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So I am to believe that he took time to write his own history books while he was palin' around with space dragon? Because I recall nothing but the core of the planet surviving, unless he had a library stuck to the bottom of his foot like many heroes wont go into battle without their trusty underfoot skull. Besides, in a time where war is endless, when would he have time to explain the clothing styles and heraldry to artisans and fashion designers about what feathers and codpieces to use?

 shinros wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:

 shinros wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
Really want to know when they will give the Armies of Man an update, considering they did a cop-out re-release like the lizard men (missed opportunity to be more like Slanni space lazers). I mean, they gotta change the aesthetic of how empire looks... "when you aren't heroic enough to be turned into a stormcast, ya just die...or become a skeleton(zombies are defunct)"

I suspect devoted of sigmar are in the pipeline somewhere considering a hint GW dropped on facebook with the release of sliver tower. Funny enough in the summer campaign fluff it's the devoted that are cleansing the surrounding lands of nurgle's corruption.

I just find it extremely shoddy to explain that the humans looks like the empire of old because Sigmar told the people about his once great kingdom (that he wasnt really around for to witness). So unless he had a picture book, and told everyone what Italian, Swiss guard and the renaissance looked like, I find it impossible for them to, in a nut shell, be exactly the same as before. Just my grievance for wanting a human faction to be solid and represented in splendor.

Well it's not all that shoddy considering sigmar was the one who set up the empire in the first place and has actually been watching them from it's creation all the way to end times since his soul was bound in the winds of heavens. Plus he actually does have history books on the old world in his realm, I do suspect the new devoted of sigmar is going to take after the warrior priest from sliver tower.

I don't know that Sigmar was watching all of history, what with apparently being bound in the Great Vortex. That said, when Karl Franz died at the end of Glottkin and Sigmar possessed his corpse, he did get a very up-close look at the (then-)modern Empire.

Uh, remember Sigmar is a deity and not a human.

 Ghaz wrote:
Uh, remember Sigmar is a deity and not a human.

Not sure what this validates. He was a human until GW 'creatively' had to retcon what happened to him, after he departed from his 'crude' version of the empire. Deity or not, the gods still need to teach people things. But then again, did he really have time to when he was busy with the endless space wars and fabricating 'TK son fantasy space marines'? Or why bother with fragile people when he can have his race of super men? But hey when was the last time Sigmar actually did anything besides sit on his high throne? Dude couldn't even get his own hammer..Then again this a company that had its chance at clean slating everything, but brings just about every dead named character back to life with the only real reason of 'its our IP and we don't want to cultivate new ones'.

No news here, just side tracking the thread. That being said, I want new humans that thematically fit and could be justified for existing as an army, considering their allies; Fantasy Marines are as nearly innumerable as they are unstoppable.

But hey those tree spirit elves are pretty cool!

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Uh, remember Sigmar is a deity and not a human.

Not sure what this validates. He was a human until GW 'creatively' had to retcon what happened to him, after he departed from his 'crude' version of the empire. Deity or not, the gods still need to teach people things. But then again, did he really have time to when he was busy with the endless space wars and fabricating 'TK son fantasy space marines'? Or why bother with fragile people when he can have his race of super men? But hey when was the last time Sigmar actually did anything besides sit on his high throne? Dude couldn't even get his own hammer..Then again this a company that had its chance at clean slating everything, but brings just about every dead named character back to life with the only real reason of 'its our IP and we don't want to cultivate new ones'.

No news here, just side tracking the thread. That being said, I want new humans that thematically fit and could be justified for existing as an army, considering their allies; Fantasy Marines are as nearly innumerable as they are unstoppable.

But hey those tree spirit elves are pretty cool!

