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 EnTyme wrote:
I think it may be time to dust off that old 35 drop pod list I saw on dakka a few months back. May be one of the most broken lists in the game now.

I wouldn't think so... On a standard table, even with no terrain or other models I don't think that many pods would physically fit on the board.

 EnTyme wrote:
I think it may be time to dust off that old 35 drop pod list I saw on dakka a few months back. May be one of the most broken lists in the game now.

It's be very likely to kill many of its own units. And if it doesn't, it'll finally give Battle Cannons something to do in 40k again. So go for it. Your opponents might appreciate it.

 insaniak wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I think it may be time to dust off that old 35 drop pod list I saw on dakka a few months back. May be one of the most broken lists in the game now.

I wouldn't think so... On a standard table, even with no terrain or other models I don't think that many pods would physically fit on the board.

WALLS FOR THE WALL GOD! TOWERS FOR THE MAZE THRONE!

 Swampmist wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 EnTyme wrote:
I think it may be time to dust off that old 35 drop pod list I saw on dakka a few months back. May be one of the most broken lists in the game now.

I wouldn't think so... On a standard table, even with no terrain or other models I don't think that many pods would physically fit on the board.

WALLS FOR THE WALL GOD! TOWERS FOR THE MAZE THRONE!

Honestly, playing a xenos race/chaos warband trying to get offworld while the marines are full deploying sounds like a half decent narrative to be forged. Imagine it, scurrying back to your ships/warp portals/whatever, and trying to get there before getting overwhelmed by the chapter dropping reinforcements in, pod after pod after pod.

Could work for playing against Tyranids as well, with them dropping spores that blow up and spawn guys as well.

Just noticed something.

In the Dawn of War 3 Trailer, the drop pods come down, doors open, and the marines walk on the doors.

The doors are terrain, according to DoW3.

Obviously not directly relevant to our game, but SOMEBODY at GW disagrees with this FAQ.

 JimOnMars wrote:
Just noticed something.

In the Dawn of War 3 Trailer, the drop pods come down, doors open, and the marines walk on the doors.

The doors are terrain, according to DoW3.

Well, no, they're just ramps. The guys in a Rhino walk down the back ramp as well.... That doesn't make it terrain, just a means of egress.

Obviously not directly relevant to our game, but SOMEBODY at GW disagrees with this FAQ.

Not actually in any way relevant to the table top game.... but also doesn't actually make am argument for any particular interpretation of the rules.

Maybe I'm cray-cray... but, deploying doors during deepstriking sees more of a disadvantage, than advantage.

Why?

Because the SM player is going to account for the table edge to mitigate mishaps. Thus, bunching the pods towards the center of the table.

In malestorm missions... just place your obj as close to the table edge as possible.

In addition, your army will still need to deal with drop pods, so assuming it's deployed with the doors out, it'll be easier to get into CC by the nature of it's larger footprint to bust open the pods.

Or, am I smoking some there?

 Formosa wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Eh. Drop pods should be abstracted as Deep Strike and the model not be required anyway. Kinda silly to plonk this massive spendy bit of plastic down just to do what amounts to Deep Striking. But I know that doesn't help here.

They used to be, and prior to that it was a special mission from codex space marines, then people kept whining at GW to make the model, then GW made the model, now you want the model to go and have an abstract... circles within circles, the dark angels approve!

Not even mission but special way to deploy all foot marine army.

Did require them to forego all vechiles though.


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 whembly wrote:
In addition, your army will still need to deal with drop pods, so assuming it's deployed with the doors out, it'll be easier to get into CC by the nature of it's larger footprint to bust open the pods.

Or, am I smoking some there?

Who CC's in the shooty edition? Especially in tournament settings with their turkey shoot gallery tables...

Who CC's in the shooty edition? Especially in tournament settings with their turkey shoot gallery tables...

BA tries SW does. Certain marine units (looking at you IH CM Smash and Command squad) are quite effective in cc (about all we IH have left is Smash and he isn't even fluff compliant). There are a few other units here and there that are quite effective in cc when tooled correctly and used right. But , unfortunately, like you said for the most cc is the red headed step child of 40k.

