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Magic cards are the entire game - those are an optional extra.

Not everything is priced consistently - look at a starter set compared to single plastic miniatures compared to start collecting

Vorian wrote:
Magic cards are the entire game - those are an optional extra.

Not everything is priced consistently - look at a starter set compared to single plastic miniatures compared to start collecting

Thing is, we or I guess I should say I thought GW has changed. This has Kirby written all over it. So if GW wants this much for virtual cards, I would hate to see what GW will be charging now for their real products now. Two steps forward one step back?

Time will tell if this is just a "hic up", GW was doing so well with their releases until now.

Davor wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
5.50$ for 9 virtual cards. That is disgusting. This settle it, im not buying this game

I guess GW hasn't lernt their lesson after all. Hell my son can get more Magic Cards than that. Is GW trying to say they are better than magic? So sad, I was getting excited for GW and what they were doing. Now I don't feel like buying anything now because of this.

Back to voting with my wallet now.

Exactly. And I'm appalled to see that some are defendidng that decision.

GW has this annoying tendancy to follow their exciting move with a counter move that drains all the excitement that the the first move created. Really disapointing. Now the only hope for the game, imo, is that they release some real physicals expansions (with new rules, scenario, tgiles, minis and cards). If they are well done, this might make me reconsider my decision to not buy ST.

They're still more than capable of charging premium prices for things, that's not changed.

We're seeing that they're moving towards offering boxes that actually offer value to get people started, which is a very big step forward.

I can't remember the last thing I bought that wasn't a starter (off eBay for a fraction of the price), a boxed game (at 20% off ) or a start collecting box (at 20% off)

I'll probably get the 4 character set for silver tower because that brings them down to a reasonable price.

I'll keep buying what I find value in and not what I don't - but I understand they'll price things at what they think will make them the most money and not set prices based on an evil conspiracy

Guys I think it's a bit of an overreaction to say that GW has undone the goodwill they've built of late. I agree that its a shoddy move (and by all means the complaints about that are well-warranted) but think; is it realistic to expect them to pull a complete 180 in such a short time? Assuming they stay the new course I'd say its reasonable to expect at least a year of occasional dickish-GW moves before they get past 15-odd years of crappy policy.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Guys I think it's a bit of an overreaction to say that GW has undone the goodwill they've built of late. I agree that its a shoddy move (and by all means the complaints about that are well-warranted) but think; is it realistic to expect them to pull a complete 180 in such a short time? Assuming they stay the new course I'd say its reasonable to expect at least a year of occasional dickish-GW moves before they get past 15-odd years of crappy policy.

some people just love to hate gw and love to share it with the community even more. I don't care for the idea of the app but 9 or 10 cards or whatever it is does not seem that unreasonable to me.
The game barely has its feet under it but the usual crowd still has to tear it down.

For me, I can go play WHQ at my local GW and it will cost me 79p to unlock a character from the app for it.

Doesn't seem that bad?

 streetsamurai wrote:

Davor wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
5.50$ for 9 virtual cards. That is disgusting. This settle it, im not buying this game

I guess GW hasn't lernt their lesson after all. Hell my son can get more Magic Cards than that. Is GW trying to say they are better than magic? So sad, I was getting excited for GW and what they were doing. Now I don't feel like buying anything now because of this.

Back to voting with my wallet now.

Exactly. And I'm appalled to see that some are defendidng that decision.

GW has this annoying tendancy to follow their exciting move with a counter move that drains all the excitement that the the first move created. Really disapointing. Now the only hope for the game, imo, is that they release some real physicals expansions (with new rules, scenario, tgiles, minis and cards). If they are well done, this might make me reconsider my decision to not buy ST.

I don't understand how this app makes you not want to buy ST. I played the game yesterday and it was insanely fun, there is tons of content and replay value in the box. This app is just for people who want to go the extra mile. And even then the 9 skills and 9 treasures are not even that great. And the rules for individual heroes are pretty fairly priced imo. You bought a ~20 dollar minature, you get rules for free to use it with the game its intended for and for 1$ you can get rules to use it for a second game as well? That is totally fair imo.

