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I don't think that collectible thing is buying squads, I think we'll find e'm over the campaign so we don't end up with Terminators and Sternguards on the first mission. Kinda like we had collectible gear in DoW 2

When they mentioned the 'collectible' elite units, it didn't instantly scream to me micro transactions, just that over the course of the game you can unlock more special units. If its SEGA though I wouldn't be surprised. Then again look what happened with the WoC DLC for Total Warhammer.

If there are micro transactions bullgak remember SEGA not Relic will be to blame.

I really wonder what numbers we will get to see on screen, a sacrifice in quality to withstand greater battles bigger than DoW 1. The mod for DoW 2 that made unit sizes a lot bigger and removed the upkeep limit didn't really affect the performance.

I think it's pretty likely there will be microtransactions.
This is probably a good thing though.

What!?!?!?!

Here's why.
Dawn of War 1 released as a full game. Full price.. same as any other game at the time. IIRC many of the follow ups did the same and DOW2 was definitely a full game.
Microtransactions means at least two things.

1. Lower initial cost. Any time a game is released as a microtrans based platform, the main unit of the game is inexpensive and/or free. We know F2P will be an option for Eternal Crusade so since we've not seen a pricepoint announced for the main release we won't know for a while (unless I missed this). So while buying more stuff sucks, getting games for free or cheap up front is pretty cool.

2. The game will be DLC-centric. This means it is designed around the notion of adding content. Likely, when new factions are added, it will not be a whole new game. I would wager that new factions will probably release with new content and only be available like that for a while and then broken out later for individual sales. Whatever the case is, it is almost certain we will see development centered around the core game rather than individual retail releases and development cycles.

3. This came to me while typing the last one but not needing to develop self-contained releases means we're likely to see faster releases of new content since it simply needs to be dropped into the core game.

4. Multiplayer - By building around one central game and adding DLC, the online playerbase will be more centralized. This means (ideally) that finding online matches will be less problematic.

5. Stability - Rather than having to hunt down bugs for each separate retail release (and each one had them), there will be an ongoing lifecycle maintenance so while there will be persistent bugs that have to be scheduled out, it will be a singular list and once something is fixed it should ideally be fixed for good not until the next game comes out.

TL/DR - Micro transactions means one central game that will be cheaper up front, more stable, and easier to find matches on. At least that's my prediction.

You are confusing micro-transactions with DLC.

 Tyran wrote:
You are confusing micro-transactions with DLC.

Negative. Micro-transactions ARE DLC.. they just tend to be paid content.

EDIT:
To clarify. Micro-transactions are a business model that allows DLC to be unlocked via real world money or perhaps in-game currency or credit. The concept of DLC was new when I was studying video game design and I wrote a long paper on the F2P phenomenon since at the time there were only a handful of them and they were primarily ports of foreign language games.

Now the real question is...
Will Gorgutz be voiced by Brian Drummond (the voice of Vegeta in DBZ) again? if so, the hype will be OVER 9000!!!

 MLaw wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
You are confusing micro-transactions with DLC.

Negative. Micro-transactions ARE DLC.. they just tend to be paid content.

They tend not to be., Micro-transactions tend to be stuff, already in the game, that you have to pay extra to unlock/get more of.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
You are confusing micro-transactions with DLC.

Negative. Micro-transactions ARE DLC.. they just tend to be paid content.

They tend not to be., Micro-transactions tend to be stuff, already in the game, that you have to pay extra to unlock/get more of.

Really? Because Arkham Knight is loaded with micro-transactions that are all DLC. Sure a lot of it will be in the game at launch but as new items are available you will have to download them.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
You are confusing micro-transactions with DLC.

Negative. Micro-transactions ARE DLC.. they just tend to be paid content.

They tend not to be., Micro-transactions tend to be stuff, already in the game, that you have to pay extra to unlock/get more of.

Exactly, like skins or in-game currency. I guess they could sell skins as micro-transactions, but new factions or maps would be full DLC.

 MLaw wrote:
I think it's pretty likely there will be microtransactions.
This is probably a good thing though.

What!?!?!?!

Here's why.
Dawn of War 1 released as a full game. Full price.. same as any other game at the time. IIRC many of the follow ups did the same and DOW2 was definitely a full game.
Microtransactions means at least two things.

1. Lower initial cost. Any time a game is released as a microtrans based platform, the main unit of the game is inexpensive and/or free.

Aaaand horse manure. SW: Battlefront was full price. The latest Dead Space was full price. Assassin's Creed games are full price. The Total War games from the same publisher as DoW will now come from is full price. AAA games do not in any sense of the word become cheaper because of microtransactions, indeed the reverse is true since not only are we still expected to pay for bigger content updates via DLC but all the things that used to be considered part of the game like cosmetics and a normal pace of progression are locked away or crippled to push people towards buying skin packs or single mission packs or game-specific currency that's then used to buy RNG mystery boxes.

