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I don't know if this is relevant news but this caught my eye while browsing beasts of war. Someone asked the person doing the blogs what he enjoyed most about warhammer fest I found the response interesting to say the least.


Poster 1: "What have you enjoyed most?
Seeing as you are well informed about all things in the world of wargaming, how much of what you have seen has been surprising?"

Blogger/reporter: The really big surprising thing has been the candid attitude of GW. They are still cagey about some things but admit their mistakes and are truly making an effort to engage and learn. Also the new Hobbit Dwarves are epic AND Warhammer Quest!

Poster 2: What have they been saying?

Blogger/reporter: Admitted they dropped the ball on community engagement and are focusing more on creating games to play rather than just miniatures to collect.

Talked about how they are focusing more on being creative first and foremost

End of post

Man I wish Kevin was in charge sooner but hey what's done is done at least we are now aware how GW's business stance has changed somewhat we have to see if they keep with it in the future. Still so far they are doing good for example total war warhammer they endorsed modding something the community really wanted. GW allowing mods for their game which is unheard of. I hope GW sticks to this mindset in the future. What I find interesting personally is the pushing of the video games which is also good as well and involving the community in developing the rules.

Let's hope they do that for 40k.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

I despise that word, "entitled", it's such a load of BS and is always deployed to shut down criticism that can't otherwise be refuted.

Almost everything about the way GW are pushing nu-WHQ is based on evoking the nostalgia people have for the original game, and even if it were not GW would have to be literally deaf, dumb, blind, and clinically stupid not to recognise that evoking a brand with a strong emotional component to it IS going to create expectations - it's their job, literally their job, to manage those expectations effectively. If they're incapable of effectively communicating to people what the product they're selling is, that's their problem and it's total horse manure to lay the blame for the fallout of that failure on the heads of potential customers.

If GW were to next "bring back" Mordheim using Mordheim's branding, talk about returning a "classic", repeatedly reference the original in their marketing etc, then you're damn right they would be responsible for creating an expectation that what people would be getting would be close enough to the original to justify such close comparison. If the resulting product wasn't set in Mordheim, had none of the factions of Mordheim, and completely dropped the complex post-game sequence for a much simplified system that barely met the definition of campaign progression, then calling people who react badly to the total disconnect between the product on-offer and the product "sold" to them by the marketing "entitled" is just petty trolling.

It's been done before, and examples were given here as well. Space Hulk was changed between editions. Rogue Trader, 40k 2nd Edition and 40k 3rd Edition are distinct, and different games to what came before. Especially 3rd. WHQ was a long time ago, and it having new/changed rules is a very reasonable thing. I actually missed out on the original, and didn't want to pay $400 on eBay so was looking forward to a straight re-release, but... I'll still take this, since it looks good on its own merits.

I've been following this thread without commenting, and aside from the obvious question (Why is a GW standalone Fantasy boardgame release thread bizarrely embedded into an AoS thread, despite being it's own thing - unlike DW:O, or Renegade, or even piddly little Last Patrol??) It seems that you're mostly here for a fight, since you appear fixated on having the same pointless circular argument about it not being a straight re-release of the 21-year old original. Are you the same poster who mentioned that you had major issues with the ridiculous pantomimes embedded in the legacy model rules when AoS came out due to ASD-specific discomfort? That's a serious question, asked deadpan with no emotion or judgement embedded in it.

I am, although I don't see why it has any bearing(I also took issue with them because of the multiple other groups they might annoy/make uncomfortable and because they seemed to be a deliberate middle finger to fans of WHFB).

As for "just being here for a fight", you know, I think you're probably right at this stage, evidently there are a group of people here incapable of discussing a point of principle(that companies are every bit as responsible for the outcomes of their actions as individuals, not "it's not exactly the same as the original, boo hiss ebil GW" - I've no attachment to the original I just despise the tendency that certain people have to start giving folk gak for being critical consumers rather than fanboys, sadly among them a mod or two) without devolving into mudslinging diatribes, and I'm evidently not going to change my mind and accept that people who've been deliberately misled by marketing are "entitled" for expressing their annoyance, so enough's enough.

I appreciate that wee metaphorical tap on the shoulder.

Companies are responsible if they sell defective products, or harmful ones.

