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Heh, man I misread the title change of "Sob/Inq done now" at first glance.

I read it as sobbing, I was like, someone really thinks people are done crying about some of these changes?

FAQ drafts for Imperial Knights, Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults are up:

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Good knight rulings. Was a little surprised they only gave allies of convenience status to genestealer cults and tyranids but better than nothing.

lol never seen them nerf a faction before they actually have a book before. that's pretty hilarious, even for GW.

Just LOL is all I can say as a Tyranid player. Seriously, allies of convenience?

Funny, there was a heated debate when gsc came out with the 2 sides saying they were either battle brothers or co.d the apocalypse. Apparently games workshop just split the difference.

It is still a draft, so if people leave feedback (properly, do it constructively, don't be a dick about it like I've already seen on there) on the Facebook page it might be changed in the final FAQ. I don't see any reason they shouldn't be BB.

Responses have ranged from "Umm...wut?" to "SERIOUSLY, GW, WHAT THE EFF?!?!". I strongly suspect that this will end up getting changed.

Maybe the idea is that the cult isn't an integral part of the Hive Organism and has no effective means of communicating with, or being directed by the Hive Mind or any of the creatures from the Hivefleet proper? Haven't read much Tyranid or GSC fluff in a dog's age, so maybe I'm wrong on that.

the FB page specifically says they're looking for clarity (i.e. can you understand what we wrote?) and not whether we agree with them or not.

they're not getting substantially changed.

Why is everyone so broken up about it? Sure, it sucks that you can't pull some of the BB shenanigans, but Nids finally have an Ally with useful stuff that doesn't have to worry about deployment crap and can be used at events that don't allow CtA. I love bringing AoC allies with my Necrons. And the Cult units aren't that bad at all, those cheap troops with half range Lascannons are pretty solid.

The only thing that realy bother is the part about the psyhic power who could not be cast on tyranids or tyranids power who will not be able to cast on the genestealer cult, it's weird they could not help each other.... and don't help to play them rather than only tyranids.
To my mind i don't think it was gw first intend.

We don't know what's in the GSC codex. If it has transports for example I can see why they're doing this.

not to mention that whole nids eating all the cult post battle ^^

yeah and SW and DA and GK and the inquisition are all battle brothers. don't try to justify this with fluff.

 gigasnail wrote:
yeah and SW and DA and GK and the inquisition are all battle brothers. don't try to justify this with fluff.

All those chapters are loyal members of the imperium who would die for it. What's your point?
The fact of the matter is that GSC are not tyranids. The very fact that you CAN ally should be reassuring alone, but no, you want to eat the cake too.
If GSC were to be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, it could potentially kill a great many future options for us. For example, we would know that they weren't getting Dedicated Transports, because GW obviously doesnt believe nids can drive.
Instead we got AoC, which in my opinion works just fine without having weird things like Tyranid Primes leading cultist squads. Cuz, you know that would happen.

Neronoxx wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
yeah and SW and DA and GK and the inquisition are all battle brothers. don't try to justify this with fluff.

All those chapters are loyal members of the imperium who would die for it. What's your point?
The fact of the matter is that GSC are not tyranids. The very fact that you CAN ally should be reassuring alone, but no, you want to eat the cake too.
If GSC were to be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, it could potentially kill a great many future options for us. For example, we would know that they weren't getting Dedicated Transports, because GW obviously doesnt believe nids can drive.
Instead we got AoC, which in my opinion works just fine without having weird things like Tyranid Primes leading cultist squads. Cuz, you know that would happen.

But that would happen, the cults destabilise the government's etc. Then when the hive arrives they come out of hiding to attack. The patriarchs are there purely to summon hive tendrils.

They even have some of the exact same units in both lists, there's little reason they shouldn't function as battle brothers, fluff or rules wise.

I don't play Tyranids but this is major BS. The whole point of the cult is to the help the hive fleet. That's what they do.

It's not like it would make all that powerful either.

I think everyone should leave their feedback and let them know that doesn't make any sense.

I am opposed to any decision that does not allow hive tyrants to drive limousines.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I am opposed to any decision that does not allow hive tyrants to drive limousines.

That'd be great, can imagine a talon poking out the sunroof get him some shades too

Neronoxx wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:
yeah and SW and DA and GK and the inquisition are all battle brothers. don't try to justify this with fluff.

