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2016/08/10 17:44:19
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Yeah, literally all 4 answers are to questions that no one needed to have asked. I'm not if GW is just being redundant, or if some players really aren't that smart.
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adamsouza wrote:Tyranid players, please take this chance to complain on Facebook that forcing normally deepstriking units to footslog after they have been returned to ongoing reserves is terrible.
Because they aren't returning. It is a functionally new unit being brought to the field via Ongoing Reserves. This isn't Skyleap, Burrow, or a Flyer where a unit that existed at the beginning of the game has left in to Reserves to return again. Much like Conjuring Daemons or the Tervigon's Brood, it is a brand new unit as far as the game is concerned.
That having been said, Ongoing Reserves is functionally the same as Reserves aside from timing of return. And when you put a unit with all models having the Deep Strike special rule in Reserves, you can declare it to be Deep Striking (but not Outflank, Outflank specifically restricts this), which is often called Deep Strike Reserves.
I understand that it is a new unit, which is exactly why I think they should be able to deploy via deepstrike.
Are you trying to make the argument that they can ? I'm confused about what your intent is with the second paragraph.
Do you guys think the Necron Obelisk will be more competitive if they rule the Tesla Sphere has a 360 degree firing arc? I'm sitting on the fence about getting one.
2016/08/10 18:44:38
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Wow...what a worthless GKFAQ. Was hoping for an Errata. "Purifiers should have the deep strike special rule." Not just 3 questions everyone already knew the answer to.
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2016/08/10 19:20:30
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
The dreadnoughts were changed for consistency sake, since those in Codex Space Marines already had the increased number of attacks.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2016/08/10 19:55:00
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Tyranids added 8/03)
adamsouza wrote:Tyranid players, please take this chance to complain on Facebook that forcing normally deepstriking units to footslog after they have been returned to ongoing reserves is terrible.
Because they aren't returning. It is a functionally new unit being brought to the field via Ongoing Reserves. This isn't Skyleap, Burrow, or a Flyer where a unit that existed at the beginning of the game has left in to Reserves to return again. Much like Conjuring Daemons or the Tervigon's Brood, it is a brand new unit as far as the game is concerned.
That having been said, Ongoing Reserves is functionally the same as Reserves aside from timing of return. And when you put a unit with all models having the Deep Strike special rule in Reserves, you can declare it to be Deep Striking (but not Outflank, Outflank specifically restricts this), which is often called Deep Strike Reserves.
I understand that it is a new unit, which is exactly why I think they should be able to deploy via deepstrike.
Are you trying to make the argument that they can ? I'm confused about what your intent is with the second paragraph.
You said that they are "forcing normally deepstriking units to footslog after they have been returned to ongoing reserves". There is nothing returning, so this scenario isn't playing out.
They should be able to be put in Deep Strike Reserves when placed in Ongoing Reserves. Unlike Outflank, Deep Strike does not have a restriction against putting a unit going in to Ongoing Reserves in to Deep Strike Reserves. And you declare a unit to be Deep Striking when you put it in Reserves. Ongoing Reserves IS Reserves with a change of timing (both of entry and arrival from), and it says so itself.
JimOnMars wrote:How many times have we been through this? NO BUFFS in the FAQs, except dreads for some reason.
Explaining the targeting range of the Tesla Orbs would not fit in to the usual definition of "buffs" that people have been calling for. Remember the Hell drake and it's 360 degree mouth for the Bale Flamer?
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2016/08/10 19:55:25
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2016/08/10 20:52:58
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Kap'n Krump wrote: Boy, list of needed FAQs is getting pretty short. Think it's down to necrons and demons now.
Wonder what they're going to do with all this information and updates.
In the comments they said were working hard at compiling the final faqs, based on feedback, so some answers may change.
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2016/08/10 21:07:06
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Kap'n Krump wrote: Boy, list of needed FAQs is getting pretty short. Think it's down to necrons and demons now.
Wonder what they're going to do with all this information and updates.
In the comments they said were working hard at compiling the final faqs, based on feedback, so some answers may change.
Don't get your hopes up they are not changing rules or reversing faqs.
