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 jreilly89 wrote:

Melevolence wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Those entitled, ungrateful millennials! They should just eat whatever gak is shoveled in front of them by the game industry without even looking or thinking about it!

Well, no. But they should at least give the game a fair chance to prove itself before making half baked assumptions and decisions about it when the game isn't even close to being finished. I mean, we JUST got the announcement, and already there's people adamant on not buying the game. I always hold my judgement until the game actually hits shelves and I can read/watch reviews to see if the final product appeals.

Being a negative nancy is sadly the new hip thing to do. I'm not saying be happy with whatever shovelware piece of gak you get, but at least review the finished product. Or hell, if it ain't worth $60, don't buy it! Steam will have a sale on it 4 months after it releases

This man is absolutely right.

Everyone: stop posting in this thread until the game is released. There shall be absolutely no analyzing or critiquing of the information as it is released to us.

Great, more video games I have to buy. T_T

 Gamgee wrote:

Or look at Overwatch by Blizzard as another prime example of a game with extreme value for the money and not asking for anything for more. New maps and heroes will be free for everyone but there will be some form of DLC eventually.

They can make plenty of money off of Overwatch without ever adding DLC.

Blizzard, of course, makes Heroes of the Storm. And Heroes of the Storm contains characters that are all pulled from other Blizzard products. The release of Overwatch frees Blizzard's hands somewhat with regard to new Heroes of the Swarm characters. Instead of releasing yet another orc, Blizzard can instead release a new Overwatch character, and then port it over to Heroes of the Storm, where they can sell it to players.




And just to keep this remotely on-topic -

The trailer looks pretty cool. And some of the imagery puts me in mind of Chaos - the pile of bodies as an offering to Khorne, perhaps.

We shall see.

Eumerin wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

Or look at Overwatch by Blizzard as another prime example of a game with extreme value for the money and not asking for anything for more. New maps and heroes will be free for everyone but there will be some form of DLC eventually.

They can make plenty of money off of Overwatch without ever adding DLC.

Blizzard, of course, makes Heroes of the Storm. And Heroes of the Storm contains characters that are all pulled from other Blizzard products. The release of Overwatch frees Blizzard's hands somewhat with regard to new Heroes of the Swarm characters. Instead of releasing yet another orc, Blizzard can instead release a new Overwatch character, and then port it over to Heroes of the Storm, where they can sell it to players.




And just to keep this remotely on-topic -

The trailer looks pretty cool. And some of the imagery puts me in mind of Chaos - the pile of bodies as an offering to Khorne, perhaps.

We shall see.

i say tyranid are gathering for biomass. They where the most asked for in dawn of war. They tried to put them in dawn of heroes but people hated that game so much it died on arrivial. Then the forums where just starcraft did tyranids better with zerg. Be nice to see proper tyranids now dawn of heroes style where you get 2 squads and take over a planet and ever mission is vs a boss..... So amazing lol.

I can see one of three things. Tyranids, Necrons, or Chaos. I don't know but it just doesn't seem chaosy to me for them to gather dead bodies in a pit. Usually they like to kill them alive and leave t hem strewn over the battlefield.

What if its Dark Eldar? Eee..... that would blow my fething mind. Seems like the thing they would do to terrorize their enemies.

OgreChubbs wrote:
i say tyranid are gathering for biomass. They where the most asked for in dawn of war. They tried to put them in dawn of heroes but people hated that game so much it died on arrivial. Then the forums where just starcraft did tyranids better with zerg. Be nice to see proper tyranids now dawn of heroes style where you get 2 squads and take over a planet and ever mission is vs a boss..... So amazing lol.

I think you have an incredibly warped view of how that game was received. It got great reviews (currently 85 on metacritic), topped the global sales charts for PC games on release, and had enough community support that Relic was adding new modes and content to it, both paid and free, for several yeas after release. It hardly 'died on arrival'. If you don't like it, that's fine. Just say you didn't like the game. Don't try and make it look like the game was rejected by everything and everyone. I actually much prefer DoW2.

Anyway, I'm sad to hear they are going back to base building. I had kinda hoped base building was a relic (no pun intended) of RTS-past. Even Starcraft is beginning to lose it's grip on popularity, even here in Korea. I think part of this is that we see hero-centric games gain popularity like League of Legends and Dota 2, or we see games that split the game into combat and an overworld strategy, like Total War. Having to build a base at the start of every match has always seemed incredibly monotonousness to me (at least in campaign missions).

