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2016/05/13 21:36:00
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
streetsamurai wrote: But what if the rules are indeed terrible ? Should he still act neutrally toward the product, or should he warn his customers ?
Whether someone likes a game or not is subjective. The LGS owner is not there to make sure you only buy the "correct" games. Smellingsalts covered this in his post.
Just looking at the contents of Silver Tower, I think there is a lot more potential good than potential bad. But of course that is for each person to decide for themselves.
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But what if the rules are indeed terrible ? Should he still act neutrally toward the product, or should he warn his customers ? also, as some have said, the guy probably knows what kind of game his customers loves, and who they are. If he sells mostly to old veteran players, i think it is laudable that he warns them that despite the game being called WQ, it share very little with the original WQ
Wouldnt that be his impression though? Bad rules to some, good rules to others, its matter of opinion. Also couldnt he warn them in a different fashion, than taking a stand on a public facing Facebook page? Whats that saying "Dont bite the hand that feeds"
Is GW not going to see that and go hmmm, maybe not send that guy another anything before release date... His post to his customers is now a topic being discussed here, so you could argue the repercussions are greater.
I'm not a post modern thinker. I don't believe in the absolute relativism of everything. But good point about being so vocal about it. it probably have been better for him to be a lot more discreet in his warning.
streetsamurai wrote: But what if the rules are indeed terrible ? Should he still act neutrally toward the product, or should he warn his customers ?
Whether someone likes a game or not is subjective. The LGS owner is not there to make sure you only buy the "correct" games. Smellingsalts covered this in his post.
I disagree on this. For me the guy only gave a warning by saying that the game was missing numerous of the elements that made the original great. that way, he inform his customer and reduce the chance of buyer remorse. As said previously, he probably should have done it in a more discreet manner though
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2016/05/13 21:45:05
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
streetsamurai wrote: the guy only gave a warning by saying that the game was missing numerous of the elements that made the original great
That must have been in another post. The one I saw was completely vague. But again (third time?) it's not really important that this guy is undermining his own sales so much as just pointing out that this kind of empty negativity needs to be called out for what it is ... otherwise it's starts snowballing into people saying, like you kind of just unconsciously did, well Silver Tower is no good because there was this other game in the past that was different.
streetsamurai wrote: But what if the rules are indeed terrible ? Should he still act neutrally toward the product, or should he warn his customers ?
Whether someone likes a game or not is subjective. The LGS owner is not there to make sure you only buy the "correct" games. Smellingsalts covered this in his post.
Just looking at the contents of Silver Tower, I think there is a lot more potential good than potential bad. But of course that is for each person to decide for themselves.
Releases like Silver Tower feel like a bit of an olive branch to me. I look at the state of both their major games and despite playing from 2001-2010 or so, I feel like after taking a break from them and trying to come back, I have no clue what I'm looking at. So a standalone game that's independent of those rules means that I can still play games in an IP I like. I'm not particularly thrilled about their pricing structure, but that's another topic.
I did come here looking for those ROB boards though and I have no clue what page they were on..
MLaw wrote: I look at the state of both their major games and despite playing from 2001-2010 or so, I feel like after taking a break from them and trying to come back, I have no clue what I'm looking at. So a standalone game that's independent of those rules means that I can still play games in an IP I like.
This is an excellent point and the ease with which stuff can move back and forth between AoS and WHQ is I'm sure no coincidence!
Releases like Silver Tower feel like a bit of an olive branch to me. I look at the state of both their major games and despite playing from 2001-2010 or so, I feel like after taking a break from them and trying to come back, I have no clue what I'm looking at. So a standalone game that's independent of those rules means that I can still play games in an IP I like. I'm not particularly thrilled about their pricing structure, but that's another topic.
I did come here looking for those ROB boards though and I have no clue what page they were on..