Also, the rules of all the 37 extra heroes are pretty fun and have a relatively big variety. Some stuff is reused but fits with the characters that have them. And every character definitely has an unique role. And I am sure that if the game and the first expansion (the 4 character pack) do well (the app doing well would help im sure), we will see content packs with more tiles, more adversaries, more heroes (with cards) and more skill/treasure cards. And I am also confident that if the demand is high enough they will print the app heroes as real cards. I think it is obvious that with the first expansion and the app this is meant to be something that lasts and is expanded upon in the future, unlike previous GW board games.


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 Bottle wrote:
For me, I can go play WHQ at my local GW and it will cost me 79p to unlock a character from the app for it.

Doesn't seem that bad?

Exactly! Especially because that character already has free rules for a different game... Oh and for anyone who thinks 79p will break their bank, there is rules for 10 characters in the box anyways...

Buying the mega pack - skill, treasure and characters - comes in at almost a 50% discount overall.

The only reason I haven't bought it yet is I've got some concerns about the app. I've submitted feedback, and I'll wait to see what they say. But I'd expect the app to be pretty heavily patched/updated over the next couple of months.

No time to read through everything, probably was answered and I prolly missed it or got lazy .. So, the expansion pack is just 4 models and that's it? no cards or anything, their game info is only in the app and for an extra fee?

If that's the case, I'll just be sticking to the core game then I guess. Apps for tabletop games should be for convenience, not necessary to play. Not much of an expansion if there's no rules included, may as well just call it a model pack or something.

Or is the app for like if you want to use an existing model from one of your AoS armies? That's OK I guess, but still not ideal.. I still wouldn't buy an app, but I'd be happy to pay extra for a deck of cards even if it includes some characters I don't and probably won't own, than be forced to use some dumb app. Guess I'm just old

Based on what's been discussed, the app is not necessary to play.

 Necros wrote:
No time to read through everything, probably was answered and I prolly missed it or got lazy .. So, the expansion pack is just 4 models and that's it? no cards or anything, their game info is only in the app and for an extra fee?

If that's the case, I'll just be sticking to the core game then I guess. Apps for tabletop games should be for convenience, not necessary to play. Not much of an expansion if there's no rules included, may as well just call it a model pack or something.

Or is the app for like if you want to use an existing model from one of your AoS armies? That's OK I guess, but still not ideal.. I still wouldn't buy an app, but I'd be happy to pay extra for a deck of cards even if it includes some characters I don't and probably won't own, than be forced to use some dumb app. Guess I'm just old

Their rules are actually in the rulebook of the core game! Just no cards sadly. However GW stores were given sets of foil cards to give to clients for pre-ordering or something, those do include the 4 extra heroes as physical cards. You could always ask if they have an extra set lying around you could have with your purchase.

They are also available right from the start in the app (the app itself is free) so their rules are completely obtainable for free.

And yeah, the app is basically for characters from AoS. And I agree, physical cards would be nicer, but once you have the rules for your character, you could probably moc something up in photoshop and print it relatively easily.

I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

I opened my copy of ST and I discovered one of the exploration cards is already damaged. Do you think I would be able to obtain a new deck asking to GW with the code written on the label?
here's the scratched card

 streetsamurai wrote:

Davor wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
5.50$ for 9 virtual cards. That is disgusting. This settle it, im not buying this game

I guess GW hasn't lernt their lesson after all. Hell my son can get more Magic Cards than that. Is GW trying to say they are better than magic? So sad, I was getting excited for GW and what they were doing. Now I don't feel like buying anything now because of this.

Back to voting with my wallet now.

Exactly. And I'm appalled to see that some are defendidng that decision.

