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 Zywus wrote:

motski wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I believe FW has confirmed that it will still remain in it's own setting, which is probably a very good idea since the taint of AoS is not good for businesses.

Funny how the "taint of AoS" didn't stop the Sylvaneth pre-order from selling out

And I'm sure that's the first pre-order that's ever sold out right?

It's not like the end times books sold out in minutes or anything? If they had, maybe GW hadn't cancelled WHFB.

Of course the taint of AoS hurt the sales of the Sylvaneth. Some of the models look nice but are unfortunately saddled with the stigma of being connected to AoS.

Of course, they're good enough to sell anyway (and the loss of sales from haters are somewhat balanced by the fanboys telling themself that everything AoS is the awesomest thing ever) but anyone seriously arguing that those same models wouldn't have sold at least equally well had they been released for another game system is seriously deluded.

Does it matter? All this shows is that there is demand for AOS whether you like it or not, considering the amount of bundles and sylvaneth which are out of stock in several territories overall I gotta say its a good thing in my opinion considering the rocky start AOS had.

 shinros wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

motski wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I believe FW has confirmed that it will still remain in it's own setting, which is probably a very good idea since the taint of AoS is not good for businesses.

Funny how the "taint of AoS" didn't stop the Sylvaneth pre-order from selling out

And I'm sure that's the first pre-order that's ever sold out right?

It's not like the end times books sold out in minutes or anything? If they had, maybe GW hadn't cancelled WHFB.

Of course the taint of AoS hurt the sales of the Sylvaneth. Some of the models look nice but are unfortunately saddled with the stigma of being connected to AoS.

Of course, they're good enough to sell anyway (and the loss of sales from haters are somewhat balanced by the fanboys telling themself that everything AoS is the awesomest thing ever) but anyone seriously arguing that those same models wouldn't have sold at least equally well had they been released for another game system is seriously deluded.

Does it matter? All this shows is that there is demand for AOS whether you like it or not, considering the amount of bundles and sylvaneth which are out of stock in several territories overall I gotta say its a good thing in my opinion considering the rocky start AOS had.

There was demand for wood elves in WHFB too, as we saw when that release sold very well.
Still wasn't enough for GW to keep the game.

The talk of a "huge influx of new blood" thank's to points is pretty laughable as well. All it does is pull back a portion of the masses who left, still leaving AoS short of the playerbase who wasn't enough for GW a few years ago. If anyone is seriously suggesting that there's a swathe of players completely new to tabletop gaming, chomping at the bit to throw down £80 for a giant beetle mode, or £35 for a tree-lady or three smaller tree-dudes I don't know what to say. You need to have been thoroughly desensitized already to consider this release.

I guess I'm already outside of the thread boundries here since it's not supposed to be about AoS in general. Sorry for that.

I wouldn't call that laughable... What I would call laughable is dismissing any positive theories with a derisive sneer while simultaneously spouting your own, equally unfounded negative theories as truth...

Some atrocious, plastic, characterless art in the All Gates book as usual:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kwiAe4L7chU/V4Fl4DoVStI/AAAAAAAABAc/5or50F6d9iAaDpCjTTU9Sgs3M3rGqY_ZwCKgB/s1600/warhammer%2Bageof%2Bsigmar%2Bartwork%2Ball%2Bgates%2Bstormcast%2Bvs%2Btzeentch.png

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WhY4JDS6iOo/V4Fk8rLsgBI/AAAAAAAAA_w/TCmepQzjnA8qZ49YlRE3zJbkPH0vzH4PACKgB/s1600/warhammer%2Bageof%2Bsigmar%2Bartwork%2Ball%2Bgates%2Bgaunt%2Bsummoner.png

How do they expect people to respect Age of Sigmar when they don't respect it themselves.

To not be unjustly accused of having a bias against AoS heh, I liked this one from Sylvaneth book

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-F7JNWfDmJc8/V3oZlXEIytI/AAAAAAAAA9Q/RJcMjxKd3pc-M8oxbv0v1uEFVUyGg5D9ACKgB/s1600/warhammer%2Bage%2Bof%2Bsigmar%2Bsylvaneth%2Bartworks%2Balarielle%2Bstormcasts%2B%25282%2529.jpg

Models are ok as well, don't like the style but good designs. Beetle is crap though.

Yeah I agree that some of the art really has not been up to par. They have too many quick turnarounds from freelancers with little time and little or no knowledge of the universe cranking out paintings of models with bad composition and posing. Some of the art has been stunning but there are a few too many stinkers.

There was also some great art in All Gates book. Overall it is getting a lot better in my opinion so it's moving in the right direction. I am often surprised by how bad some of the art is in the older books too when I look back with a fresh pair of eyes.

I dont agree that its just AoS that has bad art but now for both 40k and AoS there are some art styles I just cannot take to. Most now are amazing but some like those Tzeetnch ones and even from the Wulfen stuff, like the overly cartoony look that just look rushed imo, not doubting the artist skill, I just prefer my art to be like this:


Than this:


Sometimes with the artwork it does feel like they just take whatever they get but thankfully the good art outweighs the bad.

