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Binabik15 wrote:

I'm sorry, ST? What does thar stand for?

I'm going with Silver Tower.

Warscrolls for the Tzeentch models: http://imgur.com/a/AHfG5

 angelofvengeance wrote:
4 copies Azazel? Lol.

Yep, aside from being a standalone boardgame, I'm counting it as an instant Tzeentch army for KoW with characterful models - same as the 4 each of AoS, Calth and DW:O. I only got 3 of Renegade, though, and 1 of Assasinorium, Probably 1 of Lost Patrol as well when it gets released.

Well I ordered my copy.

 Azazelx wrote:

Binabik15 wrote:

I'm sorry, ST? What does thar stand for?

I'm going with Silver Tower.

Herp No, my shipping cart said 6 pounds shipping, so I ordered from my German online store.

At least GW adds a little herp to my derp and flips between "blue" and "pink" horrors in the Brimstone Horrors' rules.

The best news from those warscrolls is that the Tzaangors form in units of 6+. This means they're usable right out of the box if I'm not able to acquire more Tzaangor models. Being part of the Arcanites faction is a nice bonus.

I'll probably field the Deathrunner, too; while it's not Tzeentch itself (I'm something of a purist there), it's Illusory Twin ability is quite in character with Tzeentch.

Tzeentch Arcanite battletome incoming then.

Hopefully with plastic kits for the Tzangores and the Acolytes.

And the little Fiery Horrlings! I love those things.

 Azazelx wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
4 copies Azazel? Lol.

Yep, aside from being a standalone boardgame, I'm counting it as an instant Tzeentch army for KoW with characterful models - same as the 4 each of AoS, Calth and DW:O. I only got 3 of Renegade, though, and 1 of Assasinorium, Probably 1 of Lost Patrol as well when it gets released.

I admire your ambition and envy your storage space.

My brain keeps howling that we already have too many unpainted models so I don't think I'll go down the road of multiples on release. Though if I got rid of the scrap styrene lying around there's probably room for Azazelxian levels of acquisition...

Yeah, just heard back from the dozens of unpainted armies and they say no more big additions. Also, I'm off to see the doctor about these things talking again...he said the magic pills would stop them from doing that.

Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

Long story short, we don't know. That's specifically namedropping them as "Sylvaneth", which is the Treeman and Dryad faction currently and of which Alarielle(the former EverQueen) is now a part. Those things were called out in the art as "Tree Revenants" or something to that effect.
I posted earlier in this thread that it isn't really a new concept as that's what the Treekin were: slain Wood Elves inhabiting bodies made from fallen trees.

The Wood Elves became the Wanderer faction, which are in the Grand Alliance: Order book.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
How did they manage to get that Tzeentch sorcerer on a round base? His toes are molded on the square base that comes on his sprue.

Speaking of witch, I can't find that Tzeentch sorcerer on the webstore. Sold out in Oz. MIA on the UK site. No show on US site.

He's been sold out for months.

Why, though?

No clue. Probably so that they could rejig the mold and do an integrated round base instead of the square he had before.

I'm surprised at the units on the new warscrolls all being equipped with "a variety of weapons". I guess it's a side effect from being transferred over from silver tower. I'd love to see a proper unit box be made for the gors and acolytes. I really like the models but hate the lack of poses.

Is it insane or brilliant that a unit of pink horrors breaks down into 2 smaller units before being destroyed? That's a real money pit right there, ugh.

Still really neat though.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

That describes most of the stuff from GW. Especially Khorne.

Man I'm not fully sold on the game myself....but I want the Tzaangors SO MUCH.

I guess I'll have to hit up Ebay once it's out

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
Man I'm not fully sold on the game myself....but I want the Tzaangors SO MUCH.

I guess I'll have to hit up Ebay once it's out

You're better off buying the game if you're planning on eBay.

People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

And sell me the models you don't want

I'll check local game store but justifying 180$ as opposed to just dropping 30 on the minis I want is much easier to do.

Even with a discount this pricing is still stupid high compared to competitors who max out at $100

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I'll check local game store but justifying 180$ as opposed to just dropping 30 on the minis I want is much easier to do.

Even with a discount this pricing is still stupid high compared to competitors who max out at $100

30 CAD for 6 Tzaangors is, IMO, extortionate.

Yeah, you'll be paying $180 and getting stuff you don't want. But you know what?
You get to then have the shoe on the other foot and be the one parting out a box.

Another alternative is you can see if anyone is willing to split a box with you.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

New unit perhaps? Wood elves that gave their bodies and souls to the trees.....or something.

 stompygitz wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

New unit perhaps? Wood elves that gave their bodies and souls to the trees.....or something.

They're not Wood Elves.

Wood Elves are the Wanderers.

What you're looking at are Sylvaneth Tree-Revenants(you can actually read the name in a few photos people have posted: the Elf with the halberd is called a Tree-Revenant and it says that it's a Tree-Revenant in the sylvaneth glades).

Brief primer:
Alarielle, aka the EverQueen, took the place of Ariel during the End Times and became the Aspect of Life. After the End Times, she's now became THE embodiment of the Realm of Life. The storyline so far has her starting to resurface as the Realm of Life is being purged of Nurgle's forces. As the corruption fades, her power grows and things that were previously dormant or destroyed are reawakening and coming back to join in the fight against Nurgle.

Previously, the Sylvaneth army list was four items: Branchwraiths, Dryads, Treeman, and Treeman Ancient. It looks like they're preparing to do an actual Sylvaneth book, which of course necessitates a few more units thrown into the mix.

Additionally, Wood Elves already did give their bodies and souls to the trees. That was the whole fluff behind the Tree Kin.