Literally the only genre in which your initial claim on which your whole prediction is predicated can be said to be true most of the time is MMOs, and even there many still charge a substantial initial fee to open an account.

Microtransactions outside of totally F2P games are a cancer.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
I think it's pretty likely there will be microtransactions.
This is probably a good thing though.

What!?!?!?!

Here's why.
Dawn of War 1 released as a full game. Full price.. same as any other game at the time. IIRC many of the follow ups did the same and DOW2 was definitely a full game.
Microtransactions means at least two things.

1. Lower initial cost. Any time a game is released as a microtrans based platform, the main unit of the game is inexpensive and/or free.

Aaaand horse manure. SW: Battlefront was full price. The latest Dead Space was full price. Assassin's Creed games are full price. The Total War games from the same publisher as DoW will now come from is full price. AAA games do not in any sense of the word become cheaper because of microtransactions, indeed the reverse is true since not only are we still expected to pay for bigger content updates via DLC but all the things that used to be considered part of the game like cosmetics and a normal pace of progression are locked away or crippled to push people towards buying skin packs or single mission packs or game-specific currency that's then used to buy RNG mystery boxes.

Literally the only genre in which your initial claim on which your whole prediction is predicated can be said to be true most of the time is MMOs, and even there many still charge a substantial initial fee to open an account.

Microtransactions outside of totally F2P games are a cancer.

First off, your post is extremely rude. There's no call for that.
Second, there are hundreds of tablet games that are centered around building bases and attacking with loads of troops that are all either F2P or super cheap. You then expand your capabilities or forces through micro-transactions.
Considering there have been many tablet based releases of GW properties AND this is a bit of a horse of a different color, I don't know that I would presume the "console rules" apply to this game. ALL of this is conjecture and it's supposed to be in good fun and as a moderator I would expect you to be a bit more courteous, especially since you lot like to jump on us lowly folk for it.

Please, everyone, keep in civil and remember Rule #1, always.

Now, I've got to ask - where exactly is Yodhrin a Moderator?

 Alpharius wrote:
Please, everyone, keep in civil and remember Rule #1, always.

Now, I've got to ask - where exactly is Yodhrin a Moderator?

Is he not? I thought that's what his title was about..

EDIT: I see the MOD tag on yours is different.. my mistake

A moderatus is a member of a titan crew. It has nothing to do with forums.

So when can we expect all instances of moderator be changed to moderatus? It's a much more impressive title.

Yeah yeah.. I see it... c'mon guys I used the blush emoticon.. THE BLUSH EMOTICON!!!!

 MLaw wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
I think it's pretty likely there will be microtransactions.
This is probably a good thing though.

What!?!?!?!

Here's why.
Dawn of War 1 released as a full game. Full price.. same as any other game at the time. IIRC many of the follow ups did the same and DOW2 was definitely a full game.
Microtransactions means at least two things.

1. Lower initial cost. Any time a game is released as a microtrans based platform, the main unit of the game is inexpensive and/or free.

Aaaand horse manure. SW: Battlefront was full price. The latest Dead Space was full price. Assassin's Creed games are full price. The Total War games from the same publisher as DoW will now come from is full price. AAA games do not in any sense of the word become cheaper because of microtransactions, indeed the reverse is true since not only are we still expected to pay for bigger content updates via DLC but all the things that used to be considered part of the game like cosmetics and a normal pace of progression are locked away or crippled to push people towards buying skin packs or single mission packs or game-specific currency that's then used to buy RNG mystery boxes.

Literally the only genre in which your initial claim on which your whole prediction is predicated can be said to be true most of the time is MMOs, and even there many still charge a substantial initial fee to open an account.

Microtransactions outside of totally F2P games are a cancer.

First off, your post is extremely rude. There's no call for that.
Second, there are hundreds of tablet games that are centered around building bases and attacking with loads of troops that are all either F2P or super cheap. You then expand your capabilities or forces through micro-transactions.
Considering there have been many tablet based releases of GW properties AND this is a bit of a horse of a different color, I don't know that I would presume the "console rules" apply to this game. ALL of this is conjecture and it's supposed to be in good fun and as a moderator I would expect you to be a bit more courteous, especially since you lot like to jump on us lowly folk for it.

It's not meant to be particularly rude, that's just how I express disbelief, intentional rudeness would have activated the swear filter

Your counterpoint doesn't work though, because you're comparing apples & oranges; those basebuilding clickers are F2P mobile games, the closest equivalent on PC would be what, some indie Steam Early Access title? DoW3 will be a AAA game from a AAA studio being published by SEGA, who are notorious even among AAA publishers for nickle & diming customers, there's absolutely no evidence to support your hypothetical and quite a lot that undermines it.

