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I mean, as one of the armies that doesn't get 8 codexes worth of transports to choose from I like the new ruling.

Necrons, orks, tau and nids have no battle brothers of different factions. Why should they get downsides just for not being a part of the imperium master race?

And you can still embark you just cant start embarked.

Also, does the one grenade per phase effect Melta Bombs?

Melta bombs seem different to me than grenades.

This would jack up a lot of 30k units that depend the on Melta bomb spam

That's tankbustas fethed then.

Thanks a bunch, one of the only reliable units in the orks codex basically nerfed.
Next wraithknight I see, I'm stamping on the fething thing.

Yeah, tankbustas did just get Tyrannosaurus Rekt.

I wonder if GW even realized.

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
Also, does the one grenade per phase effect Melta Bombs?

Melta bombs seem different to me than grenades.

This would jack up a lot of 30k units that depend the on Melta bomb spam

Considering melta bombs are in the 'Grenades of the 41st Millennium' section of the rulebook the answer is obviously yes, they are affected.

 Johnnytorrance wrote:
Also, does the one grenade per phase effect Melta Bombs?

Melta bombs seem different to me than grenades.

This would jack up a lot of 30k units that depend the on Melta bomb spam

Melta bombs are in the 40k grenades section.

 oni wrote:

Q: A ruin (e.g. a Shrine of the Aquila) is treated as difficult terrain, but does this mean that models can move through the walls?
A: No.

WHAT? The rulebook explicitly says I CAN go through walls. Are they reneging this, WTF?

I found d it in the 6th Ed book, but not in the new one, do you have a screen grab for it?

Makes my 30k lists easier I guess.
No point buying a whole unit melta bombs for a single attack when I can get the same from paying 5 for a Sgt with them.


Just glad I don't run my wych elves anymore.
Screwed is an understatement with how heavily I relied on haywire grenades back then lol.

Yeah that's definitely the kind of dramatic cost reassessment that shouldn't be in an online FAQ.

 Jackal wrote:
Makes my 30k lists easier I guess.
No point buying a whole unit melta bombs for a single attack when I can get the same from paying 5 for a Sgt with them.


Just glad I don't run my wych elves anymore.
Screwed is an understatement with how heavily I relied on haywire grenades back then lol.

There's still an argument for redundancy. While I've yet to bloody them, my EC will likely remove most Sgts fairly easily, and anyone can roll a couple of crappy dice!

Saves me 45 points a unit so I'm happy lol.

Tbh, I've never really had to rely on melta bombs anyway, I just take them to be on the safe side.
Ironic really considering I play salamanders loaded to the hilt with hammers.

Has no effect on my mechanicum army though.



I do think some units need a price adjustment now though like tank bustas.
All these units that pay a premium for special and regular grenades took a big hit from this.

Both tactical marines and tankbustas need a cost reassessment, yeah. So does anything that comes with multiple Haywire grenades.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Oh no I cannot field my army entirely composed of buildings any more..........

(hands up who asked that, and did they really ever try it?)

Never tried it, but must have been funny. These people are the real heroes.

Who asked that question anyhow? Party poopers.

Ok, so I guess I'm scratching "purchase, assemble and paint army consisting solely of Vengeance Weapon Batteries" off my bucket list. Deathwind Drop Pods it is then!

The grenade thing... that definitely worked in 6th. I think people just kept doing the same thing. I can field my helbrutes again!

 Don Savik wrote:


Necrons, orks, tau and nids have no battle brothers of different factions. Why should they get downsides just for not being a part of the imperium?.

Nids technically do have battle brothers now... they have the genestealer cult! (No transport yet though, until they bring back the limousine)

Dreadnoughts just got a whole lot better. Also, melta bombs will become more common, as a single attack with grenades will become more important.


Does the grenade rule of 1 attack per unit also apply if you have 1 IC with meltabomb and space marines with Krak grenades in the samme assault against say a dreadnought?

 Jackal wrote:
Makes my 30k lists easier I guess.
No point buying a whole unit melta bombs for a single attack when I can get the same from paying 5 for a Sgt with them.


Just glad I don't run my wych elves anymore.
Screwed is an understatement with how heavily I relied on haywire grenades back then lol.

Haha lol, not even Haywire Grenades can save Wyches now.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Flyers/FMCs with template and blast weapons can hit other Flyers/FMCs. Baleflamer buff! Also, Plasma Cannon Stormravens just became a thing. Also, the Helfrost weapons on the Space Wolf flyers became potent.

NOPE. Remeber that most flyers lost skyfire with death in the skies. Non of those weapons will be able to hit any flyer ever anyway still.

I'm sure there's plenty of us won't be buying DftS, therefore won't be playing by those rules.