GW has this annoying tendancy to follow their exciting move with a counter move that drains all the excitement that the the first move created. Really disapointing. Now the only hope for the game, imo, is that they release some real physicals expansions (with new rules, scenario, tgiles, minis and cards). If they are well done, this might make me reconsider my decision to not buy ST.

While I agree that the cards are too expensive and that you absolutely should not buy the app dlc at this price, I struggle to see why this would have such a big impact on your decision to buy the board game. Do you think it is light on content? An easy option if you are hosting a group to play the game, would be to make your own cards. The treasure and skill cards in the box all follow specific pattern, it would not be difficult to come up with new twists on that pattern. The app at this stage is, unfortunately, not a good product. Thankfully the game looks to be a very good product. The existence of the latter will not stop me buying the former.

I will be posting a gently worded message on the GW Facebook page as well as a less than glowing review on the App Store. The recent battleplan sale has shown that GW may be willing to modify dlc prices, especially if nobody buys it.

As for the heroes, I have a knight Venator and a battlemage painted up. This will give me enough heroes to play through the game with two unique parties. I will come back to the app after that (which may be some time from now given my painting speed and the difficulties of getting a regular group together) and see if anything has changed.

Warp Rider wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 ShaneTB wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I don't get how you're supposed to use digital cards... I guess it means your physical cards will be useless since you can't draw from your deck if you're using digital cards?

It assumes you have gone all digital.

You can draw random treasure/skill cards within the app. And roll dice.

The intention of the app is that you do everything in the app (with it being free and optional).

You don't roll the dice in the app. You just keep track of the dice rolls.

You can roll them in app. It is the icon in the top right that you click and then select random.

Sorry didn't see that one.

oh .. well as long as the app isn't totally necessary. Still, I would have preferred to see all of the cards and whatever be free PDFs like they did with the warscrolls if they're not going to print them.. feels like a big step backwards now.

 Necros wrote:
oh .. well as long as the app isn't totally necessary. Still, I would have preferred to see all of the cards and whatever be free PDFs like they did with the warscrolls if they're not going to print them.. feels like a big step backwards now.

You can screenshot the in-app character sheets and then print off the image onto card/thick paper perhaps?

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

This i agree with. I souldnt have a problem with these prices if they were for physical cards. And i must say that im perplexed by those defending the price of the rules for character. Sure they are not expensive, but the prices of these clampack minis are already so inflated, that i find it insulting that they have the gutso to ask for even more to play them in another game

Agree that it has lots of negatives.

But when I think about how I'll pay $4 for a White Dwarf (no subscription just buy the ones that expand B@C, DWOK, Execution Force) for a couple of pages, it doesn't seem too far off.

I'll even buy WDs that have these cards packaged with them so that winds up costing me four bucks for one card.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

This i agree with. I souldnt have a problem with these prices if they were for physical cards. And i must say that im perplexed by those defending the price of the rules for character. Sure they are not expensive, but the prices of these clampack minis are already so inflated, that i find it insulting that they have the gutso to ask for even more to play them in another game

How much would you want to play for a clampack character? At the end of the day people defending them are ones who see a miniature worth it's cost and rules worth their cost too (even in digital format).

I think 79p is a reasonable price to play with one of my AoS characters in the game. The clampack miniatures themselves vary in price and some seem worth it to me whereas others don't.

Damned if you do, Damned if you dont.

GW didn't need to make a huge variety of models available day one for people to play this game with, but they did...

Ive already ordered 4 clampacks, and will pick up that expansion as well. Wont be using the app, not because of money, but because I dont like the format. I applaud GW's effort though regardless.

They made foil promo cards for the extra models not included. I dont see why people dont think at some point they wont sell limited packs of cards, just like the Winds of Magic decks they peddled to people in 8th edition.

Farseer M wrote:
I opened my copy of ST and I discovered one of the exploration cards is already damaged. Do you think I would be able to obtain a new deck asking to GW with the code written on the label?
here's the scratched card

GW are usually pretty good about that sort of thing. Give them a call.