 Alpharius wrote:
Please, everyone, keep in civil and remember Rule #1, always.

Now, I've got to ask - where exactly is Yodhrin a Moderator?

I think that's the first time I've ever been mistaken for someone in a position of authority by anyone, anywhere

 Bobthehero wrote:
I don't think that collectible thing is buying squads, I think we'll find e'm over the campaign so we don't end up with Terminators and Sternguards on the first mission. Kinda like we had collectible gear in DoW 2

PC Gamer article only said you collect squads in the campaign, so actually that's exactly like Soulstorm and Dark Crusade.

My hope is that that doesn't translate into multiplayer, but the PC Gamer article specifically said that's in singleplayer. I'm not too concerned about that until I hear anything about it encroaching into multiplayer, then it's meltdown time.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I don't think that collectible thing is buying squads, I think we'll find e'm over the campaign so we don't end up with Terminators and Sternguards on the first mission. Kinda like we had collectible gear in DoW 2

Agreed. Many times these are unlocked through quest chains.

 MLaw wrote:
Second, there are hundreds of tablet games that are centered around building bases and attacking with loads of troops that are all either F2P or super cheap. You then expand your capabilities or forces through micro-transactions.

Yeah. And this game ain't gonna be one of them. This isn't some F2P tablet game. This is a AAA game release.

They are full price, and nower days riddled with pre-order/store specific/Day1 DLC, season passes (Battlefront's cost US$50... the game was US$60!) and microtransactions (look at the recent Mortal Kombat - pay money to unlock 'simple fatalities', something that's on the disc when you buy it, but you have to pay extra to use it). If you think DoWIII will somehow be cheaper because of all the stuff SEGA is going to cut out of the game to sell to us later, then you are deluding yourself.

Anyone else notice the similarity between the Howling banshee and Predator, don't get me wrong I love it I just now wish the models looked like this.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I don't think that collectible thing is buying squads, I think we'll find e'm over the campaign so we don't end up with Terminators and Sternguards on the first mission. Kinda like we had collectible gear in DoW 2

It doesn't sound anything like collectible gear in DoW2. It sounds like collectible squads that are deployed at the start of a mission on the campaign map on Kronus in DoW1 - Dark Crusade and Soulstorm.

If it's that, then no problem. They already did that. When you started a mission in DoW1 or Soulstorm, you could deploy with a Killa Kan, a Nob squad, an elite stormboy squad, and a single Meganob. No big deal. You even had to use campaign map resources to do it, and you sacrificed garrison units.

Not sure about the skinny marine aesthetic.

Otherwise excited.

That Wraithknight vs Imperial Knight part in the trailer was supremely cool.

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Anyone else notice the similarity between the Howling banshee and Predator, don't get me wrong I love it I just now wish the models looked like this.

I absolutely adore the texturing on their armour. If that's supposed to be their take on Wraithbone, I'm all for it.

It's certainly a much better analogue for semi-living psychic material than the flat, shiny plastic that's usually shown.

The advanced plastics are cool too, but they're not supposed to be Wraithbone. What is and isn't Wraithbone in Eldar construction isn't clearly defined at all, but my take on it is that Wraithbone is primarily used as the base "skeleton" (pun not intended) of most items, normally laid over with their advanced plastics, but sometimes it's used as plating (particularly Aspect Armour). Kind of like the adamantium/ceramite relationship.

I do chuckle at all the dlc hate.

1) The WoC faction will be free for the 1st week as an early adopter bonus

2) PC game prices have not risen higher than inflation with the average RRP being 35-40 yet development cost has gone up 10 fold.

3) No one is forcing you to buy it, you can still enjoy the game IRS not like episodes where you pay £30 for 1 level (looking at you hitman).

What's even more amusing is your happy to pay £70 for a tabletop starter set yet don't bat an eye lid when paying £300 for a "DLC" army

 deathstalker013 wrote:
Anyone else notice the similarity between the Howling banshee and Predator, don't get me wrong I love it I just now wish the models looked like this.

Of course. There is no secret that GW "borrowed" the Predator Aesthetics for the minis.....

Daston wrote:
I do chuckle at all the dlc hate.

1) The WoC faction will be free for the 1st week as an early adopter bonus

2) PC game prices have not risen higher than inflation with the average RRP being 35-40 yet development cost has gone up 10 fold.

3) No one is forcing you to buy it, you can still enjoy the game IRS not like episodes where you pay £30 for 1 level (looking at you hitman).

What's even more amusing is your happy to pay £70 for a tabletop starter set yet don't bat an eye lid when paying £300 for a "DLC" army

Exalted for Truth.

Imperial Knights are getting some love in the past year or so.