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**Bulldogging**

Well I don't know what their plan in for AoS, but I will say that no one in my play group had any interest in it at all until now...

2 of us are buying armies, with more soon to follow I'm sure.

The models look great, the rules and points look great.

My opinion of course.

**unmercifulconker**

Ordered nearly every Battletome and all the Realmgate books to play catch up, never been so excited for AoS, all these upcoming changes and additions with the Sylvaneth are glorious. One of my disappointments initially with Sigmar was the lack of spell lores and it felt really generic like 'oh just one spell for a character yipee.'

Only problem I also ordered the handbook which I forgot doesn't release till the 23rd so I think I will have to wait till then for my books.

Eagerly awaiting a Vampire Battletome with I hope new plastic Vamps, my god I would be so fething ready!

I also hope whatever force wins the campaign gets a nice piece of victory artwork in the next book.

**Neronoxx**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
5 new kits for Treedudes.

I was thinking AoS might be GW's attempt to shrink a bloated WHFB range, but it seems they are releasing just as many kits as they've culled.

The issue was never the quantity of kits.

The issue was the quantity of kits that didn't sell enough to justify keeping them.

Which was a large portion.

**highlord tamburlaine**

...so any word on Paths to Glory?

Anyone give it a good look over?

All these Bloodbound sitting in front of me need to get their bounding on!

**privateer4hire**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
5 new kits for Treedudes.

I was thinking AoS might be GW's attempt to shrink a bloated WHFB range, but it seems they are releasing just as many kits as they've culled.

While I think the zombie-trees are nice models, I prefer the dryads and will be using them as counts as if I do take the plunge with Sylvaneth.
The biggest hold-up for me is that really cool everqueen model. It's awesome but $130 for a single miniature---especially one that is so delicate is making me think about what I could sell from my gaming stuff

**jojo_monkey_boy**

privateer4hire wrote:

The biggest hold-up for me is that really cool everqueen model. It's awesome but $130 for a single miniature

This is one of my problems with AoS as well. WFB was horrendously expensive in 8th edition because of the volume of models you needed at GW's prices. Now we have a game that seems to want to play at a smaller scale and rather than learning their lesson on cost, GW has just made their new kits horrendously priced to match the shift in army scale. Look at these new kits: 5 tree-revenants are 45 CAD. That's 9 dollars for a model a pretty slight infantry model.

As a relatively geeky dude, am I going to spend ~50 on just one box of models or on a relatively similarly priced computer game that I will be guaranteed to get 10x the time value out of?

**Nostromodamus**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

As a relatively geeky dude, am I going to spend ~50 on just one box of models or on a relatively similarly priced computer game that I will be guaranteed to get 10x the time value out of?

Kinda funny you say that because I tend to get 10x as much time value out of minis compared to computer games

**Nomeny**

Well, if you believe that you will get 10x the value out of a different product, then buy that product. If you believe that you'd rather have the models, buy them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not falling over myself to buy the new AoS miniatures, but I'm not going to criticise the price just because I don't like them enough to buy them at that price point instead of something I like more.

**tneva82**

Fayric wrote:
Great! The magic need something to make it interresting IMO.
It has been kind of silly to see such lame spells for this supposedly uber fantastical magic-made-manifest kind of setting.

Yeah this was one big surprise for me with whole AOS. When whole idea of game was to throw any idea of balanced points etc out and leave players sort it for themselves it would have been excelent spot to make really wacky magic rules.

Instead they gave magic that would have been more suited for games that aim to offer high balance which means for starters random effects needs to be toned down. More suited for kings of war.

The line they took isn't bad per se but if you are creating ruleset that suits more b&p rather than competive felt bit "huh? Did somebody slip in wrong magic rules in?"

Felt so at odds with overall feel of the game.

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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
5 new kits for Treedudes.

I was thinking AoS might be GW's attempt to shrink a bloated WHFB range, but it seems they are releasing just as many kits as they've culled.

But how long will they keep the models on sale? Models sells best when they are young. Many of the culled models have been around for quite a while so turnout rate is pretty slow from getting to stores to being retired. If they accelerate that range that accomplishesh shrinking of range. New models come to get their 3 months or so hypersale faster without causing steady increase of range you upkeep.