I like both those images feel that they also fit the theme - Nurgle vs Tzeentch

Haha looking at the image more and more I am starting to like it actually but for me its still the cartoony feel, off topic image but this one is a better example of what I mean:


The style just isnt...... grim ( ) enough.

So in other words the artwork finally fits the models.

Sigmar says:

They see me rollin', they hatin'

Same old usernames resorting to anything just to get a moan about AoS.

This isn't the thread for it. Don't like it, don't post, simple.

I love AoS but yeah that's the last I'll say about some of the art for Warhammer.

Waaaaa had to rearrange my delivery date till Thursday, must have all books.

I was planning on joining in once the Steamhead Duardin came out, but the new Sylvaneth are too damn gorgeous.... so I bought some looking forward to a slow grow league we'll be having locally.

I hope the wait between each new faction won't be too long. There are sooo many I'm looking forward to. The regular humans, Soulblight, Ogors, Dark Aelves, Tzeentch, hopefully Slaanesh, all the other Skaven clans, Bonesplittaz, the list goes on, a Battletome would keep me happy for some but holy damn, the thought of a plastic Vampire kit.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, WHFB last WE release was also sold out in the first week.

Certain items were sold out in the first week, yes. The Eternal Guard kit, for example, was sold out for several weeks.

The Wild Rider/Sisters of the Thorn kit, the Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu kit, and Araloth? Not so much. The Wood Elf release, when it happened for 8th edition, was accompanied by a pathetic amount of new items. A plastic clamshell hero(Araloth), a plastic hero/monster kit(Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu), two plastic multi-unit boxes(Wild Riders and Sisters of the Thorn plus the Eternal Guard and Wildwood Rangers boxes).

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, WHFB last WE release was also sold out in the first week.

Certain items were sold out in the first week, yes. The Eternal Guard kit, for example, was sold out for several weeks.

The Wild Rider/Sisters of the Thorn kit, the Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu kit, and Araloth? Not so much. The Wood Elf release, when it happened for 8th edition, was accompanied by a pathetic amount of new items. A plastic clamshell hero(Araloth), a plastic hero/monster kit(Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu), two plastic multi-unit boxes(Wild Riders and Sisters of the Thorn plus the Eternal Guard and Wildwood Rangers boxes).

Pathetic amount?!
2 new plastic unit boxes, plastic monster and a plastic hero is considered Pathetic?
Wow - that is truly shocking statement consider WE already had some lovely figs in their range.

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, WHFB last WE release was also sold out in the first week.

Certain items were sold out in the first week, yes. The Eternal Guard kit, for example, was sold out for several weeks.

The Wild Rider/Sisters of the Thorn kit, the Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu kit, and Araloth? Not so much. The Wood Elf release, when it happened for 8th edition, was accompanied by a pathetic amount of new items. A plastic clamshell hero(Araloth), a plastic hero/monster kit(Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu), two plastic multi-unit boxes(Wild Riders and Sisters of the Thorn plus the Eternal Guard and Wildwood Rangers boxes).

Pathetic amount?!
2 new plastic unit boxes, plastic monster and a plastic hero is considered Pathetic?
Wow - that is truly shocking statement consider WE already had some lovely figs in their range.

It was a small release compared to other WHF releases at the time. Dark Elves for example got 3 multi kit infantry kits, a cavalry kit, 2 monsters/big kits, a chariot kit, and 2 heroes.

Most of the Dark Elves line at the time was horribly outdated tho.
Maybe not the hydra, but the basic infantry/Executioners/Black Guard/Witches and chariots were all dating back to sixth edition. And the beginning of the sixth edition, to be honest. Wood elves had relatively newer models.
Just compare the wardancers to old witch elves...

Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, WHFB last WE release was also sold out in the first week.

Certain items were sold out in the first week, yes. The Eternal Guard kit, for example, was sold out for several weeks.

The Wild Rider/Sisters of the Thorn kit, the Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu kit, and Araloth? Not so much. The Wood Elf release, when it happened for 8th edition, was accompanied by a pathetic amount of new items. A plastic clamshell hero(Araloth), a plastic hero/monster kit(Tree Lord Ancient/Treeman/Durthu), two plastic multi-unit boxes(Wild Riders and Sisters of the Thorn plus the Eternal Guard and Wildwood Rangers boxes).

Pathetic amount?!
2 new plastic unit boxes, plastic monster and a plastic hero is considered Pathetic?
Wow - that is truly shocking statement consider WE already had some lovely figs in their range.

Considering that it was spaced out over the course of a month and completely ignored the actual things that COULD have been plastic kit releases?

Yes. It was pathetic.
There were no plastic Wardancers, there were no plastic Waywatchers, there were no plastic Deepwood Scouts(despite the insistence I know people will mention regarding the Glade Guard kit; remember that never once were the Glade Guard kits billed as Deepwood Scouts), there were no Warhawks, there was no plastic Forest Dragon or Great Eagle for the Sisters, etc.

I guess it is time for this, again?

 Manchu wrote:
Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic.

This thread is for discussing new AoS releases; not for discussing AoS or GW generally.

