Age of Sigmar News & Rumours ; Pg 233 Slaughterbrutes and Mutaliths have had a Warscroll update

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**Kanluwen**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Rites of Battle and Artefacts for the other armies are in The General's Compendium. Sylvaneth's stuff is NOT within The General's Compendium though.

The Wargroves and Guardians of Alarielle seem like they might just be reprinting the Sylvaneth material from the campaign books.
I dont know I never heard anyone mention spell lores for the other races in the general book. If its there glad to be wrong.

On the plus if they keep adding points upgrades relics ect to the editions aos might be playable in a couple years.

Didn't see Spell Lores, but they really don't need them since they have unique spells attached to various characters in their different guises(the Gaunt Summoner on foot has a different spell than the disc mounted one for example).

The Sylvaneth have three or four spell-casters, with no variation on them.

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kodos wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Rites of Battle and Artefacts for the other armies are in The General's Compendium.
.

I have only seen the general stuff yet, so are Fireslayer, Stormcast, Bloddbound etc. get their own stuff in the handbook?

The Fyreslayers etc get their stuff from the generic Allegiance stuff as far as I could tell. I only gave the book a brief onceover though.

**privateer4hire**

OgreChubbs wrote:
So the creep starts.

All codexes to this date just had battalions and warscrolls.

Rites of Battle: potent abilities that can be conferred on armies with the Sylvaneth allegiance, and Command Traits that can be used by their generals;
Spell Lores: powerful magic, both defensive and offensive, specifically for sylvaneth wizards;
Artefacts of the Glades: relics of war, usable by sylvaneth heroes;
3 Battleplans, helping you to fight glorious battles based on the narrative leading up to them;
5 Warscroll Battallions, collections of miniatures who gain special abilities when combined;
8 special Warscroll Battalions called Wargroves. These give you even more special abilities, magic items, command traits and spells;
1 Historical Battalion, the Guardians of Alarielle, which recreates the alliance between the sylvaneth and the Stormcast Eternals;
details of the history and organisation of the sylvaneth, with full background for every unit, character and monster in the faction.

I'm all for them having points since it will bring in more players to an actually decent rule system (and it also addresses summoning issues).
But creep is part and parcel of a points system when you have as many armies, alliances and units as AoS has/will have.
If there was no creep, the delay in playtesting would be near epoch level esp. since the studio can't grok the fact that people will try to break the game.

**Nevelon**

Are all the beetle parts on one sprue? It looks like there are two bug bits on the sprue with the queen, but I don’t see where they go on the beetle. Optional?

And it might just be the Starcraft I was playing recently, but is anyone else seeing a queen of blades conversion there?

**ImAGeek**

The two bug bits on Alarielles sprue look like they're the other half of the beetles front claws.

**Lockark**

kodos wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Rites of Battle and Artefacts for the other armies are in The General's Compendium.
.

I have only seen the general stuff yet, so are Fireslayer, Stormcast, Bloddbound etc. get their own stuff in the handbook?

The book mentions that storm casts will get their own stuff and that if you play pure storm casts you can to choose the order or storm cast perks. But you must choose one set or the other.

The perks they give in the book are only the generic ones for each grand alliance. I'm guessing these will other be covered in a new book for be FAQ'D in.

**kodos**

Kanluwen wrote:

The Fyreslayers etc get their stuff from the generic Allegiance stuff as far as I could tell. I only gave the book a brief onceover though.

So we are back in the old days of power creep were all have to wait until their new ~~army book~~ battletome arrives to play on the same power level and hope that the rules don't change too soon after they get their new book.

**NAVARRO**

privateer4hire wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
* Tutorials.

Ah, thanks.
Was thinking "tuts" versus "tutes"

Nothing wrong about thinking tuts

As for the general points debate its a clear GW move towards giving more exposure to AoS. The Handbook should cover a wider range of hobbyist with the all the 3 options. I can see many just wanting to play exclusively with points.
The price of the book looks very tempting too. Specially if he has all the warscrolls.

**Bottle**

Really excited at the thought of Spell Lores coming back. Even if it's only Sylvaneth that get them for the time being.