 NorseSig wrote:

Who CC's in the shooty edition? Especially in tournament settings with their turkey shoot gallery tables...

BA tries SW does. Certain marine units (looking at you IH CM Smash and Command squad) are quite effective in cc (about all we IH have left is Smash and he isn't even fluff compliant). There are a few other units here and there that are quite effective in cc when tooled correctly and used right. But , unfortunately, like you said for the most cc is the red headed step child of 40k.

Assault is still extremely powerful. Anything that can sweep shooting/important units or tie up/instagib a GC/SHV are very relevant in the game right now. Just because Assault Marines aren't good doesn't mean the act of charging things is a bad decision.

tneva82 wrote:

Who CC's in the shooty edition? Especially in tournament settings with their turkey shoot gallery tables...

Sure, the crummy battlecannon is the reason people are using Imperial Knights...

 DarknessEternal wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Who CC's in the shooty edition? Especially in tournament settings with their turkey shoot gallery tables...

Sure, the crummy battlecannon is the reason people are using Imperial Knights...

Exactly, and my Wraithknight contributes mostly with his Scatter Lasers. That giant fething sword and shield are just decoration. Yeah.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Who CC's in the shooty edition? Especially in tournament settings with their turkey shoot gallery tables...

Sure, the crummy battlecannon is the reason people are using Imperial Knights...

Exactly, and my Wraithknight contributes mostly with his Scatter Lasers. That giant fething sword and shield are just decoration. Yeah.

Yes, the RANGED STR D CANNONS totally aren't the main selling point of the Wraithknight. No sir!

NEW FAQ.

Optional Rule: Space Wolfves, Grey Knights and BA Dreadnauts get 2 more attacks, IF you can browbeat your friends into houseruling it.

OY.

Stop forcing us to rule lawyer our friends!

New FAQ:

Space Wolves and Dark Angels treat each other as Allies of Convenience. The tears would be hilarious.

Edit: for clarity, this is a wishlist. Didn't see the new FAQ when this was posted.

 Lukash_ wrote:
New FAQ:

Space Wolves and Dark Angels treat each other as Allies of Convenience. The tears would be hilarious.

Where did you see this? Read the sheets 4 times and haven't noticed that yet.

Mostly disappointed that they didn't address servitors or lone wolves in elite slots in the company of the great wolf.

 buddha wrote:

 Lukash_ wrote:
New FAQ:

Space Wolves and Dark Angels treat each other as Allies of Convenience. The tears would be hilarious.

Where did you see this? Read the sheets 4 times and haven't noticed that yet.

Wishlisting.

 Lukash_ wrote:

 buddha wrote:

 Lukash_ wrote:
New FAQ:

Space Wolves and Dark Angels treat each other as Allies of Convenience. The tears would be hilarious.

Where did you see this? Read the sheets 4 times and haven't noticed that yet.

Wishlisting.

Lol gotcha.

 JimOnMars wrote:
NEW FAQ.

Optional Rule: Space Wolfves, Grey Knights and BA Dreadnauts get 2 more attacks, IF you can browbeat your friends into houseruling it.

OY.

Stop forcing us to rule lawyer our friends!

<sigh>

I understand that it is outside the realm of a FAQ to change the rule (or should be). but these FB posts are also encompassing some actual errata. Instead of whembeling about with “we think it should be this, but aren’t going to change it.” they could have just changed it!

It’s OK to recognize that you’ve made mistakes, game balance has changed, and fix things. How hard would that be? They might actually sell some dread kits while they are at it...

<grumble>

 Nevelon wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
NEW FAQ.

Optional Rule: Space Wolfves, Grey Knights and BA Dreadnauts get 2 more attacks, IF you can browbeat your friends into houseruling it.

OY.

Stop forcing us to rule lawyer our friends!