Baron Klatz wrote:

goatboyBeta wrote:
Started to read the All-Gates book after Getting back from my (not so)local GW. A few pages in and they might as well have stamped Tzeentch is coming all over the book Not exactly subtle with the hints there. Mentions of Stormcast raising fortresses across the realms as well, so fingers crossed for a Dreadhold type kit.

Here's hoping! I would love some Order fortresses.

 plastictrees wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I believe Mordheim was set in the historical times of WHFB anyway, so it could very well (and should) be so in case of a re-launch.

BloodBowl has always been a alternative Fantasy universe. It's far goofier even than WHFB at it's very silliest. :p I believe FW has confirmed that it will still remain in it's own setting, which is probably a very good idea since the taint of AoS is not good for businesses.

Sigmarites in tiny shorts with full upper body armour would be a top seller I'm sure.

The Azyrheim Assualters.

motski wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I believe FW has confirmed that it will still remain in it's own setting, which is probably a very good idea since the taint of AoS is not good for businesses.

Funny how the "taint of AoS" didn't stop the Sylvaneth pre-order from selling out:

https://www.facebook.com/GWWarhammerAgeofSigmar/photos/a.452227281640737.1073741828.452117934985005/493162697547195/?type=3&theater

Yeah, didn't hurt the Orruks or Silver Tower either.

They could do a Mordheim based on the past but I'm definitely betting on Mordheim: Ruins of the Realms, or something similar. If they plan on supporting it then it'd make sense for a game that can easily go along with AoS' releases.

Kind of hard to justify a Stormcast or Sylvaneth warband in the Old World afterall.(Not to mention the expansion possibilities)

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Mmmm mmm mmmm, when your eyes glaze over new artwork just right.

I know right?

Order has a space station and ships they dont need a land fortress. When are they doing bonesplitters I need me some savage orks.

Kind of need fortresses to hold on to conquered ground. If that wasn't the case then 40k wouldn't have any fortresses either.

No clue on bonesplitters. Ogors, Tzeentch and Aelves are the only rumors right now.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Kind of need fortresses to hold on to conquered ground. If that wasn't the case then 40k wouldn't have any fortresses either.

No clue on bonesplitters. Ogors, Tzeentch and Aelves are the only rumors right now.

Well I guess ogres getting a update will be nice..... Hopefully lol thanks for the update

No problem.

Well we know bonsplitters is getting a book soon considering they have new stuff in their section of the GH. Plus Ogors.

I messaged GW on facebook (to check something about summoning) and they assured me that there will be a FAQ alongside the general's handbook release.

 shinros wrote:
He is more equipped to deal with chaos, since they make the point in AOS that sigmar wants to win this time.

Well good luck with that. Since by definition both sides are infinite and realms themselves are infinite winning is going to take a while...As in infinite. Hopefully Sigmar has long patience


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Considering they sold all of them, unless we are talking about a considerably worse alternative it would be exactly the same. And seriously, haters gunna hate, if we go by presence of haters then every wargame has a stigma associated. Yes AoS did many (MANY) things wrong but its hardly irredeemable, coupled with the current state of GW its hyperbole to say that the AoS-brand is bad for business.

One thing we don't know is number of casts though...

There's 2 ways to get sold out stamps.

a) increase sales
b) reduce output(by producing more of better selling stuff for example)

Without knowing how much GW produced stuff cannot be deduced which one is the case.

We do have GW admitting AOS sales as not having been much of a success. Coupled with them NOT banging sales as big success(which they have done without exception everytime sales have been very good. End time books, Calth...)

tneva82 wrote:

 shinros wrote:
He is more equipped to deal with chaos, since they make the point in AOS that sigmar wants to win this time.

Well good luck with that. Since by definition both sides are infinite and realms themselves are infinite winning is going to take a while...As in infinite. Hopefully Sigmar has long patience


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Considering they sold all of them, unless we are talking about a considerably worse alternative it would be exactly the same. And seriously, haters gunna hate, if we go by presence of haters then every wargame has a stigma associated. Yes AoS did many (MANY) things wrong but its hardly irredeemable, coupled with the current state of GW its hyperbole to say that the AoS-brand is bad for business.

One thing we don't know is number of casts though...

There's 2 ways to get sold out stamps.

a) increase sales
b) reduce output(by producing more of better selling stuff for example)

Without knowing how much GW produced stuff cannot be deduced which one is the case.

Well sigmar and the forces of order took the realm of life and have massive control on the realm of fire. Now if the forces of order keep control of said realm depends on the results of the summer campaign. The realms are "near" infinite (most likely so GW have some freedom to add to the realms) we have a map of the realm of life and it's about the size of the old world. Personally I want Death to win we have no idea what nagash is planning.

He was absent from the all-gates book and the audio drama was turned into an official realm gate book. Something is coming I feel. Still you are correct one thing sigmar fails to realize is that you cannot destroy chaos you may contain it but never end it.

 shinros wrote:
Well we know bonsplitters is getting a book soon considering they have new stuff in their section of the GH. Plus Ogors.

Sweet are they new models? Like in the book do they mention new units or same old?