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2016/08/10 21:24:44
Subject: Re:40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
chrispy1991 wrote: What the feth? Yarrick still doesn't get stubborn, but every other commissar does?!
Helbrecht's been asking a similar question regarding his Orbital Bombardment for several years now.
Why would you ever expect the highest commander of a fleet-based chapter should have Orbital Bombardment; I mean, that is just babytown frolics.
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2016/08/11 14:08:39
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
JimOnMars wrote: How many times have we been through this? NO BUFFS in the FAQs, except dreads for some reason.
There have been several Erratas. We are talking about stuff that is obviously a misprint - like the warpspiders errata. Grey-knights teleport into battle - all of them do. There is no reason why purifiers shouldn't have deep strike just like strike squads. This would be akin to GKT having deep strike but Paladins not having it.
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2016/08/11 14:18:01
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Obviously GW doesn't consider the Purifiers a misprint.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2016/08/11 14:19:55
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
JimOnMars wrote: How many times have we been through this? NO BUFFS in the FAQs, except dreads for some reason.
There have been several Erratas. We are talking about stuff that is obviously a misprint - like the warpspiders errata. Grey-knights teleport into battle - all of them do. There is no reason why purifiers shouldn't have deep strike just like strike squads. This would be akin to GKT having deep strike but Paladins not having it.
Why is the Warp Spider rule obviously a misprint?
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2016/08/11 15:55:31
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
JimOnMars wrote: How many times have we been through this? NO BUFFS in the FAQs, except dreads for some reason.
There have been several Erratas. We are talking about stuff that is obviously a misprint - like the warpspiders errata. Grey-knights teleport into battle - all of them do. There is no reason why purifiers shouldn't have deep strike just like strike squads. This would be akin to GKT having deep strike but Paladins not having it.
Why is the Warp Spider rule obviously a misprint?
Because it allowed a unit to move infinite times in it's opponents turn? Clearly a misprint.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
2016/08/11 16:22:50
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Am I the only Eldar player that thinks all Aspect warriors should have their special snow-flake rules removed? Spider lose Flickerjump Dragons lose Assured Destruction Hawk lose Intercept Avengers Lose Counter Tactics Spear lose 4+ cover rule
I forget what Banshees, Scorpions and Reapers get, but you see where I am going. Those special powers should all be rules that their respective Phoenix Lords give to the squad if joined to their Aspect. and USRs should be given by Exarchs, Like Tank Hunters for Dragons, and Hit & Run for Spears.
Since Spiders don't have a Phoenix Lord, that would essentially get ride of Flickerjump
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Galef wrote: Am I the only Eldar player that thinks all Aspect warriors should have their special snow-flake rules removed?
Spider lose Flickerjump
Dragons lose Assured Destruction
Hawk lose Intercept
Avengers Lose Counter Tactics
Spear lose 4+ cover rule
I forget what Banshees, Scorpions and Reapers get, but you see where I am going. Those special powers should all be rules that their respective Phoenix Lords give to the squad if joined to their Aspect. and USRs should be given by Exarchs, Like Tank Hunters for Dragons, and Hit & Run for Spears.
Since Spiders don't have a Phoenix Lord, that would essentially get ride of Flickerjump
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Maybe? I mean, I disagree with you at least. I think there's a lot of flavor in their special snowflake rules. Some can be toned down (like flickerjump, obviously), but having something special gives them a lot of cool-factor. Otherwise, it's basically taking the same profile and just calling it Aspect Warriors, then you select a loadout of gear for the whole unit.
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2016/08/11 17:02:50
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Galef wrote: Am I the only Eldar player that thinks all Aspect warriors should have their special snow-flake rules removed?
Spider lose Flickerjump
Dragons lose Assured Destruction
Hawk lose Intercept
Avengers Lose Counter Tactics
Spear lose 4+ cover rule
I forget what Banshees, Scorpions and Reapers get, but you see where I am going. Those special powers should all be rules that their respective Phoenix Lords give to the squad if joined to their Aspect. and USRs should be given by Exarchs, Like Tank Hunters for Dragons, and Hit & Run for Spears.
Since Spiders don't have a Phoenix Lord, that would essentially get ride of Flickerjump
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Really it's just dragons and spiders that are over the top.
