. But I do hope this makes the gaming forums a bit more pleasant for a while.

The fact that there's going to be a point system version of the game makes me want to play it now. Actually it was the biggest reason why no one at my FLGS picked it up when it first came out, this should solve that problem.

A points system alone won't solve the games issues, GW needs to prove they can actually balance armies or adding points is pointless.

And the thing they refuse to address is the thing that'll keep people away prices are unreasonably high.

It's a good start, maybe there is hope for the game yet will be watching it again for now.

STEEEEEEEEEEE-RIKE 1!

SCGT are the guys working on this.

1 down, two to go...

As current default is the open play model (or seems to me), wondering what (if any) extras the narrative bit may entail.

That was 1 out of 3 already :-)

Why is that a strike? I'm assuming you don't like the SCGT comp packet? If Heelan, Curry and Russ Veal worked on this I feel pretty darn good about it for when we go to events that use Matched play. Don't really see a lo of Matched play games for myself really but who knows--we know nothing yet.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Why is that a strike? I'm assuming you don't like the SCGT comp packet? If Heelan, Curry and Russ Veal worked on this I feel pretty darn good about it for when we go to events that use Matched play. Don't really see a lo of Matched play games for myself really but who knows--we know nothing yet.

I was replying to a previous post, sorry!
I have zero interest in a comp system at the moment, but for GW to option one from the community is very smart for a number of reasons.

For now, I'm more interested to see what the campaign system is.

RoperPG wrote:
STEEEEEEEEEEE-RIKE 1!

SCGT are the guys working on this.

1 down, two to go...

As current default is the open play model (or seems to me), wondering what (if any) extras the narrative bit may entail.

I'd expect In-depth scenario chains and experience points, like in Mordheim.

ITT - IF the points are interesting, I may make a Shadow Warrior only warband.

Very very excited for the campaign stuff to be shown. Me and the girl were already talking about making one, saves me the hassle!

Best case scenario/campaign stuff is some kind of ability to create your own Hero and have them gain experience, acquire weapons and skills, grow their army... the fluff is already a great sandbox for this, if they can create rules to match then that will be perfect. This is far more viable for AoS than 40k, in only because without points, you can't create an OP character, as it's all relative. Conversely, there's no need to try and balance the system, just give us the tools to go wild!

I am optimistic that this along with a number of changes and announcements over the last few months (return of specialist games, the boxed set starter packs and stand alone games etc) that GW actually has made a turn for the better.

Long may it continue

TheWanderer wrote:
I am optimistic that this along with a number of changes and announcements over the last few months (return of specialist games, the boxed set starter packs and stand alone games etc) that GW actually has made a turn for the better.

Talk about a 180º turn...

Interesting times ahead.

Well this is interesting to say the least....mind you this is all stuff that should have been done in the first place. You know, actually providing a structure to play instead of winging it.

We'll see how this plays out.

I want to cry tears of joy. Official comp based on SCGT? Doesn't get any better than that!

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Well this is interesting to say the least....mind you this is all stuff that should have been done in the first place. You know, actually providing a structure to play instead of winging it.

We'll see how this plays out.

My own theory would go along the "too litle, too late" line.

They were bleeding sales because of pricing, they amputated a sizeable part of the player corps with AoS launch.

A points system only addresses one part of the equation, and they have forced a lot of former players to find new ways to play with their old GW minis (9th, KoW) so those are unlikely to come back.

I'll certainly give the points system a try as long as I don't have to pay for it, though.

It's quite a U turn, and probably indicates a serious problem with the game's progress so far that GW are concerned to address.

At least, that's the only logical reason for now announcing new play modes which in the case of narrative were supposedly included at the start because points supposedly were the devil's work and inimical to narrative play, so they weren't included.

The big plus of this is that it shows GW are beginning to learn from their mistakes. The next step is for them to stop such mistakes from being published in the first case.

A positive move. Should have been there from the start though. We will see if this helps the game, but I fear too many are gone and won't come back.

 Da Boss wrote:
A positive move. Should have been there from the start though. We will see if this helps the game, but I fear too many are gone and won't come back.

The sheer price of the miniatures (especially the AoS specific ones) will keep a lot of players away from the GW shelves, if not from playing the game.

I will definitely be looking into the game.

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
A positive move. Should have been there from the start though. We will see if this helps the game, but I fear too many are gone and won't come back.

The sheer price of the miniatures (especially the AoS specific ones) will keep a lot of players away from the GW shelves, if not from playing the game.

I will definitely be looking into the game.

Maybe pass on the square bases I sent you to someone else :-p you're gonna need circles now ;-)

I'm keeping my squares!Give me regular polygons or give me death!

 Bottle wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
A positive move. Should have been there from the start though. We will see if this helps the game, but I fear too many are gone and won't come back.

The sheer price of the miniatures (especially the AoS specific ones) will keep a lot of players away from the GW shelves, if not from playing the game.

I will definitely be looking into the game.

Maybe pass on the square bases I sent you to someone else :-p you're gonna need circles now ;-)

I thought AoS did not care for base size or shape?

 Bottle wrote:

 Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
A positive move. Should have been there from the start though. We will see if this helps the game, but I fear too many are gone and won't come back.

The sheer price of the miniatures (especially the AoS specific ones) will keep a lot of players away from the GW shelves, if not from playing the game.

I will definitely be looking into the game.

Maybe pass on the square bases I sent you to someone else :-p you're gonna need circles now ;-)

Oh those bases have already been occupied by the casts I made for my FB elves, worry not. I just need to pin/glue the elves down.

If I make an AoS Shadow Warrior warband I'll be basing them on 25mm circular bases, just like I did my Mordheim WB. I got hundreds of those.

This is where I get off the bus.

GW is at least responding to criticism about one of their products. The last time that happened was the 6th Edition Dark Elf army book. So good on them for doing it but I imagine it is too little, too late to mend the bridges with the community.

If it helps offset that by bringing in more new players then it's a smart move overall.