I will certainly get this game when it comes out but I hope it's a good mix of things that made DoW1 great and what made DoW2 great, rather than Dow1 but bigger.

I was thinking the pit/cauldron was more symbolic than something like a literal offering to chaos/food for Tyranids/Dark Eldar shenanigans.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, this was a weird animation. From the completely nonsensical free-for-all battle, the Eldar living in xenomorph hives, the Marine statue spontaneously transmuting into a large quantity of live Orks, to Space Marine armour apparently being so paper light that it flutters in the wind.

It was a metaphor- the winds of war blow all aside.

The epigraph from the trailer was a quote that pertained to Necrons and there seems to be a theme of "Death comes for all", I don't think it entirely inconceivable that the Necrons can appear as a non-playable hostile race the way they did in Winter Assault as a teaser of their playable status in the next expansion. That said it's going to be interesting how Relic handles them storywise; there hasn't been an army that has had its fluff as drastically and fundamentally changed in the interim as the Necrons have.

Side-note: Wraithknights are also co-piloted by the twin of the deceased inhabitant of the construct. While there was zero indication that they were twins, anyone want to take bets that we'll see Ronahn piloting a Taldeer-Wraithknight?

Truth of all the things I guessed Necrons seem most likely. They also just recently released the Necron Lord for DoW2.

 Skinnereal wrote:

"Take your battle plans to another level by deploying powerful collectible elite squads, each boasting their own special abilities and bonuses that will help you unlock and develop new attacking strategies to conquer your foes."

Um. This will need looking into before I buy.

I smell microtransactions!

Xyptc wrote:
That's not enormously different to our own hobby though...

It's vastly different. When I buy a box of Terminators I don't assume it comes with a Dreadnought. When I buy a computer game I don't expect to have parts of it sold to me after I've already paid for it.

As long as i get to spam missile tacticals i will be happy

 Knight wrote:
Are you perhaps referring to Eisenhorn: Xenos? Inquisitor: Martyr is at least aimed to be developed with PC as gaming platform in mind.

Ah yes, that game. The one that looks like Diablo III on Valium. I hope it's been sped up since the last preview as it looked dreadfully dull.

 Laycas49 wrote:
They finally give us what we've been wanting and people are already crying about how it's garbage. At least wait to see some game footage before you throw it under the bus.

Why?

I doubt anyone here thinks that Relic is going to do a bad job - they are an excellent development house and have been for nearly 20 years - but we're concerned about their publisher, SEGA. Developers create games, publishers break them. Just look at Warhammer: Total War. Chaos, a race intrinsic to the setting, are a DLC pre-order race. Do you really think that these 'collectible' heroes aren't going to be paid-for with real money after you've bought the game. You don't think that Best Buy and Game Stop are going to have their own exclusive units that can only be bought via pre-order?

This isn't nay-saying based on 'entitlement'. This is world-weary cynicism based upon experience and the publisher's track record.

 TedNugent wrote:
If they add an unbearably slow tech tree locking all interesting units, it could just be an alright videogame with a 40k logo.

Don't worry. I'm sure unlocking all the interesting units is one simple micro-transaction away...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Skinnereal wrote:

"Take your battle plans to another level by deploying powerful collectible elite squads, each boasting their own special abilities and bonuses that will help you unlock and develop new attacking strategies to conquer your foes."

Um. This will need looking into before I buy.

I smell microtransactions!

Xyptc wrote:
That's not enormously different to our own hobby though...

It's vastly different. When I buy a box of Terminators I don't assume it comes with a Dreadnought. When I buy a computer game I don't expect to have parts of it sold to me after I've already paid for it.

DLC has been a thing for around a decade now. Not expecting it at this point is putting your head in the sand. Most games will have Dlc.

DLC has been a thing forever. They just bundled it into one big box and called it an expansion pack before.


Edit: The chaos DLC for TW: WH is a new campaign, new army. Back in the day, an expansion pack with an entire new campaign would cost you the price of a retail game.

And Chaos wasn't nearly as integral to the Old World as say, the Empire. I imagine the factions in the basic game campaign spent more time fighting each other than Chaos did invading down south (with the exception of Sylvania/the Undead, who spent more time doing nothing than Chaos did).