You either haven't read any of the story for yourself, or are just trolling.
This is about as inaccurate a summary of events as possible. I recommend you at least borrow a copy and read it. You'll find that literally every questioned you asked is explained, and that these are stupid questions. OR start a thread in the Background forum. Your choice. I'd really recommend it however, it's actually quite nice.
My question is when does the Tzeentch stuff get released, and will it see points costs incorporated into the warscrolls, an FAQ alongside it, or will they not have points at all? If they decide to just attach points to the warscrolls, that would be easiest, but I just dont see that as being realistic. An Errata or FAQ also seems oddly round about, but possible, but it would be extremely disappointing to see a bunch of brand new shinies not usable at a competitive level.

lol





yes, birdmen please

I'm looking forward to new humans - but at the same time I'm not because in all likelihood* they will be on 32mm bases and massive compared to the old Empire. As an Empire collector its a little bit sad that GW won't make any more human models to the same scale as my current collection.

*based on the size of mortal humans in Silvertower and the new Bloodbowl + a White Dwarf interview with a ST designer stating the acolytes are "standard human sized".

Neronoxx wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Uh, remember Sigmar is a deity and not a human.

Not sure what this validates. He was a human until GW 'creatively' had to retcon what happened to him, after he departed from his 'crude' version of the empire. Deity or not, the gods still need to teach people things. But then again, did he really have time to when he was busy with the endless space wars and fabricating 'TK son fantasy space marines'? Or why bother with fragile people when he can have his race of super men? But hey when was the last time Sigmar actually did anything besides sit on his high throne? Dude couldn't even get his own hammer..Then again this a company that had its chance at clean slating everything, but brings just about every dead named character back to life with the only real reason of 'its our IP and we don't want to cultivate new ones'.

No news here, just side tracking the thread. That being said, I want new humans that thematically fit and could be justified for existing as an army, considering their allies; Fantasy Marines are as nearly innumerable as they are unstoppable.

But hey those tree spirit elves are pretty cool!

You either haven't read any of the story for yourself, or are just trolling.
This is about as inaccurate a summary of events as possible. I recommend you at least borrow a copy and read it. You'll find that literally every questioned you asked is explained, and that these are stupid questions. OR start a thread in the Background forum. Your choice. I'd really recommend it however, it's actually quite nice.
My question is when does the Tzeentch stuff get released, and will it see points costs incorporated into the warscrolls, an FAQ alongside it, or will they not have points at all? If they decide to just attach points to the warscrolls, that would be easiest, but I just dont see that as being realistic. An Errata or FAQ also seems oddly round about, but possible, but it would be extremely disappointing to see a bunch of brand new shinies not usable at a competitive level.

Like I said on the last page, Silver Tower stuff will get points when the Handbook releases according to GW on FB.

@Bottle, That's why I'd tell GW the same thing I told CA.

Take. Your. Time.

The longer their release is pushed back the better it will be. Their battletome will have more formations, magic/relic options and great fluff involving the campaign consequences and how the Free People resettled/defended the realms.

It also gives Empire players more time to collect a cohesive army matching in look and size.

I'm really hoping the Free Guild incorporates the aesthetic of being from multiple realms which affects their look and playstyle. Such as a beast realm FreeGuild army (BeastGuild) having barbarian/dark age soldiers relying on archers and greatswords that slaughter monsters while a DeathGuild would focus on a dark Victorian look (to match their vampire overlords/targets) and focus on silver shot handgunners and witch hunters.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Very pleased this release is such a success, just imagine what would happen if Bretonnia got an AoS faction....

Oh...I'd need to buy more book shelves for the new additions to my royal army.

Oh man... Realm-themed Freeguild would be amazing! God I love the fluff.

Indeed.

Another thing I'd like for the Free Guild, a AoS version of the regimental standard Facebook.

A page that shows their lives in the realms as they rebuild kingdoms, explore deadly ruins and give a common man's look at the setting.

Maybe call it the Azyrheim Gazette.

Now you've got me wishing for a Mordheim reboot set in Shyish

Oh man, realm themed Freeguild does sound amazing! Maybe after the All-gates gets wrecked, Freeguild treasure hunters from each of the realms could fight over the ruins? A Warband from each realm that could be combined into an army for AoS too.

Sorry for off topic but what are the Freeguilds?

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Sorry for off topic but what are the Freeguilds?

It is the name given to the Empire State Troops, Greatswords, and Demigryph Knights.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Uh, remember Sigmar is a deity and not a human.