**Smellingsalts**

I think they are still trying to find the right price for their miniatures. They have stubbornly said that they would not drop the price, then they made a bunch of start collecting boxes where they dramatically dropped the price. They also made a bunch of boxed games (Renegades, Gore Chosen, Silver Tower Character Expansion) where your savings are even better. The pricing in AOS is all over the place. Many of the boxes of 5 figures are over priced. On the other hand,the army center piece models (Nagash, Stardrake, Maw Crusha, The Sylvaneth Everqueen) are totally worth the price. In the hobby gaming universe, miniature games have always been the most expensive, with the exception of the Magic card game(and if you magic players think it is cheaper because a pack is 5 bucks, you are deluding yourself. How many BOXES of packs have you bought?).

**ShaneTB**

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
...so any word on Paths to Glory?

Anyone give it a good look over?

All these Bloodbound sitting in front of me need to get their bounding on!

https://ttgamingdiary.wordpress.com/2016/06/29/review-generals-handbook-campaign-pack/

...Path to Glory, which will be familiar to Chaos players who picked up the ebooks from Black Library last Christmas. In a nutshell, you pick a leader, then roll for or choose their retinue. You then play through a variety of battles to accrue Glory Points. The player to first gain a certain number of Glory Points (the default is 10, but you can change that for shorter or longer campaigns – 10 will see you complete the campaign over a long Saturday or lazy weekend) wins!

The big change between what is presented here and the Path to Glory campaign released last Christmas, however, is that it is no longer restricted to Chaos forces.

Warband tables have been included not only for Chaos forces, but also Stormcasts, Fyreslayers, Skaven, Ironjawz, Sylvaneth and Death armies. It is very easy to imagine that not only is this quite a simple list for GW to expand upon later with new forces, but a great many will start springing up, designed by players, to handle older forces – I would expect to see Freeguild warband tables appearing online very quickly!

Path to Glory has two Battleplans included, both from the Christmas release (The Monolith and Beast’s Lair – the latter is quite fun!), but you can use any Battleplans for this campaign. Simply agree a Battleplan with your opponent and fight!

**tneva82**

Smellingsalts wrote:
I think they are still trying to find the right price for their miniatures. They have stubbornly said that they would not drop the price, then they made a bunch of start collecting boxes where they dramatically dropped the price. They also made a bunch of boxed games (Renegades, Gore Chosen, Silver Tower Character Expansion) where your savings are even better. The pricing in AOS is all over the place. Many of the boxes of 5 figures are over priced. On the other hand,the army center piece models (Nagash, Stardrake, Maw Crusha, The Sylvaneth Everqueen) are totally worth the price. In the hobby gaming universe, miniature games have always been the most expensive, with the exception of the Magic card game(and if you magic players think it is cheaper because a pack is 5 bucks, you are deluding yourself. How many BOXES of packs have you bought?).

New box that offers discount isn't making prices cheaper and isn't even comparable to flat out reducing prices of models themselves.

Yes it makes models cheaper per se but often by tempting player to buy something they wouldn't have bought anyway. Players spend MORE money in the end but are happier doing because they feel it's worth more.

**Chopxsticks**

I dont think the prices are unreasonable. I got into Warmachine Hordes because I was led to believe model count was low and prices were better. Not the case.

A Gargantuan which is the equivalent in price and size as other center piece models but lacks the detail, and extra's.

I also see this among many other units, price per model is the same or higher and lacks all the extra's that GW packs into their sprues.

Not to mention how clean GW models are and need very little prep work. All of this to me is worth the cost, most of the time equal cost, some times higher, but worth it to someone who is Hobby first, game second.

I dont see as much complaining about PP models though because the rules and community are great. I bet no one would whine about GW prices if the rules were tight and fair and the community more enjoyable.

**NinthMusketeer**

tneva82 wrote:
Smellingsalts wrote:
I think they are still trying to find the right price for their miniatures. They have stubbornly said that they would not drop the price, then they made a bunch of start collecting boxes where they dramatically dropped the price. They also made a bunch of boxed games (Renegades, Gore Chosen, Silver Tower Character Expansion) where your savings are even better. The pricing in AOS is all over the place. Many of the boxes of 5 figures are over priced. On the other hand,the army center piece models (Nagash, Stardrake, Maw Crusha, The Sylvaneth Everqueen) are totally worth the price. In the hobby gaming universe, miniature games have always been the most expensive, with the exception of the Magic card game(and if you magic players think it is cheaper because a pack is 5 bucks, you are deluding yourself. How many BOXES of packs have you bought?).