I had a dream....that it could run on my 2 years old laptop
The most awesome thing about DoW3 is that it looks like Gretchins are back. I love these little greenstards!
On the complaining side I do not like that SM have a Knight as a super unit. I prefer 'pure' armies so was never a fan of Vindicare or Inquisitor in Guard in previous DoW titles.

That reminded me of DOW2 concept visualisation. It just fits the screenshots we got. You know what I mean.

Anyone remember that:




That kind of dynamic in the game - I am all for it.

from the other side - I am worried it will be riddled with powerful DLC Elite Units or equipment.

Can't wait.

Regards.

Okay that was great! ^ Can we have that?

I like the look of it.

Like all games, I will wait until the first summer/christmas steam sale after it and buy the game and all dlc for half the cost at launch. Or 12 months after that and get the lot for £10.

Unlike minis, pc games have a huge amount of price flexibility, you just have to wait if you want the best deal, but it always comes.

 boredbeard wrote:

This is really cool, I didn't know this existed! They have the charge + melee knockback from my mod (albeit by far more powerful).

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was thinking the pit/cauldron was more symbolic than something like a literal offering to chaos/food for Tyranids/Dark Eldar shenanigans.

Exactly.

In fact, I kinda thought it was symbolic of the "dead pile" that appears at the side of every game table as the game progresses. Like a little nod to tabletop.

OgreChubbs wrote:
Ask and ye shall recieve

Sigh

http://steamcharts.com/search/?q=dawn+of+war

Do take more single snapshots of online activity, I'm sure they'll all be very relevant.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 boredbeard wrote:

Spoiler:

Incase anyone missed it.

Put together a video detailing all the news and media we have at the moment on Dawn of War 3, soon as I get more information I will make more videos to keep everyone updated.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I was thinking the pit/cauldron was more symbolic than something like a literal offering to chaos/food for Tyranids/Dark Eldar shenanigans.

Exactly.

In fact, I kinda thought it was symbolic of the "dead pile" that appears at the side of every game table as the game progresses. Like a little nod to tabletop.

I like this theory a lot more than some nid yum yum pile. Besides if anything its the giant loot pile for the lootas to pilfer

On another note I'm glad Gorgutz is back, not quite as awesome as Bluddflagg but he is still an impressive Warboss and proper killy. I just hope Stupid makes a return as Gorgutz's #2.

The trailer is artististic!
The game, imo (if anyone bothers to read this post) will be meat shield around a titan (Imperial Knight, Eldar Knight or w/e). That's also a smart way to advertise the knight models too.

 MadMuzza wrote:
Incase anyone missed it.

Put together a video detailing all the news and media we have at the moment on Dawn of War 3, soon as I get more information I will make more videos to keep everyone updated.

Pretty much my thoughts too and the development stage is also a key thing for me. As Star Citizen made me realise when games were announced they had been developed for a long time before then. Now of course there are more and more games that are listed as alpha and is near the first year of development so I wonder if DoW 3 has been years in development and concept or still bare bones.

 SickSix wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dawn of DLC will be SEGA's first attempt at monetising everything down to the purity seals on a 40K game.

Can't wait.

This may kill this game. 'Collectible squads' clearly indicates micro-transactions.

You want Thunder-hammer Terminators? That will be 2.99

You want Sternguard? That will be 1.99

You want a Librarian in Terminator armor? That will be 1.99

The previews spoke about you having 3 Elite slots and that they were how you customized your army.... so I guess we can expect unit card packs or something. Pay $5 and you get 5 cards that unlock 5 random units for you to use in your Elite slots.


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 MadMuzza wrote:
Incase anyone missed it.

Put together a video detailing all the news and media we have at the moment on Dawn of War 3, soon as I get more information I will make more videos to keep everyone updated.

They have announced the Eldar and Ork heroes on the Dawn of War website

With war raging and the planet under siege by the armies of greedy Ork warlord Gorgutz, ambitious Eldar seer Macha, and mighty Space Marine commander Gabriel Angelos, supremacy must ultimately be suspended for survival.

So the forever virgin Macha returns

Cant stop watching the trailer or listening to the sounds.

In death I shall have no remorse!

I mean I have never seen someone so happy to die for the Emperor.

Please don't post DOW memes from /tg/ (or elsewhere) containing swears/nudity.

I love those memes as much as anybody but DakkaDakka is not 1d4chan ...