Not sure what this validates. He was a human until GW 'creatively' had to retcon what happened to him, after he departed from his 'crude' version of the empire. Deity or not, the gods still need to teach people things. But then again, did he really have time to when he was busy with the endless space wars and fabricating 'TK son fantasy space marines'? Or why bother with fragile people when he can have his race of super men? But hey when was the last time Sigmar actually did anything besides sit on his high throne? Dude couldn't even get his own hammer..Then again this a company that had its chance at clean slating everything, but brings just about every dead named character back to life with the only real reason of 'its our IP and we don't want to cultivate new ones'.

No news here, just side tracking the thread. That being said, I want new humans that thematically fit and could be justified for existing as an army, considering their allies; Fantasy Marines are as nearly innumerable as they are unstoppable.

But hey those tree spirit elves are pretty cool!

They are not unstoppable lore wise they are about the strength of chaos warriors that's why sigmar made them because the empire kept getting punted in the face by daemonically empowered super men. The time and energy it takes to make them and deploy they are better at hitting hard objectives. According to the grand alliance order the stormcast get zapped down to take the realm gates then after that all the human armies mixed with stormcast handle taking back the realm and reestablishing cities in the realms. Hence why there are human cities in the realm of fire and metal now. Sigmar has three main armies now, Free Guild, His holy warriors stormcast and his church militant devoted of sigmar with all the witch hunters, warrior priests and flagellants etc.

He is more equipped to deal with chaos, since they make the point in AOS that sigmar wants to win this time.

In the summer campaign supplement they note after the cities were built stormcast mainly spent their time garrisoning certain cities and outposts while the devoted of sigmar were the ones cleansing the lands of nurgle's corruption and we all know how you cleanse chaos. Looking at it overall it seems warrior priests and humans seem better at wielding the holy power of sigmar through faith considering the exploits they do. Sigmar made the grand library so the humans which are the stormcast, free guild and devoted of sigmar learn from his past mistakes which cost the old world. Sigmar even admitted even as a diety he is not infallible so he wants his people to learn from the mistakes he did as a man.

Yes he was watching he was bound to the vortex and the winds of heavens, the winds blow across the whole of world and AOS does confirm he knew of all the events that occured in the old world hence why he has a library of all said events. Don't forget many of the characters who became gods were part of the pantheon before chaos reared it's head again so they may have also shared more information with him. Still If this is not a satisfactory answer I don't know what is.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Sorry for off topic but what are the Freeguilds?

It is the name given to the Empire State Troops, Greatswords, and Demigryph Knights.

Ah cheers, yeah it would be sweet to see different realm aesthetics on the humans.

So have they said anything about how future units will handle points/battlefield role after the General's Handbook is released? Will points just be on the online Warscroll?

Requizen wrote:
So have they said anything about how future units will handle points/battlefield role after the General's Handbook is released? Will points just be on the online Warscroll?

No they have not. Eager to find out though.

And as a follow up: from the General's Handbook leak it looks like there are only points for currently-sold models, and none for old models. Specifically, a lot of the named characters or really old kits that are gone from the store. Was that known going in?

Requizen wrote:
And as a follow up: from the General's Handbook leak it looks like there are only points for currently-sold models, and none for old models. Specifically, a lot of the named characters or really old kits that are gone from the store. Was that known going in?

Those characters had already been rolled into other war-scrolls. If you download the .pdfs for legacy lists on GW's site, the last page says stuff like, "Tomb Prince on Chariot: Tomb King on Chariot" where it lets you still use the models, but phased out their having unique rules.

Some other quirky ones got rolled into options. Like, Seraphon can take Tic Taq To, the character Ripperdactyl, but he's just a "Master of the Skies Captain" model.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

Requizen wrote:
And as a follow up: from the General's Handbook leak it looks like there are only points for currently-sold models, and none for old models. Specifically, a lot of the named characters or really old kits that are gone from the store. Was that known going in?

Those characters had already been rolled into other war-scrolls. If you download the .pdfs for legacy lists on GW's site, the last page says stuff like, "Tomb Prince on Chariot: Tomb King on Chariot" where it lets you still use the models, but phased out their having unique rules.

