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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/30 17:27:24
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Krazed Killa Kan
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I know 2 Stormsurges are allowed as a unit in a CAD, but is the Heavy Retribution Cadre allowed which has 2 units of 1 StormSurge rather than 1 unit of 2?
Thanks
DrG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/30 17:35:01
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Fixture of Dakka
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No. Only 1 unit is allowed, not 2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/04/30 17:39:17
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Ok. Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/03 20:20:04
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Regular Dakkanaut
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ITC should revisit the limit on GMCs generally. Adepticon was more liberal and we didn't see double wraith knight dominating the field. Given the rise of SM assault effectiveness, we are going to need GMCs to counter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/03 21:25:47
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Sagitarius with a Big F'in Gun
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DooDoo wrote:ITC should revisit the limit on GMCs generally. Adepticon was more liberal and we didn't see double wraith knight dominating the field. Given the rise of SM assault effectiveness, we are going to need GMCs to counter.
You either didn't go to adepticon, or you weren't paying enough attention.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/03 22:17:21
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Double WK is a big no no, even with the nerf D in ITC, people will just bring the Skathach WK which is even more insane.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/03 22:46:44
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DooDoo wrote:ITC should revisit the limit on GMCs generally. Adepticon was more liberal and we didn't see double wraith knight dominating the field. Given the rise of SM assault effectiveness, we are going to need GMCs to counter.
8 of top 10 were eldar and half were double LoW...
What do you consider dominating? 10 of 10?
Regardless I'm just waiting for the GW faqs and seeing most of the tournament faqs get reset.
Hoping the ITC keeps a few of the clearer rule changes like 2+ rerollable nerf and invis nerf and has a bigger vote on the rules that GW clarifies but are still dumb. Like allowing multiple of the same named character as they did in AoS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/04 15:53:18
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
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Some facts about Eldar at Adepticon.
9 Eldar qualified for Top 16. After drops only 8 competed.
Of these 3 had double wraithknight.
None of the double WK made it to top 4.
Eldar were dominate, I wouldn't say double WK was.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 18:54:52
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Stomp is the only semi-effective counter to the rise marine psychic Death Stars because of the ITC Nerf to ranged D. If we can't have ranged D, we need more stomps so we can have a disincentive for 1500 pt squads.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 19:06:45
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DooDoo wrote:Stomp is the only semi-effective counter to the rise marine psychic Death Stars because of the ITC Nerf to ranged D. If we can't have ranged D, we need more stomps so we can have a disincentive for 1500 pt squads.
The ITC nerf to str d does not effect Death Stars.
All the ITC nerf to str d does is reduce the 6 roll from 6+ d6 to 3 wounds (which kills nearly every character in game regardless). You can't spread those wounds around to other models either. So it does absolutely nothing to Death Stars. If anything it helps 4+ hull vehicles (which still takes a pen result as well) and 4+ wound MC/GMC.
ITC does nerf Death Stars by nerfing 2+ rerollable, nerfing invis, and now with limit on psychic powers to ML and limit to things like curse earth stacking and not allowing the same unit to cast the same power multiple times. the Inability to share formation rules, and IC not sharing buffs. You cut down Death Stars more and more.
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ArtfcllyFlvrd wrote:Some facts about Eldar at Adepticon.
9 Eldar qualified for Top 16. After drops only 8 competed.
Of these 3 had double wraithknight.
None of the double WK made it to top 4.
Eldar were dominate, I wouldn't say double WK was.
3 double knights but one had knight and Lynx so it was still double lord of war. That list did make it to the top 4.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 19:45:06
Subject: Re:2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Furious Fire Dragon
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FYI: The Lynx is no longer a Lord of War, it is a 'mere' Heavy Support choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 19:53:03
Subject: Re:2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DCannon4Life wrote:FYI: The Lynx is no longer a Lord of War, it is a 'mere' Heavy Support choice.
Whoops ya forgot about that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 20:31:32
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Fixture of Dakka
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DooDoo wrote:Stomp is the only semi-effective counter to the rise marine psychic Death Stars because of the ITC Nerf to ranged D. If we can't have ranged D, we need more stomps so we can have a disincentive for 1500 pt squads.
Well, the new FAQ is a nerf to marine psychic death stars. That may help some.
16 Warp Charges that you gain on a 2+? Well, make good use out of your 2 powers then.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 20:50:31
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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DarknessEternal wrote:DooDoo wrote:Stomp is the only semi-effective counter to the rise marine psychic Death Stars because of the ITC Nerf to ranged D. If we can't have ranged D, we need more stomps so we can have a disincentive for 1500 pt squads.
Well, the new FAQ is a nerf to marine psychic death stars. That may help some.
16 Warp Charges that you gain on a 2+? Well, make good use out of your 2 powers then.
2 "important" powers is sometimes all the death star need
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 21:23:10
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Fixture of Dakka
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DarknessEternal wrote:DooDoo wrote:Stomp is the only semi-effective counter to the rise marine psychic Death Stars because of the ITC Nerf to ranged D. If we can't have ranged D, we need more stomps so we can have a disincentive for 1500 pt squads.
Well, the new FAQ is a nerf to marine psychic death stars. That may help some.
16 Warp Charges that you gain on a 2+? Well, make good use out of your 2 powers then.
It's always been like this in the ITC. They've been playing it that you can only cast powers equal to your Mastery Level way before the GW FAQ.
BTW, the prudent player would either take Tiggy to cast 3 powers or they'd take 4 Libbies and split them off into 2x2 Libbies to cast more powers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/05 23:10:12
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jy2 wrote: DarknessEternal wrote:DooDoo wrote:Stomp is the only semi-effective counter to the rise marine psychic Death Stars because of the ITC Nerf to ranged D. If we can't have ranged D, we need more stomps so we can have a disincentive for 1500 pt squads.
Well, the new FAQ is a nerf to marine psychic death stars. That may help some.
16 Warp Charges that you gain on a 2+? Well, make good use out of your 2 powers then.
It's always been like this in the ITC. They've been playing it that you can only cast powers equal to your Mastery Level way before the GW FAQ.
BTW, the prudent player would either take Tiggy to cast 3 powers or they'd take 4 Libbies and split them off into 2x2 Libbies to cast more powers.
It's kinda funny how all the other tournaments touting they were playing rules as written and called the ITC out as house rules were actually playing their own house rules and a lot of the faqs seemed to have been ruled the same way ITC is played.
MLs of psychers
Toe in cover gmc
No rule sharing between detachments
No blasts on fmc
Tau drone spam is not allowed because you can't enter and leave reserves in the same turn
Etc, etc
There is a lot of contentious rules the ITC ruled conservatively that was apparently the intentions of the devs all along.
Ignoring the three obvious blatant rules changes of course 2+ rerollable, invis nerf, and str d 6 result.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/05/06 16:49:42
Subject: 2016 ITC Format StormSurge Question
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Hoary Long Fang with Lascannon
Central MO
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gungo wrote:
3 double knights but one had knight and Lynx so it was still double lord of war. That list did make it to the top 4.
I think you're mistaken.
Only 1 lynx was in the top 16, and it was in a double WK list (Brett Perkins)
The 1 eldar that made top 4 (Bruno Choquette) had 1 Skathach WK and no lynx.
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