New box that offers discount isn't making prices cheaper and isn't even comparable to flat out reducing prices of models themselves.

Yes it makes models cheaper per se but often by tempting player to buy something they wouldn't have bought anyway. Players spend MORE money in the end but are happier doing because they feel it's worth more.

Considering the contents and the discount, it's quite likely that players would have bought those models anyway with maybe one unit on the side that they wouldn't have. And they will have gotten it for less than buying on its own. So really, people will be happier because what they got IS worth more even in the objective sense.

**kodos**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

This is one of my problems with AoS as well.

This is GW, a new army will always cost 500-600 no matther what the rules look like or how much the model count is reduced

Chopxsticks wrote:
I dont think the prices are unreasonable. I got into Warmachine Hordes because I was led to believe model count was low and prices were better. Not the case.

Depends on what you are playing
I got into WM, got the most expensiv faction there and it a tournament army was still half the price than what a new tournament-ready army would have cost for 40k (better said it cost me less than bring my Marines back on a playable level)

And while some bigger models don't have that much details, they actually look different and are not just a copy&paste CAD model (like the new tree monster has the same pose like a imperial knight or chaos dread)

**tneva82**

NinthMusketeer wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Smellingsalts wrote:
I think they are still trying to find the right price for their miniatures. They have stubbornly said that they would not drop the price, then they made a bunch of start collecting boxes where they dramatically dropped the price. They also made a bunch of boxed games (Renegades, Gore Chosen, Silver Tower Character Expansion) where your savings are even better. The pricing in AOS is all over the place. Many of the boxes of 5 figures are over priced. On the other hand,the army center piece models (Nagash, Stardrake, Maw Crusha, The Sylvaneth Everqueen) are totally worth the price. In the hobby gaming universe, miniature games have always been the most expensive, with the exception of the Magic card game(and if you magic players think it is cheaper because a pack is 5 bucks, you are deluding yourself. How many BOXES of packs have you bought?).

New box that offers discount isn't making prices cheaper and isn't even comparable to flat out reducing prices of models themselves.

Yes it makes models cheaper per se but often by tempting player to buy something they wouldn't have bought anyway. Players spend MORE money in the end but are happier doing because they feel it's worth more.
Considering the contents and the discount, it's quite likely that players would have bought those models anyway with maybe one unit on the side that they wouldn't have. And they will have gotten it for less than buying on its own. So really, people will be happier because what they got IS worth more even in the objective sense.

Not claiming they aren't worth but it's not reducing price of models. It's well known marketing trick that works out better for GW than just reducing prices flat out.

So just because they are offering start collecting boxes don't expect price decreases for units. Individual boxes keep going up high even for new releases. If we are lucky they will keep prices stable for next decade or so(hahaha) resulting in effective price drop but that's about it.

They aren't wondering about price. Just experimenting new ways to sell.

**Neronoxx**

Nostromodamus wrote:
jojo_monkey_boy wrote:

As a relatively geeky dude, am I going to spend ~50 on just one box of models or on a relatively similarly priced computer game that I will be guaranteed to get 10x the time value out of?

Kinda funny you say that because I tend to get 10x as much time value out of minis compared to computer games

This is actually my logic. Up until 6 years ago I was a huge video gamer. But with the decline of quality titles in the Video Game industry, and the 'always good' essence at the heart of miniature gaming, I can't stomach a $60 dollar game.

**OgreChubbs**

The prices make sense and always will.

1: They place 1 price on models and leave it as that for years. So they risk market crashing ect, usa dollar dropped so they where buying models cheaper then expected for a while.

Also places like walmart change prices on items weekly and the increase never bothers anyone because it is slow.

Subway use to charge 4.95$ for a pizza sub. Then a year later 5.50$ two years later 6.25$ now it is 7.25$. So almost a 3$ increase in about 6 years.

2: they price models basd on how many someone will buy. 20 clan rats where 40$, 1 globadiar was 16$

Bloodthrister is 5$ cheaper then scar brand and you get two sprus just like the blood thrister and all the sprus are the same size.

So if they expect people to only buy 1 and not everyone will want one high price. If everyone will want them and you need tons lot less money.