Some other quirky ones got rolled into options. Like, Seraphon can take Tic Taq To, the character Ripperdactyl, but he's just a "Master of the Skies Captain" model.

The online rules for Lizardmen/Seraphon specifically have rules for Oxyotl and Tetto’Eko, both old named characters that don't have models. They don't have point costs.
Similarly, Wood Elves/Wanderers have rules for Waywatchers (the Unit, not the Hero) which don't have models, and they don't have points in the Handbook.

I imagine they're just not allowed in Pitched, then?

I can't see why they wouldn't be allowed. Looking over their rules, nothing about them seems inherently broken for pitched-battles?

Its worth asking someone about. It could be an over-sight the way WQ:Silver Tower models were, and GW has since confirmed on FB that those would be getting points in the next couple weeks.

Yeah, could very well just be an oversight and they get them later, I just thought it was odd that they went out of the way to give them rules but not points.

Time will tell!

 Mymearan wrote:
Now you've got me wishing for a Mordheim reboot set in Shyish

Can we not destroy everything about the old game? Its Probably on the way. But honestly please no

Baron Klatz wrote:
@Bottle, That's why I'd tell GW the same thing I told CA.

Take. Your. Time.

The longer their release is pushed back the better it will be. Their battletome will have more formations, magic/relic options and great fluff involving the campaign consequences and how the Free People resettled/defended the realms.

It also gives Empire players more time to collect a cohesive army matching in look and size.

I'm really hoping the Free Guild incorporates the aesthetic of being from multiple realms which affects their look and playstyle. Such as a beast realm FreeGuild army (BeastGuild) having barbarian/dark age soldiers relying on archers and greatswords that slaughter monsters while a DeathGuild would focus on a dark Victorian look (to match their vampire overlords/targets) and focus on silver shot handgunners and witch hunters.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Very pleased this release is such a success, just imagine what would happen if Bretonnia got an AoS faction....

Oh...I'd need to buy more book shelves for the new additions to my royal army.

Feral, Victorian AND puffy sleeves humans in kits full of tasty bits would make even AoS pricing* managable for conversion fodder. It'll never happen then!

Releasing that supppsedly finished hippogryph for "Brets" would be ace as well.

I'll settle for new zombies though, GW, you hear me? Mixing the zombie sprue, ghouls and heads from a dozen kits gives great results, but a ton of unused models as well.

*seriously, Sigmarines, Steeljawz, Fyresylrs, Alarielle

Just to clarify - all compendium warscrolls have points in the GHB including OOP armies. So Brets and Tomb Kings have full points. For something like Empire which has been split into multiple factions you'll find points for ported units in the Freeguild, Colliegate Arcane, Ironweld Arsonal - and for units not carried forward (Ludwig Scharzhelm and co) you'll find points for them in The Empire compendium section.

I've looked through the GHB every day this week and all old warhammer units are pointed there.

migooo wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Now you've got me wishing for a Mordheim reboot set in Shyish

Can we not destroy everything about the old game? Its Probably on the way. But honestly please no

Well Blood Bowl is still themed to the old world so it could go either way with Mordheim.

 Bottle wrote:
Just to clarify - all compendium warscrolls have points in the GHB including OOP armies. So Brets and Tomb Kings have full points. For something like Empire which has been split into multiple factions you'll find points for ported units in the Freeguild, Colliegate Arcane, Ironweld Arsonal - and for units not carried forward (Ludwig Scharzhelm and co) you'll find points for them in The Empire compendium section.

I've looked through the GHB every day this week and all old warhammer units are pointed there.

Thank You for confirming this ! especially the TK part !!!

 Bottle wrote:
Just to clarify - all compendium warscrolls have points in the GHB including OOP armies. So Brets and Tomb Kings have full points. For something like Empire which has been split into multiple factions you'll find points for ported units in the Freeguild, Colliegate Arcane, Ironweld Arsonal - and for units not carried forward (Ludwig Scharzhelm and co) you'll find points for them in The Empire compendium section.

I've looked through the GHB every day this week and all old warhammer units are pointed there.

Thanks for the confirmation! I was worried that some of the legacy stuff was going to be left behind.