**Nova_Impero**

Garagehammer did a podcast about the new Sylvaneth battletome. They got a preview copy from GW and did a review on it.
http://garagehammer.net/2016/07/episode-147-battletome-sylvaneth/

**Gimgamgoo**

kodos wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

The Fyreslayers etc get their stuff from the generic Allegiance stuff as far as I could tell. I only gave the book a brief onceover though.

So we are back in the old days of power creep were all have to wait until their new ~~army book~~ battletome arrives to play on the same power level and hope that the rules don't change too soon after they get their new book.

Old days? When did things move away from being like this? Power Creep sells models. Power Creep sells books.
Don't forget the ~~Space Marines~~ Stormcast will get 3 times as many updates as other armies. /sigh

**Nova_Impero**

Bottle wrote:
Really excited at the thought of Spell Lores coming back. Even if it's only Sylvaneth that get them for the time being.

It was something I was surprised about when I heard about it. I wonder if the Sylvaneth book will be a new direction that GW will do in there future battletomes after the release of the General's Handbook.

**ImAGeek**

Nova_Impero wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Really excited at the thought of Spell Lores coming back. Even if it's only Sylvaneth that get them for the time being.

It was something I was surprised about when I heard about it. I wonder if the Sylvaneth book will be a new direction that GW will do in there future battletomes after the release of the General's Handbook.

I believe they've said as much, somewhere.

Ah it's in white dwarf, it says 'the battletome is the first of a new breed...'

**GoatboyBeta**

With GW using digital more these days they could always add spell lore's, rites of battle and command traits to the existing battletomes through the app and website.

**VeteranNoob**

Gimgamgoo wrote:
kodos wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:

The Fyreslayers etc get their stuff from the generic Allegiance stuff as far as I could tell. I only gave the book a brief onceover though.

So we are back in the old days of power creep were all have to wait until their new ~~army book~~ battletome arrives to play on the same power level and hope that the rules don't change too soon after they get their new book.

Old days? When did things move away from being like this? Power Creep sells models. Power Creep sells books.
Don't forget the ~~Space Marines~~ Stormcast will get 3 times as many updates as other armies. /sigh

Nooooo nooooo the Fyreslayers and anyone not Sylvaneth (cuz they are first book and have theirs included) will have an extra trait if their allegiance does not involve other factions in a GA. My game with Fyfreslayers vs. Flesh EC was a blast. We each took the battle GA traits and opted to roll for command traits, since it was Thursday and we didn't (still don't) have spec traits for our armies staying in only our battle tomes.

**kodos**

Gimgamgoo wrote:

Old days? When did things move away from being like this?

We had a view months were everyone was saying GW changes, GW learned from mistakes, everything will be better now with the fresh restart, GW listens to costumers (thats the only reason why we get the handbook) etc

Nice 6 months and the only thing left is that I can say to some people "I told you"

**Zognob Gorgoff**

kodos wrote:
Gimgamgoo wrote:

Old days? When did things move away from being like this?

We had a view months were everyone was saying GW changes, GW learned from mistakes, everything will be better now with the fresh restart, GW listens to costumers (thats the only reason why we get the handbook) etc

Nice 6 months and the only thing left is that I can say to some people "I told you"

I agree it would be great if GW listened to all the cos-player's. But in all seriousness they are still a company out to make money what do you expect, they have dramatically improved in several key areas which i think deserve acknowledgment.

**OgreChubbs**

Sooo when are they updating my ironjawz to spell lore and not be a crappy army? Lol first 40k ork now fantasy.

Future book new sigmarine was so bad ass he rode the biggest ork anyone ever seen all night and killed a bajillion of them only a couple million more then the other sigmarine of legend tho.

So far it is paning out for chaos like that aswell lol. 20 bloodreavers of bloodtown lose to 5 sigmarines lol.

You seen it in 40k now see it here, chaos and ork shall now and always be the poster boys... You know the ones the marines walk on to be cool. We are on the posters, just usually only parts of us or laying on the ground.

