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People on ebay are already selling the parts out. And im sure they will make a killing. You can get the game for 108 shipped a few places.

Ive seen the Tzragoors or whatever they are, 6 for 30 shipped, the 8 worshipers for 30 also. Hereos are 14 a pop. By all standards they are good prices, and if you sell it all out you could make double your money im sure selling the boards with tokens dice as a bundle like some are for 30.

I love the fact that Pink Horrors split into Blue Horrors, and then split AGAIN into the little flamey brimstone dudes!

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

So I should spend £75 to get all the models, even the ones I don't want, and a game I won't be playing, rather than spending £55 to get just the models I want(Barbarian, Tzaangor, cultists, Gobbos, Skaven, and Familiars)? That sounds like a bad plan.

so what amounts to $28 USD is to much? The price of a single clampack for the remainder of ALL the content, of Which the rules alone on ebay are selling for $29.99, you don't think you could sell the remainder of the models and come out ahead?

Im pretty sure the point of all this was "willingness to sell off the extras" So yes its a very good plan.

And I'm pretty sure I was responding to the assertion that "you might as well get the game and all the models" which, if you can find what you want for an acceptable price without having to buy the whole box, is nonsense. And yes, the extra £20(+shipping) is too much, because it's for stuff I don't need that I would have to expend time & effort to get rid of. If my choice is between having an extra £20 in my pocket or spending ages fannying about on ebay trying to sell the less popular(and so much more common, ie more competition - anyone who thinks they'll be flogging the non-model content for more than a few quid is in la-la land) parts of the box, I'll take the £20 thanks.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Hellfury wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

I think its kind of awesome from the perspective of woodelves actually being an integral part of the forest in a mystical sense.
Frankly, its about damned time woodelves were done "right" from that perspective.
The living forest defending itself. All denizens are integral to the conglomerate life form. Insert other socialist liberal mumbo jumbo here.

I'm excited to see the models. Best thing since the dryads and plastic treekins.

See again what I posted.

Wanderers(Wood Elves) and Sylvaneth are two distinct entities now. The Order Grand Alliance book makes it painfully clear. There's a reason that the Wanderers don't dwell within the Realm of Life.

Grand Alliance: Order wrote:
Long ago the Wanderer kings fought for the Realm of Life, and it haunts them still that they were forced to flee and leave Ghyran to its fate. However, it is not this ancient betrayal that feeds the rift between sylvaneth and Wanderers. Alarielle and her children see the Wanderers as divorced from nature -- creatures that cannot share the bond of the mythic sylvaneth protectors. Even so, the Wanderer kindreds cherish the magic of life and seek its return to the mortal realm. They follow the light of Sigendil as it fragments into hundreds of ley lines. These shimmering cords spill out across the realms, wending their way over continents, mountains and seas. The nomad kindreds trace the paths of this light to hidden lands, laying waystones to amplify and restore its power. Thus do they push back the curse of Chaos upon the realms.

Yeah, I saw it, but not before I posted.
Either way, the splitting of hairs between wood elves or sylvayanaethetheth doesn't change my perspective.

It's not splitting hairs, it's correcting a mistaken perception.

That's Sylvaneth. It's even labeled "Sylvaneth Tree-Revenant" in some of the pics from Warhammer Fest.
Sylvaneth are the tree spirits, and the campaign books have fleshed them out a bit more.

Wanderers are the Wood Elves. They've (no pun intended) branched off from the Sylvaneth, much like how many of the factions have been split into smaller subfactions(Skaven losing Clan Pestilens for example).

Ok.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

So I should spend £75 to get all the models, even the ones I don't want, and a game I won't be playing, rather than spending £55 to get just the models I want(Barbarian, Tzaangor, cultists, Gobbos, Skaven, and Familiars)? That sounds like a bad plan.

so what amounts to $28 USD is to much? The price of a single clampack for the remainder of ALL the content, of Which the rules alone on ebay are selling for $29.99, you don't think you could sell the remainder of the models and come out ahead?

Im pretty sure the point of all this was "willingness to sell off the extras" So yes its a very good plan.

And I'm pretty sure I was responding to the assertion that "you might as well get the game and all the models" which, if you can find what you want for an acceptable price without having to buy the whole box, is nonsense. And yes, the extra £20(+shipping) is too much, because it's for stuff I don't need that I would have to expend time & effort to get rid of. If my choice is between having an extra £20 in my pocket or spending ages fannying about on ebay trying to sell the less popular(and so much more common, ie more competition - anyone who thinks they'll be flogging the non-model content for more than a few quid is in la-la land) parts of the box, I'll take the £20 thanks.