Companies are not responsible for you not liking what they do.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
People are popping into the Warhammerfest news threads and saying the game is fun. So...that meeplemart guy is making himself look a wee bit foolish by providing no info about why he disliked it and won't get as much in. Glad I have my copy reserved, will be buying it on Sunday (out of town Saturday).

Yes, the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. I kind of feel bad for the people that live their lives by the supposed "failures" of GW.

 judgedoug wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
People are popping into the Warhammerfest news threads and saying the game is fun. So...that meeplemart guy is making himself look a wee bit foolish by providing no info about why he disliked it and won't get as much in. Glad I have my copy reserved, will be buying it on Sunday (out of town Saturday).

Yes, the reviews are overwhelmingly positive. I kind of feel bad for the people that live their lives by the supposed "failures" of GW.

That's great news, then. Look forward to getting my mitts on it wed/thursday this week!

Speaking of the latter, could we perhaps stop this merry-go-round of AoS butt-hurt and get back to the N&R topic at hand, please? There's discussion boards for that.

 shinros wrote:
I don't know if this is relevant news but this caught my eye while browsing beasts of war. Someone asked the person doing the blogs what he enjoyed most about warhammer fest I found the response interesting to say the least.


Poster 1: "What have you enjoyed most?
Seeing as you are well informed about all things in the world of wargaming, how much of what you have seen has been surprising?"

Blogger/reporter: The really big surprising thing has been the candid attitude of GW. They are still cagey about some things but admit their mistakes and are truly making an effort to engage and learn. Also the new Hobbit Dwarves are epic AND Warhammer Quest!

Poster 2: What have they been saying?

Blogger/reporter: Admitted they dropped the ball on community engagement and are focusing more on creating games to play rather than just miniatures to collect.

Talked about how they are focusing more on being creative first and foremost

End of post

Man I wish Kevin was in charge sooner but hey what's done is done at least we are now aware how GW's business stance has changed somewhat we have to see if they keep with it in the future. Still so for they are doing good for example total war warhammer they endorsed modding something the community really wanted. GW allowing mods for their game which is unheard of. I hope GW sticks to this mindset in the future. What I find interesting personally is the pushing of the video games which is also good as well and involving the community in developing the rules.

Let's hope they do that for 40k.

Wow, if this is true. Did GW actually said they made a mistake? Now if this is true, anyone who complains or berates GW now, that just speaks of their own character. After all, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES and deserve second chances. For GW to admit they are made a mistake and willing to change we should give them a second chance. Don't want to give them a second chance is perfectly fine as well. But to keep berating and throwing out vitriol toward them is just speaking of the person they are now.

Let's hope GW changes for the better now.

*edit* spelling mistakes.

Davor wrote:

 shinros wrote:
I don't know if this is relevant news but this caught my eye while browsing beasts of war. Someone asked the person doing the blogs what he enjoyed most about warhammer fest I found the response interesting to say the least.


Poster 1: "What have you enjoyed most?
Seeing as you are well informed about all things in the world of wargaming, how much of what you have seen has been surprising?"

Blogger/reporter: The really big surprising thing has been the candid attitude of GW. They are still cagey about some things but admit their mistakes and are truly making an effort to engage and learn. Also the new Hobbit Dwarves are epic AND Warhammer Quest!

Poster 2: What have they been saying?

Blogger/reporter: Admitted they dropped the ball on community engagement and are focusing more on creating games to play rather than just miniatures to collect.

Talked about how they are focusing more on being creative first and foremost

End of post

Man I wish Kevin was in charge sooner but hey what's done is done at least we are now aware how GW's business stance has changed somewhat we have to see if they keep with it in the future. Still so for they are doing good for example total war warhammer they endorsed modding something the community really wanted. GW allowing mods for their game which is unheard of. I hope GW sticks to this mindset in the future. What I find interesting personally is the pushing of the video games which is also good as well and involving the community in developing the rules.

Let's hope they do that for 40k.

Wow, if this is true. Did GW actually said they made a mistake? Now if this is true, anyone who complains or berates GW now, that just speaks of their own character. After all, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES and deserve second chances. For GW to admit they are made a mistake and willing to change we should give them a second chance. Don't want to give them a second chance is perfectly fine as well. But to keep berating and throwing out virtue toward them is just speaking of the person they are now.

Let's hope GW changes for the better now.

I think you're looking for vitriol, not virtue

Yup, didn't catch that, dang auto correct. Thank you.