Wait a second.... Is there already 2 sigmarine chapters? The lizard riders and then the bread and butters?

**Swampmist**

Inactually don't see why this is a problem. Spell lores are cool and all, but most wizards have a spell or two listed on their profile, so it hardly matters. Everything else they got everyone else got too in the GH. IIRC, the book even says that you can take an extra relic for every Battalion you bring, so the sylvaneth just have a slightly better version that, as AOS has tended toward, trades versatility for power. The same reasoning is why I like the summoning changes. Because you essentially "sideboard" your points for summoning, you can choose during the game what you summon, but it takes effort and living wizards, and the summoned units can't be in battalions. You trade the power of having units on the board for buffing, objective holding, ect. And the consistency of having them on the board for versatility.

**Davor**

Kanluwen wrote:
zamerion wrote:
Nobody comment this from Faeit?

Of course not. People mostly ignore that craphole. He/the site basically tends to take existing rumors add their own garbage on top of it to claim it as their own rumormongers operating anonymously, and then gets pissy when called out on it. I genuinely cannot think of a time where any of the bolted-on rumors that the site claims have been unknown or surprising.

What a way to insult Dakka. I mean Dakka is no better than Feit on taking rumours from other sites. At least Feit admits that is all he does. He doesn't make rumours just collects them. So I don't understand your point of saying "He/the site basically tends to take existing rumours" because that is all he does. Please show me "thier own garbage on top of it and claim it as his own." I never seen him do it once. So if I am mistaken please correct me on it.

I just find it weird you are complaining against someone who only collects rumours for people like us to read. If you crap on him, you crap on Dakka as well, since Dakka never gives out rumours, just mentions them just like Feit does.

**Mymearan**

kodos wrote:
Gimgamgoo wrote:

Old days? When did things move away from being like this?

We had a view months were everyone was saying GW changes, GW learned from mistakes, everything will be better now with the fresh restart, GW listens to costumers (thats the only reason why we get the handbook) etc

Nice 6 months and the only thing left is that I can say to some people "I told you"

Except that's still the case and adding new stuff in Battletomes doesn't change any of that. We know for a fact that there has been a huge change for the better in the culture at GW, we've heard it from multiple sources within or working closely with the company, and seen the evidence ourselves. As for AoS, all the warscrolls are still free and the only required purchase (not actually required unless you want to play with points) is the £15 General's Handbook. So no need for extreme hyperbole. So if you say "I told you so", most people will answer "Huh?"

**Zywus**

So, 'Pay to win' in AoS is no longer restricted to what models you purchase?

Now you can instead buy certain books to make your models better in points costed games?

**Fezza213**

Zywus wrote:
So, Pay to win in AoS is no longer restricted to what models you purchase?

Now you can instead buy certain books to make your models better in points costed games?

And how is this different to any other table top game? AoS give most of the rules away for free at least, every table top game expects you to buy miniatures and most expect you to buy books which have rules which increase the power of your army.

I feel sorry for GW, damned if you do damned if you don't, personally I am loving all the new marketing and direction the company is taking. From some of the more recent rumours I would say the generals handbook will be a frequent release (bi-annual or annual) updating each time to add all the new stuff and changing to the new campaign. Also do not be surprised in the slightest if fyreslayers, bloodbound, stormcasts, skaven pestilence and flesh eaters (aka all the battletomes we have had so far) get some sort of update to bring them in line with the sylvaneth book, but the handbook and sylvaneth book are not even out yet so i wouldn't expect those for another few week if it happens.

Fez

**str00dles1**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Sooo when are they updating my ironjawz to spell lore and not be a crappy army? Lol first 40k ork now fantasy.

Future book new sigmarine was so bad ass he rode the biggest ork anyone ever seen all night and killed a bajillion of them only a couple million more then the other sigmarine of legend tho.

So far it is paning out for chaos like that aswell lol. 20 bloodreavers of bloodtown lose to 5 sigmarines lol.

You seen it in 40k now see it here, chaos and ork shall now and always be the poster boys... You know the ones the marines walk on to be cool. We are on the posters, just usually only parts of us or laying on the ground.