How is it nonsense, its value. You effectively raise the price of your purchase by piecing it out. Do you just buy the shoes and forgo the shoelaces? to save a few bucks, because you dont need shoelaces to wear shoes. You would have to find each model for roughly $2.50 (including shipping) each to match the value of the game purchased at a discount of $125.

Also Ebay takes the worlds least amount of effort...


Not everyone only sees the glass as half empty, how tiresome is it to always be so negative about everything...

Some people just think it's idiotic to spend money on something they don't want, no matter how much of a discount they are getting on it. Because they don't want it. How is that difficult to understand?

Hey Yodhrin mate, I know you're an old world purist so if you haven't seen the models in person yet take a good look before you buy (preferably with an Empire model to hand). Scale creep is very very real.

15£ for the Tzaangors/Acolytes. Ouch.

Prices get adjusted by the site according to demand, but I doubt those guys will get cheaper. Oh well. (Still salty that I didn't buy another Khorgorath or 4th gen hybrids when they were cheaper).

And for scale creep, I dunno, GW has always been bad about this. They had a golden age for fantas scale when Jes, I think, made some dollies for each race that were in scale and proportion for the different sculptors to use, but that is long gone again. I find it amazing that right now GW produces their IMO best proportioned humans (DW: Overkill 4th gen hybrids) and Khorne muscle slabs that look like the have COPD with barrel torsos and limbs so muscled that they look stubby in the Blood Reavers and downright gigantic dudes in the Stormcasts, Wrathmongers, Slaughterpriests etc. I hope that the not-hero humans in the Order factions are smaller than the new barb and warpriest.

PS: Those giants still look best when presented as such, e.g. facing off against current skellies or state troopers that outnumber them. An all Stormcast force just looks like a 38mm or so scale game. Meh. I like MINIatures.

Yes, they are beautiful models in the new set but there is no doubt denying how big they all are. The cultists from DW:O are a good counter point (and the Skitarii) as these are excellent human figures on 25mm bases. I really hope new human factions moving forward aren't all on 32mms and up, but honestly judging by the Fyreslayers and WHQ:ST it seems that every single new order infantry model (except for pets) is going to be scaled up and placed on a 32mm.

I wouldn't be surprised if Games Workshop has decided to intentionally abandon 28mm for their fantasy miniatures, even for normal humans.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Wait, so wood elfs are now half tree?

That's either stupid or awesome or somehow both at the same time.

Only you can prevent forest fyres.

str00dles1 wrote:
People on ebay are already selling the parts out. And im sure they will make a killing. You can get the game for 108 shipped a few places.

Ive seen the Tzragoors or whatever they are, 6 for 30 shipped, the 8 worshipers for 30 also. Hereos are 14 a pop. By all standards they are good prices, and if you sell it all out you could make double your money im sure selling the boards with tokens dice as a bundle like some are for 30.

Where did you find $108? Best I have found is $120 shipped...

Never seen it under 120 US either.

Only time I've seen 108 was for minis only.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Never seen it under 120 US either.

Only time I've seen 108 was for minis only.

I got it for $99 on ebay, full contents. Standard shipping was $18, $27 for expedited.

Pretty close to the $120 (with free shipping) that many of the listings are going for.

Can the Canadian dollar please just be at par with USD so I can drive over the border and pick up a copy for $100...$180 is too much for me to spend on this....unless it was all skaven models (ii really only want the one skaven model ahah/

I guess i should have expected it since the world was blown up that AOS would influence all the fantasy line games like Warhammer Quest, Mordheim, Blood Bowl, etc.

Thats cool i guess for those who like the new AOS universe. I just am a little bummed cause when i think of the old games i think of old school fantasy and a grim dark fluff filled universe that was warhammer fantasy. Oh, well I know i wont be playing any of the new releases unless they do them up old school like... which i doubt. they will do at this point. The old Warhammer Quest was fun game....

Bloodbowl is set in an alternate universe and will not be affected aside from the bases going to 32mm.

Chikout wrote:
Bloodbowl is set in an alternate universe and will not be affected aside from the bases going to 32mm.

Look at the new Orcs, and tell me they don't look partially inspired by the Oruks or whatever. Its only a matter of time until every old game is completely Simarized

It's still not set in Age of Sigmar.

migooo wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Bloodbowl is set in an alternate universe and will not be affected aside from the bases going to 32mm.

Look at the new Orcs, and tell me they don't look partially inspired by the Oruks or whatever. Its only a matter of time until every old game is completely Simarized

I spoke to the designer. They definitely aren't.

All the teams he's designed are meant to look like sport teams and not just warriors that have dropped their weapons for a while. All the old world race names will remain. There is not a Stormcast team.

The only comparison is the move to 32mm bases.