If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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2016/08/11 18:30:38
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Okay, I'm feeling dense today so I have to ask about one of the GK answers - the one where they say a unit can't start in an allied transport. I know they can't start in a dedicated transport, but (until the FAQ), where did it say you couldn't have the unit start in an allied transport if a) they were battle brothers and b) it was purchased not as a dedicated transport? Battle Brothers says you can embark on allied transports, this ruling seemed to negate that (maybe they were thinking only of dedicated transports and forget there's another type?)
2016/08/11 18:35:59
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
doctortom wrote: Okay, I'm feeling dense today so I have to ask about one of the GK answers - the one where they say a unit can't start in an allied transport. I know they can't start in a dedicated transport, but (until the FAQ), where did it say you couldn't have the unit start in an allied transport if a) they were battle brothers and b) it was purchased not as a dedicated transport? Battle Brothers says you can embark on allied transports, this ruling seemed to negate that (maybe they were thinking only of dedicated transports and forget there's another type?)
This ruling isn't new. They stated the same in the main rulebook draft FAQ posted back at the beginning of May.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2016/08/11 18:38:39
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Galef wrote: Am I the only Eldar player that thinks all Aspect warriors should have their special snow-flake rules removed?
Spider lose Flickerjump
Dragons lose Assured Destruction
Hawk lose Intercept
Avengers Lose Counter Tactics
Spear lose 4+ cover rule
I forget what Banshees, Scorpions and Reapers get, but you see where I am going. Those special powers should all be rules that their respective Phoenix Lords give to the squad if joined to their Aspect. and USRs should be given by Exarchs, Like Tank Hunters for Dragons, and Hit & Run for Spears.
Since Spiders don't have a Phoenix Lord, that would essentially get ride of Flickerjump
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Really it's just dragons and spiders that are over the top.
Agreed, but all the others are meh at best. So we have 2 over the top powers and a bunch of meh ones. Lets just drop them entirely.
No one thought anything was missing from Aspects in the 6th ed Eldar Codex. I'm not suggesting to get rid of all the Aspect specific stuff, just suggesting that the PLs are the one that grant it to their Aspect. Like Drazhar does for Incubi.
The Aspects themselves should just have Wargear differences. What makes Dragons unique? Melta-guns.
Exarchs can provide a slight special rule to make them "cool". Buy an Exarch for those Dragons, now they have Tank-Hunter.
PLs would them provide special snow-flake rules like "Assured Destruction"
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But the ruling in the GKFAQ does reaffirm the ruling in the BRBFAQ... so that probably won't be overturned in the final release. So good-bye BA Taxicabs
2016/08/11 18:43:31
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
Galef wrote: Am I the only Eldar player that thinks all Aspect warriors should have their special snow-flake rules removed?
Spider lose Flickerjump
Dragons lose Assured Destruction
Hawk lose Intercept
Avengers Lose Counter Tactics
Spear lose 4+ cover rule
I forget what Banshees, Scorpions and Reapers get, but you see where I am going. Those special powers should all be rules that their respective Phoenix Lords give to the squad if joined to their Aspect. and USRs should be given by Exarchs, Like Tank Hunters for Dragons, and Hit & Run for Spears.
Since Spiders don't have a Phoenix Lord, that would essentially get ride of Flickerjump
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Really it's just dragons and spiders that are over the top.
Agreed, but all the others are meh at best. So we have 2 over the top powers and a bunch of meh ones. Lets just drop them entirely.
No one thought anything was missing from Aspects in the 6th ed Eldar Codex. I'm not suggesting to get rid of all the Aspect specific stuff, just suggesting that the PLs are the one that grant it to their Aspect. Like Drazhar does for Incubi.
The Aspects themselves should just have Wargear differences. What makes Dragons unique? Melta-guns.
Exarchs can provide a slight special rule to make them "cool". Buy an Exarch for those Dragons, now they have Tank-Hunter.
PLs would them provide special snow-flake rules like "Assured Destruction"
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As Usual from you I think these are great ideas.
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2016/08/11 18:51:33
Subject: 40K FAQ first draft posted (Astra Militarum and Grey Knights added 8/10)
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