<sigh>

I understand that it is outside the realm of a FAQ to change the rule (or should be). but these FB posts are also encompassing some actual errata. Instead of whembeling about with “we think it should be this, but aren’t going to change it.” they could have just changed it!

It’s OK to recognize that you’ve made mistakes, game balance has changed, and fix things. How hard would that be? They might actually sell some dread kits while they are at it...

<grumble>

It's not surprising to me. The ruling is as follows: "We think BA/SW/GK Dreads are fine at 2 attacks, but if your group really thinks they should have the same amount as C:SM or DA Dreads, feel free. Our design team doesn't think it needs a full adjustment at this time, but here's an 'official house rule' that your friends may choose to use."

That seems reasonable, imo.

It's GW's own team that came to that conclusion not those who asked the question. Hence why it was improved in the last codex's. I can appreciate that they will get round to it but for me I'm happy for this to apply across the board even for hellbrute's.
Well done GW for once but I still don't understand why they don't errata it.

https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/pcb.1632423303744969/1632421947078438/?type=3&theater

Some of those were answerable by the book themselves.

Not sure how I feel about Iron Priest spam...you could literally fun a whole army of them now.

I like how they did a +2 bonus to Dreadnought attacks as opposed to a flat base profile. Means the special CC Dreadnoughts get more attacks as they should

People still used dreads for cc?

 Frozocrone wrote:

I like how they did a +2 bonus to Dreadnought attacks as opposed to a flat base profile. Means the special CC Dreadnoughts get more attacks as they should

?
Only if your opponent agrees to use house rules (you never needed a FAQ to ask your opponent to change rules)

 kodos wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

I like how they did a +2 bonus to Dreadnought attacks as opposed to a flat base profile. Means the special CC Dreadnoughts get more attacks as they should

?
Only if your opponent agrees to use house rules (you never needed a FAQ to ask your opponent to change rules)

Yep. First you and your opponent need to argue about using the house rule. Winner of the argument gets to decide whether or not the bonus applies.

What garage group/FLGS/TO would not choose to use the +2 attack rule? It obviously balances out the same models with the same rule.
Seriously, I'd love to hear someone's story about how someone was jaded enough not to allow it....and then proceed to use their 4 attack space marine dread against the 2 attack one.

It is not specific about that special case, but I know a lot of gamers in the club which play strict by the rules without any house rules.
And than there are those special people that only accept house rules that change rules which are considered stupid by them (while a Codex profile is like it is, we had that back in 3rd/4th with the assault cannon and the BT Codex in 5th)

And I understand those who want to play without any house rules.
If you start once changing every broken rule and Codex profile in 40k you get a complete new game

First one ask to increase the Dreadnought attacks because of the FAQ
The other one now wants to get some units cheaper, another one to increase the attacks of his Carnifex, the next one wants to increase the points of another unit etc
So the only solution to keep everyone happy is to skip house rules at all

 JimOnMars wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

I like how they did a +2 bonus to Dreadnought attacks as opposed to a flat base profile. Means the special CC Dreadnoughts get more attacks as they should

?
Only if your opponent agrees to use house rules (you never needed a FAQ to ask your opponent to change rules)

Yep. First you and your opponent need to argue about using the house rule. Winner of the argument gets to decide whether or not the bonus applies.

They really need to expand the Argument Phase as the current "roll a D6" resolution mechanic lacks tactical depth. They should add a few tables to roll on. Oh and give bonuses for Chaplains, Dark Apostles and Ethereals too!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:

 kodos wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

I like how they did a +2 bonus to Dreadnought attacks as opposed to a flat base profile. Means the special CC Dreadnoughts get more attacks as they should

?
Only if your opponent agrees to use house rules (you never needed a FAQ to ask your opponent to change rules)

Yep. First you and your opponent need to argue about using the house rule. Winner of the argument gets to decide whether or not the bonus applies.

They really need to expand the Argument Phase as the current "roll a D6" resolution mechanic lacks tactical depth. They should add a few tables to roll on. Oh and give bonuses for Chaplains, Dark Apostles and Ethereals too!

+1 for "Argument Phase"!!