Wow, if this is true. Did GW actually said they made a mistake? Now if this is true, anyone who complains or berates GW now, that just speaks of their own character. After all, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES and deserve second chances. For GW to admit they are made a mistake and willing to change we should give them a second chance. Don't want to give them a second chance is perfectly fine as well. But to keep berating and throwing out vitriol toward them is just speaking of the person they are now.

Let's hope GW changes for the better now.

*edit* spelling mistakes.

Utter hogwash, particularly the underlined.

Fair play to GW for sticking their hands up and doing a bit of a mea culpa, but that sort of thing is easy to say.

They are making a lot of right noises and seemingly getting their together, however, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that they will do things in the future about which people can (and most likely will) legitimately complain. Very few companies get things right 100% of the time after all.

So is WHQ a new edition of the old one or different rules altogether? Can't work it out.

GW supposedly saying "we made a mistake"......yeah, losing money tends to make companies get a bit grovelly.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
So is WHQ a new edition of the old one or different rules altogether? Can't work it out.

GW supposedly saying "we made a mistake"......yeah, losing money tends to make companies get a bit grovelly.

GW have been bleeding potential revenue for years and still they spouted their "pig stealer" drivel. Even in business, it takes a bit of soul searching and character to admit to your own audience that you've been treating them poorly.

Warhams-77 wrote:
From Warhammer Fest - pic taken by HeelanHammer on Twitter




Edit: Could someone please put the huge pic posted earlier on this page into spoiler tags. Thanks

How big is the model going to be exactly? I can't see a clear point of reference, are those dryads or treelords standing next to it. I mean we can't see most of the beetle.

TBH I don't really think a God should need to have a mount.

Still I guess this means that we can expect other Gods to appear like Sigmar.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I hope those characters are at least in the App and not true promo exclusives... as no store around here got a set.

If it hasn't been explicitly stated yet, the hero cards for the Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord, the Knight-Venator, the Slaughterpriest, and the Auric Runemaster are all in the rulebook. They are not exclusive to the swag - only thing exclusive about those is the holo-foil aspect.

I'm standing in a local GW store staring at the rulebook as I type this.

Great news.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this: The misses pre-ordered a copy of silver tower from gw and a sorcerer character card was added to the order at check out. Cant remember the exact character name but the model pic was one of the empire wizard mp kit. Interested if there are different ones to this available or if its in the rule book or app vs just a preorder bonus.

 Zognob Gorgoff wrote:
The misses pre-ordered a copy of silver tower from gw and a sorcerer character card was added to the order at check out. Interested if there are different ones to this available or if its in the rule book or app.

The Battlemage is not in the rulebook.
I obviously don't know if it will be in the app.

I hope this doesn't go off topic but were the rumors for the aelfs going to be the Fey Sylvaneth or the Shadowkin?

Most rumors I heard circulated around Shadowkin and Slaanesh.

I wonder what's going on with the Fey Sylvaneth?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
So is WHQ a new edition of the old one or different rules altogether? Can't work it out.

BGG has a comparison of the two. Bascially, WAQ:AoS has a dice allocation mechanic that WHQ didn't. As you take wounds, you have less dice to allocate. More choices than just positioning yourself and rolling dice.

ced1106 wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
So is WHQ a new edition of the old one or different rules altogether? Can't work it out.

BGG has a comparison of the two. Bascially, WAQ:AoS has a dice allocation mechanic that WHQ didn't. As you take wounds, you have less dice to allocate. More choices than just positioning yourself and rolling dice.

Different rules altogether. NOT an updated version of the original.

There are 8 familiars ? I thought they were 4.
Are they duplicates ?

 godardc wrote:
There are 8 familiars ? I thought they were 4.
Are they duplicates ?

yeap! All non-characters for tzeentch are x2.

So sorry if this has been asked before, but why dose the mist weaver have a slaanesh symbol ontop of her staff?

 Lockark wrote:
So sorry if this has been asked before, but why dose the mist weaver have a slaanesh symbol ontop of her staff?

It's sort of close, but not the slaanesh symbol.

 Lockark wrote:
So sorry if this has been asked before, but why dose the mist weaver have a slaanesh symbol ontop of her staff?

It's the moon symbol of Lileath, the Elven goddess of magic/fate.
All the iconography on the Mistweaver matches Lileath's stuff...which is interesting, since it was also a big part of Naggarythe mythology.