All those chapters are loyal members of the imperium who would die for it. What's your point?
The fact of the matter is that GSC are not tyranids. The very fact that you CAN ally should be reassuring alone, but no, you want to eat the cake too.
If GSC were to be Battle Brothers with Tyranids, it could potentially kill a great many future options for us. For example, we would know that they weren't getting Dedicated Transports, because GW obviously doesnt believe nids can drive.
Instead we got AoC, which in my opinion works just fine without having weird things like Tyranid Primes leading cultist squads. Cuz, you know that would happen.

annnd all of the factions i listed have long standing grudges and hate each other and realllly don't work together well but are still BB is my point. but w/e.

So for two months GW led Tyranid players to believe they could BB with Genestealer Cult, as per the wording in the White Dwarf would suggest. People bought the crap (and the models). Now we're suddenly AoC, can't cast Invisibility on Tyranid units (nerf) can't join GSC characters to Tyranid units (big nerf) and GSC can't infiltrate close to Tyranids as they counts as enemy models (HUGE nerf).

And from how it's worded, it seems 3pt Servo Skulls will continue to shut down the 600pts Ghosar formation. You get to keep your Infiltrate special rule (and the others). But you don't get a special permission to Infiltrate within 12" of Servo Skulls. Seeing how now you can't infiltrate within 18" from your own Tyranids either, I guess you're not infiltrating at all. What was the point of the formation again?

If I were trying to intentionally piss off and troll my customers, I could not do a better job than GW does with Tyranid players.

 N.I.B. wrote:
So for two months GW led Tyranid players to believe they could BB with Genestealer Cult, as per the wording in the White Dwarf would suggest. People bought the crap (and the models). Now we're suddenly AoC, can't cast Invisibility on Tyranid units (nerf) can't join GSC characters to Tyranid units (big nerf) and GSC can't infiltrate close to Tyranids as they counts as enemy models (HUGE nerf).

And from how it's worded, it seems 3pt Servo Skulls will continue to shut down the 600pts Ghosar formation. You get to keep your Infiltrate special rule (and the others). But you don't get a special permission to Infiltrate within 12" of Servo Skulls. Seeing how now you can't infiltrate within 18" from your own Tyranids either, I guess you're not infiltrating at all. What was the point of the formation again?

If I were trying to intentionally piss off and troll my customers, I could not do a better job than GW does with Tyranid players.

Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
Yes apparently, because Tyranids are 'weak' and need it.
That's not even relevant. Like, really don't bring that up in the disguise of balance. GSC were not the 'fix' to the Tyranid codex and were never intended to be. Trying to blame GW for that seems irresponsible and childish, as if people need to find something to be mad at them for.

Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.

As per the FAQ, it asks whether the infiltration rule is negated by servo-skulls and the like.
The answer is a resounding "no." Not sure where people got the idea that was any different, but hey, reading comprehension isn't a requirement to posting.
Nevermind the fact people seemingly didn't partake at all in the original thread for DW where this was all discussed painstakingly and we already discovered AoC was what the fluff supported.
Nevermind the fact that people seem to (mistakenly) believe that a large number of people bought the game for any other reason than the fact the models were cool.
Nevermind the fact that 40k is a game about fluff. This is a apparent the day you walk into the hobby. The game runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.'

TLDR Power Gamers are sad, Read the fluff, don't try and play the victim.
/rant
edited to not hurt feelings.

^ Besides your post being excessively belligerent and honestly unwarranted, let me just say really? That's your argument given the ridiculous super friends/inquisitor combinations everyone runs?

Wow. And here we have proof that fluff-bunnies can be just as exclusionary, if not more so, than 'waac' players...

Some Rule#1-hammer incoming methinks...

People get so het up over mandollies. Le sigh.

Neronoxx wrote:

Spoiler:

 N.I.B. wrote:
So for two months GW led Tyranid players to believe they could BB with Genestealer Cult, as per the wording in the White Dwarf would suggest. People bought the crap (and the models). Now we're suddenly AoC, can't cast Invisibility on Tyranid units (nerf) can't join GSC characters to Tyranid units (big nerf) and GSC can't infiltrate close to Tyranids as they counts as enemy models (HUGE nerf).