Check the last spoiler tag in the first post on the first page of this thread...
streetsamurai wrote: the guy only gave a warning by saying that the game was missing numerous of the elements that made the original great
That must have been in another post. The one I saw was completely vague. But again (third time?) it's not really important that this guy is undermining his own sales so much as just pointing out that this kind of empty negativity needs to be called out for what it is ... otherwise it's starts snowballing into people saying, like you kind of just unconsciously did, well Silver Tower is no good because there was this other game in the past that was different.
You're putting a lot of word in my mouth. I never said that WQST was a bad game. In fact, we barley know anything about the gameplay. I only said that for me, meeplemart post was obiously intended for veteran gamers who expect this game to be as complete as the orignial WQ (and it is clearly not the case). From the little we know, it look more similar to Hero quest than WQ. And I much prefer a store owner telling me clearly what he thinks about a product, than him being cryptic in hope of getting a sale out of me.
BTW, if the rules and the games indded turned out to be poor, would your opinion of the whole situation change?
lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2016/05/13 22:15:52
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
The video looks awesome. Minis are exceptional. Game looks fun to me, never played originals. Not that it's a deal to me but I don't think the warrior priest is scaled that out of line, looks smaller than the Stormcast.
Only thing stopping me is I'm not hot on the Tzeentch aesthetic or any of the Order factions right now.
2016/05/13 22:21:22
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
Game looks fun. I don't like that they are no real levelling up to speak of, but I guess they could always introduce it with a new expansion. Minis are gorgeous. Don't really like the tiles, they are too busy and weird.
Micro-transaction app seems gaky though. I don't mind paying for actual cards, bookrules and minis, but paying for virtual cards and rules is a definitve no for me.
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lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2016/05/13 22:21:34
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
And you put a lot of words into the mouth of that LGS owner. That's kind of how it works, an illustration of my point.
streetsamurai wrote: And I much prefer a store owner telling me clearly what he thinks about a product, than him being cryptic in hope of getting a sale out of me.
streetsamurai wrote: BTW, if the rules and the games indded turned out to be poor, would your opinion of the whole situation change?
Nope:
Manchu wrote: I mean, to use your example, Phantom Menace is a terrible movie whether Star Wars is plastered on it or not. The same could be true of Silver Tower vis-a-vis the WHQ brand. But it should be criticized for what it is rather than whoever's idiosyncratic sense of its "legacy." Plus there are no indications that the game is bad ...
Releases like Silver Tower feel like a bit of an olive branch to me. I look at the state of both their major games and despite playing from 2001-2010 or so, I feel like after taking a break from them and trying to come back, I have no clue what I'm looking at. So a standalone game that's independent of those rules means that I can still play games in an IP I like. I'm not particularly thrilled about their pricing structure, but that's another topic.
I did come here looking for those ROB boards though and I have no clue what page they were on..
Check the last spoiler tag in the first post on the first page of this thread...
Thank you, has a pricepoint been mentioned? I didn't see that either. They look nice as expected.
And you put a lot of words into the mouth of that LGS owner. That's kind of how it works, an illustration of my point.
streetsamurai wrote: And I much prefer a store owner telling me clearly what he thinks about a product, than him being cryptic in hope of getting a sale out of me.
streetsamurai wrote: BTW, if the rules and the games indded turned out to be poor, would your opinion of the whole situation change?
Nope:
Manchu wrote: I mean, to use your example, Phantom Menace is a terrible movie whether Star Wars is plastered on it or not. The same could be true of Silver Tower vis-a-vis the WHQ brand. But it should be criticized for what it is rather than whoever's idiosyncratic sense of its "legacy." Plus there are no indications that the game is bad ...
Lol. well, I pretty much disagree with everything you wrote
Just seems we have a different perspective on the situation.
Back on topic. I wonder if there will be a way to buy the actual physical cards of the new heroes?
lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2016/05/13 22:28:11
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
NinthMusketeer wrote: And with the buying sprees of discontinued models associated with the Grand Alliance book releases...