Tried Silver Tower today, had a blast. I can't say how it compares to WHQ since I've never played that one, but Silver Tower was certainly enjoyable. The dice-assigning mechanic worked well, especially when there was a combination of skills from my character and actions that could be taken on the board (like spinning a laser-projector so it burns up your enemies). The progression was pretty simple, just obtaining items and skills, but as someone who plays pen-and-paper RPGs that simplicity was a big plus over having a bunch of numbers to track just for a casual game. There isn't a whole lot of depth to the game from what I saw, but I didn't feel like it needed more than it had. Biggest thing for me is that I walked away wanting to play again, I've tried a lot of board games that I couldn't say the same for.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Tried Silver Tower today, had a blast. I can't say how it compares to WHQ since I've never played that one, but Silver Tower was certainly enjoyable. The dice-assigning mechanic worked well, especially when there was a combination of skills from my character and actions that could be taken on the board (like spinning a laser-projector so it burns up your enemies). The progression was pretty simple, just obtaining items and skills, but as someone who plays pen-and-paper RPGs that simplicity was a big plus over having a bunch of numbers to track just for a casual game. There isn't a whole lot of depth to the game from what I saw, but I didn't feel like it needed more than it had. Biggest thing for me is that I walked away wanting to play again, I've tried a lot of board games that I couldn't say the same for.

Glad to hear you had a great time :-)

Can't wait to play it too!

Yep, preordered two copies myself, FLGS has a great offer that nets me two boxes for 1899 SEK/$230/£160.

Albino Squirrel wrote:

ced1106 wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
So is WHQ a new edition of the old one or different rules altogether? Can't work it out.

BGG has a comparison of the two. Bascially, WAQ:AoS has a dice allocation mechanic that WHQ didn't. As you take wounds, you have less dice to allocate. More choices than just positioning yourself and rolling dice.

Different rules altogether. NOT an updated version of the original.

Thanks. Different rules, different setting, no career/roleplay mode, no in between game activity. That makes it a pass from me, wil stick with the original.

sockwithaticket wrote:

Wow, if this is true. Did GW actually said they made a mistake? Now if this is true, anyone who complains or berates GW now, that just speaks of their own character. After all, WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES and deserve second chances. For GW to admit they are made a mistake and willing to change we should give them a second chance. Don't want to give them a second chance is perfectly fine as well. But to keep berating and throwing out vitriol toward them is just speaking of the person they are now.

Let's hope GW changes for the better now.

*edit* spelling mistakes.

Utter hogwash, particularly the underlined.

Fair play to GW for sticking their hands up and doing a bit of a mea culpa, but that sort of thing is easy to say.

They are making a lot of right noises and seemingly getting their together, however, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that they will do things in the future about which people can (and most likely will) legitimately complain. Very few companies get things right 100% of the time after all.

No it's not utter hogwash. There is a difference between legitimately complaining and people just saying "GW sucks, they are no good, they are crap". The prior is justifiable since GW did something wrong. Now they are doing good and a lot of people will agree that GW is changing for the good and you still have people complain for something that GW has done years ago? So what does that tell you about the person who is complaining about GW just to bash them even when they are doing good?

Just look at Age of Sigmar. People are still bashing it and haven't even tried it? A lot of people on Dakka like AoS. They think GW is going in the right direction for AoS and 40K as well. So what does that tell you when that one person who comes in now just to bash GW over AoS? It's like almost a year now (10 months) time to get over it. Can't get over it, why come into an AoS forum just to bash it? Yes please tell me that doesn't speak the character of that person.

If GW screws up again, then yes it is justified for the complaints. But it's the vitriol that is not justified.

Preordered. Feth it.

That way I can at least run a 20ish models warband for Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeentch each. I don't have enough dudes for AoS min unit sizes for every unit type per god but Path to Glory or Warhammer Skirmish are doable. (For example I only can muster three Blight Kings and not enough Tzaangors for a min unit).

If the game itself is actually fun and the community mods it for other enemy types I want to make my own WQ "expansion" with Witch Hunter and Pit Fighter vs ghouls, zombies, skellies, dire wolves, human scum, Werewolf and/or Ogre Merc Miniboss(es) and a necromantic witch coven boss. So please get cracking guys.

PS: lets hope that Slaanesh gets nice cult troops for his revival so I can have all four gods duking it out.