And from how it's worded, it seems 3pt Servo Skulls will continue to shut down the 600pts Ghosar formation. You get to keep your Infiltrate special rule (and the others). But you don't get a special permission to Infiltrate within 12" of Servo Skulls. Seeing how now you can't infiltrate within 18" from your own Tyranids either, I guess you're not infiltrating at all. What was the point of the formation again?

If I were trying to intentionally piss off and troll my customers, I could not do a better job than GW does with Tyranid players.

Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
Yes apparently, because Tyranids are 'weak' and need it.
That's not even relevant. Like, really don't bring that up in the disguise of balance. GSC were not the 'fix' to the Tyranid codex and were never intended to be. Trying to blame GW for that seems irresponsible and childish, as if you need to find something to be mad at them for.

Go back, reread the fluff and you will find a tenous, at best circumstantially cooperative nature between GSC and Tyranids.

As per the FAQ, it asks whether the infiltration rule is negated by servo-skulls and the like.
The answer is a resounding "no." Not sure where you got the idea that was any different, but hey, reading comprehension isn't a requirement to posting.
Nevermind the fact you seemingly didn't partake at all in the original thread for DW where this was all discussed painstakingly and we already discovered AoC was what the fluff supported.
Nevermind the fact that you seem to (mistakenly) believe that a large number of people bought the game for any other reason than the fact the models were cool.
Nevermind the fact that 40k is a game about fluff. This is a pparent the day you walk into the hobby. The runs on fluff, and not much else. It doesn't always accomplish this, but when it does I guess i shouldn't be surprised that people call it 'nerfs.'

TLDR Power Gamers are sad, Read the fluff, dont try and play the victim.
/rant

The faction that literally includes Tyranid units(Genestealers and Broodlords-which they revere as their leader), isn't allowed to be Battle Brothers with Tyranids. This is not some power gaming complaint. They are Tyranids who aren't allowed to fully ally with Tyranids. It makes no sense. You're trying to say the army of half human/half Tyranid monsters wouldn't fall under synapse control, or at the least follow their Broodlord anyway? They're already trying to take over the world- the arrival of the Tyranids changes nothing. Just brings in reinforcements.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
I am opposed to any decision that does not allow hive tyrants to drive limousines.

After considering the consequences of loosing BB this was actually not neccessary to prevent 'Tyranid shenanigans'. They could just write some GC armywide special rules like Tyranids are not allowed to lead GC units, or Tyranids are not allowed to enter any of the GC transports. Another possibilty would be to add special rules to the GC vehicles, like they did with Space Marine Terminators and Rhinos.

Regarding explanations based on fluff, Tyranid creatures are digested after a battle too This is not something special to cult members.

By their DNA, the Genestealer Cult units (excluding the currently ruleswise non-existent Brood Brothers) are indeed Tyranids. We know the Patriarch is in some kind of contact with the Hive mind during his entire existence. And Genestealers - the start and the end of the Genestealer reproduction cycle - are without doubt Tyranids. Loosing BB does not make sense.

Don't try and argue that you want BB status for anything other than sheer gaming advantage now.
The sheer fact of the matter is that none of the complaints/complainers are forgetting one simple fact - The Hive mind DOES NOT CARE.
It arrives and consumes all biomass. Including the cult.
Does that sound like "Best Buddies" to you? One side eating the other while the former holds an objective?
Yes apparently, because Tyranids are 'weak' and need it.
That's not even relevant. Like, really don't bring that up in the disguise of balance. GSC were not the 'fix' to the Tyranid codex and were never intended to be. Trying to blame GW for that seems irresponsible and childish, as if you need to find something to be mad at them for.

Hmm to be fair the Imperium DOES NOT CARE either - thats kinda the Grim Dark point?

They are quite happy to exterminatus the whole planet of defenders...............

If you can defend the fact that all Imperial forces are BB with each other than surely all Tryanid forces would also be - stands to reason? Be a bit like saying Blood Axes are not BB with Goffs, or Ulthwe are not with Iiyanden?

Up to the point that the FAQ was published there was not defintaive statement on their alliance status - so it has come as a surpirse to many - however no point in us getting upset here - People should ask polietly why this is the case on the Fb page.