I think that they shoukdnt be above 20-25 cad ( about10-12.5 pounds). At first they were even less expensive than that, and i was buying a ton of them, even some for armies i didnt play. Now, there prices are so ridiculous that i barely buy any

Chopxsticks wrote:
Damned if you do, Damned if you dont.

GW didn't need to make a huge variety of models available day one for people to play this game with, but they did...

Let's not pretend GW is only offering the rules as a charity - GW is pushing sales of $30 models with $1.50 rules.

Ive already ordered 4 clampacks, and will pick up that expansion as well. Wont be using the app, not because of money, but because I dont like the format. I applaud GW's effort though regardless.

Same here. No interest in the board gaming logistics of either everyone paying for each character they might use, or passing a phone around the table. Better to have a physical card, considering everything else is physically there.

I'll wait until GW releases a physical expansion for additional characters, treasures, and skills.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think that they shoukdnt be above 20-25 cad ( about10-12.5 pounds). At first they were even less expensive than that, and i was buying a ton of them, even some for armies i didnt play. Now, there prices are so ridiculous that i barely buy any

Yeah the new heroes are very very expensive. But there are still lots of heroes that fall into your acceptable price range. 15, I counted, from the game (including Lord of Plagues)

Grot Shaman £6
Skaven Warlord £8.20
Aspiring Deathbringer £8.20
Necromancer £9
Lord of Plagues £9
Sorceress £9
Wight King £9
Saurus Oldblood £9
Great Bray Shaman £9
Savage Orruk Warboss £9
Chaos Sorcerer Lord £9
Skink Starpriest £12
Black Ark Fleetmaster £12
Loremaster £12
Assassin £12

I think that gives a lot of options, with the Grot Shaman being the cheapest addition to the game £6.79 in total (incl. rules).

The expansion pack also knocks 4 of the expensive new heroes into this price range too.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

This i agree with. I souldnt have a problem with these prices if they were for physical cards. And i must say that im perplexed by those defending the price of the rules for character. Sure they are not expensive, but the prices of these clampack minis are already so inflated, that i find it insulting that they have the gutso to ask for even more to play them in another game

So you keep saying stuff about 'people defending the price' etc. But I still haven't heard an answer to a question that you have been asked twice; why does the bonus app stuff being 'overpriced' make you not want to buy the core game itself? I really want to know what your reasoning for that is.

Also, I feel like you are being unfair to GW by calling it 'insulting' to ask for 'even more'... In 40k you have to buy the same over priced clamp pack characters and then buy a whole codex.. In AoS you get the rules for AoS for free, and now you also want the rules for Silver Tower for free? I think that is greedy, and you are forgetting that you are already getting stuff extra with the clamp pack... That is just my opinion though.

Let's not pretend GW is only offering the rules as a charity - GW is pushing sales of $30 models with $1.50 rules.

I don't know, in my eyes I guess I don't see it that way. They gave us a free app, and included a large range of models, most of use probably already have. If people enjoy using the app, then why not kick GW a few $$ to unlock a couple extra characters, and put food on the table of the app developers.

Does it suck not having the cards for each model, sure, but I don't doubt for a minute that GW will see the feedback and release a pack of cards to get even more $$$ from us. Test the popularity of the game and then print what needs to be printed.

The app is not needed at all to play the game, and it shouldn't affect your decision to buy it too much.

You only use it if you want to add extra heroes, get extra cards down the line, or as a way to keep track of your heroes between games. From what I played it doesn't seem like you will get through many of the skill or treasure cards in a single session, so you probably won't need/want more for a while anyway, and by then they will probably be leaked, and someone will probably have made downloadable templates for everything so you can make your own cards.

Get the game, have some fun, worry about the app another time.

Silver Tower Errata

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Errata/ENG_Silver_Tower_v1.0.pdf