This. With the rate at which people snatched up those models that were put up on the chopping block, it's likely that GW will try to attribute that to increased AoS sales...when it's more likely that it was really just people trying to get stuff to sell for a substantial markup on ebay later, or people who have kind of always wanted to get the models eventually, and their hands were 'forced' to make the purchases before they were gone forever. Heck, the run on Bretonnian stuff was so amazing, they made another order from the factory for a bunch of the kits, and then that re-order sold out in less than a day...
I do hope that this new Warhammer Quest game sells like hot cakes...only so that it will speak to GW about what we as fans and miniature gamers want, and perhaps it will get them to consider making actual published expansions for it. At this point, from the leaks that I have seen, I'm a little underwhelmed with what they've done with the WQ IP...when contrasted with the original. I will likely adapt this new stuff to the old rules and enjoy the heck out of all the pretty new models.
Binabik15 wrote: Is it worth it to go to my "local" (read: 1.5 hours train ride away) GW tomorrow to check out the minis in person? Or do the pics convey enough of the details, i.e. do the cultists have crazy detail on their backs or weapons not visible in the current pics?
The actual minis are very impressive, but I'm not sure I'd make that kind of journey to go see them. The official pictures show most of the detail, seeing things and holding them in real life just underlines how lovely they are.
The preorder page has a new design with several features
Automatically Appended Next Post: 'Playthrough' video
Edit: It turns out to be just an introduction
Maybe I have to go, because I can't see the usual 360 pics and the vid doesn't work for me. Might be my tablet, but no close look for me :/
Paying that much money for thirty cool minis (can't count thee familiar and Skaven clones, they are such distinct sculpts that multiples are a bad thing), sigh, I dunno. At least not before really seeing them. (I'll end up buying it anyway, I think I just want to see Ghurk in the flesh again before I bitz order him or buy a Glottkin kit...).
PS: I think I have all the parts to make a great pit fighter, top knot and oversizd biceps included, but what model/parts would be a good foundation for an old school witch hunter?
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
2016/05/13 22:44:53
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
I like the idea of the app, im not against in app purchases, Hell the price point is great!! I pay more for LoL character skins, I am rather pleased with PP's WarRoom app and it works well with the game.
That being said, this app just looks BAD... like really bad. The character sheets look nice, why would you make the app look so plain and generic...
2016/05/13 22:48:09
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
streetsamurai wrote: the guy only gave a warning by saying that the game was missing numerous of the elements that made the original great
That must have been in another post. The one I saw was completely vague. But again (third time?) it's not really important that this guy is undermining his own sales so much as just pointing out that this kind of empty negativity needs to be called out for what it is ... otherwise it's starts snowballing into people saying, like you kind of just unconsciously did, well Silver Tower is no good because there was this other game in the past that was different.
You're putting a lot of word in my mouth. I never said that WQST was a bad game. In fact, we barley know anything about the gameplay. I only said that for me, meeplemart post was obiously intended for veteran gamers who expect this game to be as complete as the orignial WQ (and it is clearly not the case). From the little we know, it look more similar to Hero quest than WQ. And I much prefer a store owner telling me clearly what he thinks about a product, than him being cryptic in hope of getting a sale out of me.
BTW, if the rules and the games indded turned out to be poor, would your opinion of the whole situation change?
Well, he was pretty crypitc
2016/05/13 22:57:43
Subject: Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ~ Warhammer Quest 5/14, RoB Boards
Chopxsticks wrote: I like the idea of the app, im not against in app purchases, Hell the price point is great!! I pay more for LoL character skins, I am rather pleased with PP's WarRoom app and it works well with the game.
That being said, this app just looks BAD... like really bad. The character sheets look nice, why would you make the app look so plain and generic...
The screenshots are just from the store page. I am sure the rest of the app will be designed to fit with the printed stuff. £20 for 37 heroes, skill cards and treasure cards doesn't sound too bad. The recent sale on the AOS app establishes a precident that we might see this discounted in the future.
To see the 360's just click on the bit that says view more images.
Edit I just saw the rest of the screenshots from the app and it does look bad
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I'll have to use the laptop to watch them tomorrow, but thank you!