ERJAK wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Flyers/FMCs with template and blast weapons can hit other Flyers/FMCs. Baleflamer buff! Also, Plasma Cannon Stormravens just became a thing. Also, the Helfrost weapons on the Space Wolf flyers became potent.

NOPE. Remeber that most flyers lost skyfire with death in the skies. Non of those weapons will be able to hit any flyer ever anyway still.

Flying Monstrous Creatures didn't, and template weapons don't roll to hit.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm sure there's plenty of us won't be buying DftS, therefore won't be playing by those rules.

Depending on who you play with that may or may not be a reasonable option. They are the most recent rules for those models, and anyone playing RAW will require you to.

Unless the book specifically says that both players can agree not to use it, new rules are new rules.

If there is no correction to the grenade ruling then walkers and mech armies got a good boost. I'm thinking armored company in particular.

I like to play games with my own made up rules too.

This is the 8th ? time we've seen 40k evolve and will take getting used to again. Much nashing of the teeth but we'll adapt as TFG will find more loopholes.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:


Flyers/FMCs with template and blast weapons can hit other Flyers/FMCs. Baleflamer buff! Also, Plasma Cannon Stormravens just became a thing. Also, the Helfrost weapons on the Space Wolf flyers became potent.

NOPE. Remeber that most flyers lost skyfire with death in the skies. Non of those weapons will be able to hit any flyer ever anyway still.

Flying Monstrous Creatures didn't, and template weapons don't roll to hit.

flying monstrous creatures with templates and blasts got pretty awesome I agree, however, other flyers rolling to hit is irrelevant, you can't target flyers with blasts or templates without skyfire still and DFTS takes skyfire away from most flyers.

 buddha wrote:
If there is no correction to the grenade ruling then walkers and mech armies got a good boost. I'm thinking armored company in particular.

Sounds fun. Vehicles that aren't Flyers or Super Heavies also get toe in cover saves now

 TedNugent wrote:
Both tactical marines and tankbustas need a cost reassessment, yeah. So does anything that comes with multiple Haywire grenades.

Tac Marines lose a bit on the Krak grenades, but ATSKNF is so strong that the price should stay about the same.
Tank Bustas got hit in CC with this change bad, but it doesn't really affect their price all that much- Base Ork boy is 6, adding a rokket launcher is 5, that takes us to 11. They have Tank Hunter which is worth a point or so per model. End result is 1 point per model for a melta bomb, which is fair with the new rules.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
Makes my 30k lists easier I guess.
No point buying a whole unit melta bombs for a single attack when I can get the same from paying 5 for a Sgt with them.


Just glad I don't run my wych elves anymore.
Screwed is an understatement with how heavily I relied on haywire grenades back then lol.

Haha lol, not even Haywire Grenades can save Wyches now.

It makes so much sense now. They probably didn't think the Haywire loss was a nerf to Wyches in the first place because they had assumed only 1 CC Grenade Attack.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 buddha wrote:
If there is no correction to the grenade ruling then walkers and mech armies got a good boost. I'm thinking armored company in particular.

Sounds fun. Vehicles that aren't Flyers or Super Heavies also get toe in cover saves now

No. Vehicle rules are still unchanged in regards to cover. Those rules were never in question.

Some interesting stuff, some odd stuff, some really dumb and contradicting stuff (one FAQ page says you can, the next says you can't for the exact same thing.


Thing that annoys me is can single models multicharge? Yes?!
How do you do that then? Rulebook says you can't as you move the base into contact with the nearest model.

So my Saint Celestine can declare a charge against 10 different units? She moves into base contact with one unit and the rest has to pile into her?

This ruling is very dumb and you need to rewrite the rules for multi assaults to do this. Do you have to get into base contact with all units you are charging? What if you roll a 6" distance which gets you into contact with one unit but not the other(s)?


Grenade thing is a HUGE nerf, especially to armies that have to buy grenades per model. Whole unit of 20 take melta bombs for 5pts per model, but only 1 can ever use one per phase.

Buying grenades for units will be worthless, you'd only buy for the character and no one else.


Another strange ruling is that you can't intercept drop pods but you can shoot (intercept) the units disembarking from them.


DE are almost useless now, if you jink with your skimmers you can only snap fire with the transported models. Paper armour and you will only be able to hit on 6s?

No more Eldar using DE Raiders during deployment or from reserves, heck this goes for everyone.
Feel sad for people who bought Drop Pods for their Sisters.


Another interesting thing is that allot of Xeno template weapons aren't flamers. Example would be all Nid templates, so Salamanders would get no FNP save against Nid template weapons.

I think the Hemlock Wraithfighter might have just become the best anti-flyer in the game, Strength D blasts can now be fired at other flyers with Skyfire (so long as your not using Death from the Skies, a supplement I expect to never see getting used).