Wait a second.... Is there already 2 sigmarine chapters? The lizard riders and then the bread and butters?

Have you played a game with the points system? If you haven't youll find out your quite mistaken.

Zywus wrote:
So, 'Pay to win' in AoS is no longer restricted to what models you purchase?

Now you can instead buy certain books to make your models better in points costed games?

So your upset about something that isn't even out yet and know nothing about. Adding "lore" does not make the faction broken or more powerful then any other. It gives them options, just like every other faction there that also has tons of spell casting options.

The world cried when WFB was nicked, and now they are slowly bringing parts of it back into their system and being hate them for it.

**Mymearan**

Trying to spin the fact that 95% of the rules are free, aside from
a few artifacts and spells you get in the Battletomes, into something negative is... Interesting. Gotta keep that train rolling somehow I guess.

**Nostromodamus**

Indeed. I went from skeptical to all in on AoS, it's a surprisingly fun game for me and my wife. Along with the board game releases, we're loving GW lately.

**Zywus**

Fezza213 wrote:
every table top game expects you to buy miniatures and most expect you to buy books which have rules which increase the power of your army.

Do they?
I thought most games provided you with rules (free or for a cost) to use your models, period.

Not have the very same models be more or less powerful depending on which book you use to field them.

**OgreChubbs**

Zywus wrote:
Fezza213 wrote:
every table top game expects you to buy miniatures and most expect you to buy books which have rules which increase the power of your army.

Do they?
I thought most games provided you with rules (free or for a cost) to use your models, period.

Not have the very same models be more or less powerful depending on which book you use to field them.

Whats wrong with that?

Pay for the book and your models are 20% better. seems fair.

**VeteranNoob**

So...

while all the gak storm of engaging the borderline trolling is fascinating

... are there any news or rumors for next week? The Monday leak became the slightly 1-2 weeks earlier at times. Campaign, something for Heresy it appears, but I would expect to see more AoS for the next few weeks. I'm chompin' at the bit for more new AoS stuff leading into the campaign and want my new dwarfs/duardin

**Swara**

Having the General's handbook in front of me and from what I've seen it looks fairly balanced.
I'm not sure why people are saying the newer things are better, from all the games I've played they are fairly equal.
I saw the example here of 20 bloodreevers looking to a min squad of judicators.. well 20 bloodreevers are 40 pts less then them so I don't see how that's out of line..

**Ghaz**

Davor wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
zamerion wrote:
Nobody comment this from Faeit?

Of course not. People mostly ignore that craphole. He/the site basically tends to take existing rumors add their own garbage on top of it to claim it as their own rumormongers operating anonymously, and then gets pissy when called out on it. I genuinely cannot think of a time where any of the bolted-on rumors that the site claims have been unknown or surprising.

What a way to insult Dakka. I mean Dakka is no better than Feit on taking rumours from other sites. At least Feit admits that is all he does. He doesn't make rumours just collects them. So I don't understand your point of saying "He/the site basically tends to take existing rumours" because that is all he does. Please show me "thier own garbage on top of it and claim it as his own." I never seen him do it once. So if I am mistaken please correct me on it.

I just find it weird you are complaining against someone who only collects rumours for people like us to read. If you crap on him, you crap on Dakka as well, since Dakka never gives out rumours, just mentions them just like Feit does.

When was the last time you saw Yakface post an anonymous rumor?

Faeit and Dakka work differently. When Faeit post his rumors from an 'anonymous' source, he becomes responsible for those rumors. If he's not willing to take even a modicum of effort to weed out his less reliable 'anonymous' sources, then his credibility suffers.

Dakka doesn't post rumors. Dakka users post rumors. If poster Joe Schmoe posts a bunch of 'anonymous' rumors that don't pan out, then it's Joe Schmoe's credibility that suffers. Dakka's credibility only suffers when the number of Joe Schmoe's far out weigh the number of Sad Pandas and Lady Atias.

Don't confuse the poster of the rumors with where the rumors are posted. Faeit the website may do a decent job at rumors, but Faeit the user lacks any credibility.