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 Spacewolfoddballz wrote:
I guess i should have expected it since the world was blown up that AOS would influence all the fantasy line games like Warhammer Quest, Mordheim, Blood Bowl, etc.

Thats cool i guess for those who like the new AOS universe. I just am a little bummed cause when i think of the old games i think of old school fantasy and a grim dark fluff filled universe that was warhammer fantasy. Oh, well I know i wont be playing any of the new releases unless they do them up old school like... which i doubt. they will do at this point. The old Warhammer Quest was fun game....

There are plenty of images of the new Bloodbowl models (Orcs and Humans) and design sketches for the remaining teams.

Go have a look.

The new WHQ is in the AoS setting. Blood Bowl is not.

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

So I should spend £75 to get all the models, even the ones I don't want, and a game I won't be playing, rather than spending £55 to get just the models I want(Barbarian, Tzaangor, cultists, Gobbos, Skaven, and Familiars)? That sounds like a bad plan.

so what amounts to $28 USD is to much? The price of a single clampack for the remainder of ALL the content, of Which the rules alone on ebay are selling for $29.99, you don't think you could sell the remainder of the models and come out ahead?

Im pretty sure the point of all this was "willingness to sell off the extras" So yes its a very good plan.

And I'm pretty sure I was responding to the assertion that "you might as well get the game and all the models" which, if you can find what you want for an acceptable price without having to buy the whole box, is nonsense. And yes, the extra £20(+shipping) is too much, because it's for stuff I don't need that I would have to expend time & effort to get rid of. If my choice is between having an extra £20 in my pocket or spending ages fannying about on ebay trying to sell the less popular(and so much more common, ie more competition - anyone who thinks they'll be flogging the non-model content for more than a few quid is in la-la land) parts of the box, I'll take the £20 thanks.

How is it nonsense, its value. You effectively raise the price of your purchase by piecing it out. Do you just buy the shoes and forgo the shoelaces? to save a few bucks, because you dont need shoelaces to wear shoes. You would have to find each model for roughly $2.50 (including shipping) each to match the value of the game purchased at a discount of $125.

Also Ebay takes the worlds least amount of effort...


Not everyone only sees the glass as half empty, how tiresome is it to always be so negative about everything...

It's not my fault you can't grasp the idea of opportunity cost.

 Bottle wrote:
Hey Yodhrin mate, I know you're an old world purist so if you haven't seen the models in person yet take a good look before you buy (preferably with an Empire model to hand). Scale creep is very very real.

Oh aye I know man, but thanks for the warning - the cultist blokes will be used as conversion fodder for Tzeentch Marauders and the Barbarian goes into my existing Bloodreaver-based Norse Marauders, scale creep being less of an issue when the faction are supposed to be big buggers. The Tzaangors look like they'll match up roughly with Bestigors which is fine. The Goblins I only need one of for now but eventually will use two or three to make Forest Goblin Shamen, and it was only a fiver for all 8.

It does look like I'll be using less and less GW models as time goes on, but I have a stockpile of Empire bitz and hopefully when they do eventually switch over to AoS-gigascale for all the human factions there will be more third-party stuff to buy instead.

migooo wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Bloodbowl is set in an alternate universe and will not be affected aside from the bases going to 32mm.

Look at the new Orcs, and tell me they don't look partially inspired by the Oruks or whatever. Its only a matter of time until every old game is completely Simarized

They look to me a lot like the Orcs on the Cyanide BB covers and artwork, as well as the NuOrks with pig noses that WH40k had for over half a decade. I guess the conepts at this points are years old, after all there have been rumours about plastic BB for several years, long before anything was known about End Times let alone AoS (by Harry and Hastings both, if I remember correctly).

The fact that BB is in a seperate reality gives me hope that a possible Mordheim re-release/remake keeps it in the Old World. It even makes kind of sense that current AoS races would remember the Old World like this, twisted, corrupt, fighting for survival etc like many people think about, say, ancient Egypt having people scrap in the desert dirt all day to build pyramids, not huge cities with irrigation systems watering fields. So it could be presented like that to people new to the setting while veterans know, yeah, that's the city of the damned as we know it. Nice opportunity for GW to sort of say sorry to the fans of the Old World for blowing it all up and let them/us have a playground in it instead of totally turning their back on it.

/wishful thinking

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
People are already piecing out "just model" sales for Ebay, and honestly, if you take into account online-discounter prices, Kanluwen is right.... you'd might as well get the game and all the models.

Exactly why I'm getting 4 sets. Discounters vs Part-outs vendors prices mean I may as well just get extra sets to build a Tzeentch army.

Corect me if I'm wrong but wasnt Mordheim set in the past of 6th Edition Warhammer? I guess there is a good chance Mordheim stays in the Old World.