Warhammer Armies: Wood Elves wrote:
At the heart of every Tree Kin resides the soul of a dead Elf, though this is not the fate of all. Only the strongest and most driven souls retain enough individuality to become such a creature. Most, eager to renounce the identity and struggles that shaped their mortal lives, pass into the Weave of the forest. Though their families and friends might occasionally fancy that they can hear their loved one's voice upon the wind, it is but an echo of a life long abandoned. However, those souls that become Tree Kin are unable to completely abandon their grip on their former lives, and they forge themselves a new body out of dead timber so that they might continue to defend in death that which they loved in life.

I, personally, am speculating that this is a kind of "reenvisioning" of the Tree Kin concept. Those models were part of the initial purge of WHFB stuff before Last Chance to Buy and when the Sylvaneth got reboxed. They also specifically were pulled from the Wanderer and Sylvaneth lists, but remain in the "legacy" Wood Elf list.

It also kinda fits a bit more within the Sylvaneth when you take into consideration that the whole "dead Elf wrapped in ivy and bound by the branches of trees" is what the Orion novels actually says happens to the host body for Orion--and it also happens to a Wardancer, with him being thrown to the Wildwood to be killed for a crime. The forest repairs him after he's slain, and he comes back with parts of the forest bound to his flesh.

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I'll check local game store but justifying 180$ as opposed to just dropping 30 on the minis I want is much easier to do.

Even with a discount this pricing is still stupid high compared to competitors who max out at $100

Oh, I get it, but that's what I am also saying... the Ebayers are counting on this, and you won't end up paying $30 for the models you want... they'll be asking $60 shipped. I've seen several of the Tzeentch baddie bundles on Ebay already for $75+ shipping, which is already over half way to the entire box at MSRP, let alone at online discounter. I appreciate that this might be more complicated accounting for the Canadian dollar though.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

I think its kind of awesome from the perspective of woodelves actually being an integral part of the forest in a mystical sense.
Frankly, its about damned time woodelves were done "right" from that perspective.
The living forest defending itself. All denizens are integral to the conglomerate life form. Insert other socialist liberal mumbo jumbo here.

I'm excited to see the models. Best thing since the dryads and plastic treekins.


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And to those who ate just wanting parts from the silver tower box, I'd go in on one just to get a set of the tiles.
I R boardgamer naow.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Commodus Leitdorf wrote:
I'll check local game store but justifying 180$ as opposed to just dropping 30 on the minis I want is much easier to do.

Even with a discount this pricing is still stupid high compared to competitors who max out at $100

Oh, I get it, but that's what I am also saying... the Ebayers are counting on this, and you won't end up paying $30 for the models you want... they'll be asking $60 shipped. I've seen several of the Tzeentch baddie bundles on Ebay already for $75+ shipping, which is already over half way to the entire box at MSRP, let alone at online discounter. I appreciate that this might be more complicated accounting for the Canadian dollar though.

Yeah I know they can gouge...but I'm an Ebay vet, I know how to find what I want for the cheapest possible price. Right now the prices aren't all that bad comparative to GW's regular prices anyway. I also don't really have anyone to split the box with so that's out, especially since the forces aren't all that even like splitting a starter would be.

I'll see, I'm in no rush to get it as this isn't a limited run like Space Hulk. They might even release a separate expansion with just them in it so I can be patient and wait.

 Hellfury wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

I think its kind of awesome from the perspective of woodelves actually being an integral part of the forest in a mystical sense.
Frankly, its about damned time woodelves were done "right" from that perspective.
The living forest defending itself. All denizens are integral to the conglomerate life form. Insert other socialist liberal mumbo jumbo here.

I'm excited to see the models. Best thing since the dryads and plastic treekins.

See again what I posted.

Wanderers(Wood Elves) and Sylvaneth are two distinct entities now. The Order Grand Alliance book makes it painfully clear. There's a reason that the Wanderers don't dwell within the Realm of Life.

Grand Alliance: Order wrote:
Long ago the Wanderer kings fought for the Realm of Life, and it haunts them still that they were forced to flee and leave Ghyran to its fate. However, it is not this ancient betrayal that feeds the rift between sylvaneth and Wanderers. Alarielle and her children see the Wanderers as divorced from nature -- creatures that cannot share the bond of the mythic sylvaneth protectors. Even so, the Wanderer kindreds cherish the magic of life and seek its return to the mortal realm. They follow the light of Sigendil as it fragments into hundreds of ley lines. These shimmering cords spill out across the realms, wending their way over continents, mountains and seas. The nomad kindreds trace the paths of this light to hidden lands, laying waystones to amplify and restore its power. Thus do they push back the curse of Chaos upon the realms.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

So I should spend £75 to get all the models, even the ones I don't want, and a game I won't be playing, rather than spending £55 to get just the models I want(Barbarian, Tzaangor, cultists, Gobbos, Skaven, and Familiars)? That sounds like a bad plan.

 Yodhrin wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

So I should spend £75 to get all the models, even the ones I don't want, and a game I won't be playing, rather than spending £55 to get just the models I want(Barbarian, Tzaangor, cultists, Gobbos, Skaven, and Familiars)? That sounds like a bad plan.

Well depends if you can recoup the whole £55 by selling the stuff you don't want I guess?

 Yodhrin wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

So I should spend £75 to get all the models, even the ones I don't want, and a game I won't be playing, rather than spending £55 to get just the models I want(Barbarian, Tzaangor, cultists, Gobbos, Skaven, and Familiars)? That sounds like a bad plan.

so what amounts to $28 USD is to much? The price of a single clampack for the remainder of ALL the content, of Which the rules alone on ebay are selling for $29.99, you don't think you could sell the remainder of the models and come out ahead?

Im pretty sure the point of all this was "willingness to sell off the extras" So yes its a very good plan.