**NinthMusketeer**

tneva82 wrote:

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NinthMusketeer wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
Smellingsalts wrote:
I think they are still trying to find the right price for their miniatures. They have stubbornly said that they would not drop the price, then they made a bunch of start collecting boxes where they dramatically dropped the price. They also made a bunch of boxed games (Renegades, Gore Chosen, Silver Tower Character Expansion) where your savings are even better. The pricing in AOS is all over the place. Many of the boxes of 5 figures are over priced. On the other hand,the army center piece models (Nagash, Stardrake, Maw Crusha, The Sylvaneth Everqueen) are totally worth the price. In the hobby gaming universe, miniature games have always been the most expensive, with the exception of the Magic card game(and if you magic players think it is cheaper because a pack is 5 bucks, you are deluding yourself. How many BOXES of packs have you bought?).

New box that offers discount isn't making prices cheaper and isn't even comparable to flat out reducing prices of models themselves.

Yes it makes models cheaper per se but often by tempting player to buy something they wouldn't have bought anyway. Players spend MORE money in the end but are happier doing because they feel it's worth more.
Considering the contents and the discount, it's quite likely that players would have bought those models anyway with maybe one unit on the side that they wouldn't have. And they will have gotten it for less than buying on its own. So really, people will be happier because what they got IS worth more even in the objective sense.

Not claiming they aren't worth but it's not reducing price of models. It's well known marketing trick that works out better for GW than just reducing prices flat out.

So just because they are offering start collecting boxes don't expect price decreases for units. Individual boxes keep going up high even for new releases. If we are lucky they will keep prices stable for next decade or so(hahaha) resulting in effective price drop but that's about it.

They aren't wondering about price. Just experimenting new ways to sell.

Were the discount less steep I would agree, but in this case I think people really do end up spending notably less for notably more. The Start Collecting: Seraphon box or Skeleton Horde are the best examples of this; they cost effectively the same as buying just the centerpiece model on its own yet come with all the extra troops.

[edit] In other words, barring those customers who only want a single kit for a panting competition or such the price for miniatures to play AoS goes down.

**Bottle**

Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

**Cataphract**

Any word for the Steamhead Duardin?

**privateer4hire**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
privateer4hire wrote:

The biggest hold-up for me is that really cool everqueen model. It's awesome but $130 for a single miniature

This is one of my problems with AoS as well. WFB was horrendously expensive in 8th edition because of the volume of models you needed at GW's prices. Now we have a game that seems to want to play at a smaller scale and rather than learning their lesson on cost, GW has just made their new kits horrendously priced to match the shift in army scale. Look at these new kits: 5 tree-revenants are 45 CAD. That's 9 dollars for a model a pretty slight infantry model.

As a relatively geeky dude, am I going to spend ~50 on just one box of models or on a relatively similarly priced computer game that I will be guaranteed to get 10x the time value out of?[/quote

AoS pricing has been kind of screwy from the start but the Start Collecting boxes have been really good.
I know that Sylvaneth are a new release so they're going for maximum reasonable price, from their standpoint.
I'm actually a fan of AoS and think you can play very reasonably depending on which army/armies you go for.
For example, if you are willing to play with basic level of variety buying 2 starter boxes for $250 max gets you 2 very nice forces of stormcast & khorne.

More than price by itself, I'm more nervous about delicate model design.
I'm careful with my miniatures but I just know that slender elf queen and spindly bits would be destroyed by any actual gaming where I play
It's a beautiful model but its kind of impractical, at least to me.

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Bottle wrote:
Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

Agreed. Probably learned a pricing lesson with the dwarves, I'm thinking.

**Accolade**

Bottle wrote:
Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

Indeed, the evolution of AOS has shown that GW can turn the course of the ship, even if they have to grind the hull against the iceberg and sack the captain in the process.

**Talys**

Bottle wrote:
Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

Sometimes, I suspect that GW pricing is an exercise in pricing flexibility experimentation

Often, there is seemingly little rhyme or reason as to how new releases get priced.

I love the Sylvaneth models, though. I think if I were to start AoS in earnest, it would be with them. But that's so far off in my modelling adventures... I want to finish my Blood Angels, re-do my entire Eldar army, paint up the Silver Tower box, model a new Necron army, paint a few Tau pieces just for fun, catch up on my Imperial Guard... By the time I get to Sylvaneth, they'll be re-releasing it, LOL.

**Bottle**

Cataphract wrote:Any word for the Steamhead Duardin?

The most exciting bit of news I can give you is the Sylvaneth battletome has a battalion that can include units with the "Duardin" keyword. As fire and forests don't usually mix well, I would expect there will be some Dwarves released in the future that are friends of the forest.