Well, GW could transfer its rules and gameplay concepts into the AoS but they didnt do that with Space Hulk (which events happened a long time ago, and the Librarian is a young Callistarius/Mephiston), Deathwatch (historic event as well, far in the past, even before the first Tyranid fleets turned up. Young Cassius) and now Blood Bowl keeping its original background.

I dont own the Mordheim rulebook but from the WD articles back then I always imagined the game is set a long time before WFB and had its own background.

 Spacewolfoddballz wrote:
I guess i should have expected it since the world was blown up that AOS would influence all the fantasy line games like Warhammer Quest, Mordheim, Blood Bowl, etc.

Thats cool i guess for those who like the new AOS universe. I just am a little bummed cause when i think of the old games i think of old school fantasy and a grim dark fluff filled universe that was warhammer fantasy. Oh, well I know i wont be playing any of the new releases unless they do them up old school like... which i doubt. they will do at this point. The old Warhammer Quest was fun game....

There's plenty of Non-GW manufacturers making Not-Warhammer models still out there. Right down to essentially the same models sculpted by the same people. (And even some actual ex-citadel models in some cases).

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/pike-and-shot/renaissance
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/dark-age/vikings-normans-anglo-saxons
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/heartbreaker-miniatures-28mm-c-115/kev-adams-orcs-c-115_116/
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/heartbreaker-miniatures-28mm-c-115/kev-adams-goblins-c-115_117/
http://www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/heartbreaker-miniatures-28mm-c-115/kev-adams-dwarves-c-115_118/
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_64&osCsid=ss2a7gjfharkf067ppgbhmi6i3
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/index.php?cPath=23_34&osCsid=ss2a7gjfharkf067ppgbhmi6i3

Then there's lots of stuff that obviously follows the pre-AoS design ethos out there:
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=129&Itemid=53&armycode=New+releases
http://www.avatars-of-war.com/eng/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&prodcode=pl01&prodname=Dwarf+Berserkers+of+Bj%C3%B6rn&id=118&Itemid=53
http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=58
http://www.shieldwolfminiatures.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=46
http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/fantasy
http://www.westwindproductions.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=74_174
http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/51-dark-elves?orderby=price&orderway=desc
http://eoeorbis.com/collections/fantasy/range_vermen
http://eoeorbis.com/collections/fantasy/range_high-elves
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war.html
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/forces-of-nature/product/forces-of-nature-salamander-regiment.html
http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/abyssal-dwarfs.html

Just because models aren't made by Citadel/Games Workshop doesn't mean you can't use them if you prefer the pre-AoS design ethos. Especially when so many of the alternatives have such close, close ties to old-school Lenton, Nottingham...

The links above are just a start, and I won't veer further off-topic. Just pointing out that even for people who don't like the "New" Warhammer direction, there's plenty of other alternatives for models that use the exact same design ethos. And that's without counting the ability to buy models from eBay or other secondhand sources....

Warhams-77 wrote:
Corect me if I'm wrong but wasnt Mordheim set in the past of 6th Edition Warhammer? I guess there is a good chance Mordheim stays in the Old World.

Well, GW could transfer its rules and gameplay concepts into the AoS but they didnt do that with Space Hulk (which events happened a long time ago, and the Librarian is a young Callistarius/Mephiston), Deathwatch (historic event as well, far in the past, even before the first Tyranid fleets turned up. Young Cassius) and now Blood Bowl keeping its original background.

I dont own the Mordheim rulebook but from the WD articles back then I always imagined the game is set a long time before WFB and had its own background.

Yes.

Be'lakor (pretty much guaranteed) and a ton of warpstone crash as a meteor into the city of Mordheim during the Age of Three Emperors and corrupt it while adventurers and merenaries from the whole Old World are called by the promise of riches from gathering the warpstone and selling it to unsavory alchemists (or even darker trade partners). Magnus the Pious and witch hunters purge the city. Be'lakor flees to Albion.

All as far as I remember, but it was set in a time long before Karl Franz's reign in any way.

So it wouldn't really hurt to have it in its original setting. Heck, with AoS being "skirmish" (but buy a hundred Stormcast, anyway, guys, please, daddy GW needs to eat) you wouldn't really need a dedicated specialist game for warbands gaining experience and loot unless you also make a distinct setting for it, you could simply add campaign rules to AoS. Without the Damned City itself, where is the fun? Where's the reason for "Mordheim" instead of "GW presents: An AoS supplement" without it being in that place, at that time.

Mordheim is being done by the Specialist Games team.

Until told otherwise, it will be in the same setting as the original game.

This is their attitude with Bloodbowl also; though they will move that timeline along with future seasons if the game is a success.