Doesn't really sound like Steamhead lol, maybe "Amber Duardin". They could be sages that guard the forest spirits. Maybe they could all have pointy red hats and a fondness of fishing.

There is also a city in the campaign called Greywater Fastness that was built with Magic and Steam Technology. All the units we would consider "steamhead" are currently the Duardin half of the Ironweld Arsonal. Maybe the city will get expanded upon if it survives the summer.

Accolade wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

Indeed, the evolution of AOS has shown that GW can turn the course of the ship, even if they have to grind the hull against the iceberg and sack the captain in the process.

Agreed. Too bad for Fyreslayer players though as their models are "locked" into this higher pricing and won't seem good value for another 5-10 years when inflation catches up.

Talys wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

Sometimes, I suspect that GW pricing is an exercise in pricing flexibility experimentation Often, there is seemingly little rhyme or reason as to how new releases get priced.

I love the Sylvaneth models, though. I think if I were to start AoS in earnest, it would be with them. But that's so far off in my modelling adventures... I want to finish my Blood Angels, re-do my entire Eldar army, paint up the Silver Tower box, model a new Necron army, paint a few Tau pieces just for fun, catch up on my Imperial Guard... By the time I get to Sylvaneth, they'll be re-releasing it, LOL.

Don't you have a Nagash to paint up too?

**Colonel Cabbage**

Anyone got a picture of the Death Path to Glory Pages?

**Baron Klatz**

@Bottle, That's really interesting about the Sylvaneths and Duardin alliance.

I could actually see it being the steamhead Duardin if they keep the dwarfen principle that good machinery doesn't need wooden parts, only stone and metal.

The only reason the old dwarfs bothered with trees was for fuel. If they use energy sources like the realm stones then they don't need to bother the forest at all. (Save perhaps for roads)

**shinros**

Baron Klatz wrote:
@Bottle, That's really interesting about the Sylvaneths and Duardin alliance.

I could actually see it being the steamhead Duardin if they keep the dwarfen principle that good machinery doesn't need wooden parts, only stone and metal.

The only reason the old dwarfs bothered with trees was for fuel. If they use energy sources like the realm stones then they don't need to bother the forest at all. (Save perhaps for roads)

Problem is that the sylvaneth and their goddess quite dislike the industrial city that was made in the realm of life and have come to blows sometimes.

**EnTyme**

Talys wrote:
Bottle wrote:
Well, looks like the Sylvaneth were priced much more cheaply than the Fyreslayers. Seemed to pay off as they sold out their stock too. Hopefully GW have found a good pricing median with this latest release.

Sometimes, I suspect that GW pricing is an exercise in pricing flexibility experimentation Often, there is seemingly little rhyme or reason as to how new releases get priced.

I love the Sylvaneth models, though. I think if I were to start AoS in earnest, it would be with them. But that's so far off in my modelling adventures... I want to finish my Blood Angels, re-do my entire Eldar army, paint up the Silver Tower box, model a new Necron army, paint a few Tau pieces just for fun, catch up on my Imperial Guard... By the time I get to Sylvaneth, they'll be re-releasing it, LOL.

I know that feeling. I just bought the Grand Alliance: Chaos battletome last week, then went home and opened my closet. I'm completely out of space to put unassembled models. Need to put a dent in those Space Marines and finish those Genestealer Cultists before I can even think about buying any Slaves to Darkness.

**sfshilo**

Mymearan wrote:
cyberjonesy wrote:
Kind of silly that the FAQ about wizards casting stacking the same spell on a unit directly contradicts the new "three rules of one" where no spell may be cast more than once even from different wizards...

It's not silly, the core rules still allow spells to be cast multiple times by different wizards, and this FAQ is for the core rules. What you're talking about are the optional Pitched Battle rules.

"Optional" lol, like anyone is going to play non-pitched battle games now that it exists.

The new points/rules for pitched battles make the game fun again. No more shenanigans, no more wracking your brain on how to have a fun even match. Actual strategy and limitations breeds fun games, this wide open crap was a pain in the butt.

And for 25 bucks, that is a perfect price point.

Gorgeous models, nice kits, a sound rule set, and actual information leading up to a release. Sounds good to me.

Also, those of you mentioning "pubic vines", get a life/sig other, if you think that's what pubic anything looks like you haven't been out much.