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Ok, after having re-read it that makes sense. I liked the Sigmarines wording that said only one model in this unit could take X weapon. Easier for my brain.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Does it seem to anyone else that every figure released for AoS (ignoring existing WHFB kit repacks) is out of scale with the older figures. Once each faction has been launched, how probable is it the older WHFB era kits will be dropped?

Actually out of scale... I don't think so (at least, compared to the latter 8th edition models).

However.

I do have a concern that, Fyreslayers aside, everything in the Mortal Realms is BIG. Which means big models. So I am wondering whether we will see much of the normal-sized fighter. Sure, super Orcs are going to be big (I kinda guessed that would happen, with Orcs the size of 40k Nobs), and I was fine with that, but what about Skaven? Humans? Aelves?

Big models are impressive enough, but if you don't have something normal next to them, their effect is somewhat eroded.

So, in my view, no, the scale has not really changed - but everything is going large.

As for dropping kits... if you wait long enough, sure. At some point, you are always going to be able to do something better than what is in the current range. I don't think it will be wholesale though, or quick, or soon.

We've seen Skaven, Humans, and Aelves. They're in Silver Tower.

 privateer4hire wrote:
If you want to play without points you should be good. If you want points, you'll need the General's Handbook.
For example, the rules for Alarielle's new model are available right now as a free PDF.
But they don't list points values. It's for non-points play in those warscrolls.

Have they said anywhere (Facebook, FAQs) what's going to happen with points for models released after the GH comes out?

Requizen wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
If you want to play without points you should be good. If you want points, you'll need the General's Handbook.
For example, the rules for Alarielle's new model are available right now as a free PDF.
But they don't list points values. It's for non-points play in those warscrolls.

Have they said anywhere (Facebook, FAQs) what's going to happen with points for models released after the GH comes out?

They've promised to release a document with points for the Warhammer Quest models, by the time the Handbook officially launches, so I expect this means they will issue points for future releases, and probably compile them within a yearly "General's Handbook" style release, as well.

Happy to see all those incoming Savages!!!!

Everything I'm seeing says the Bonesplittaz will just be a reboxing with a new Battletome, similar to what we saw with the Flesh-eater Courts.

Also- any Branchwych WQ rules?

NinthMusketeer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I think it is worth sharing the designers of the Sylvaneth. Seb Perbet sculpted Alariel. Oliver Norman sculpted Drycha. Gavin Newton sculpted the revenants. Mike Fores sculpted the Kurnoth. This was shared on Twitter by Darren Latham.

Seb Perbet continues to impress, but it is good to see some of the newer guys producing some excellent stuff.

I am impressed at how consistent the aesthetic remains across kits despite different sculptors.

I am not impressed. I mean isn't everything done on computer now or CAD? So I believe it's easier to keep the same aesthetic, than say if everything was done by hand like the old days.

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

Davor wrote:

NinthMusketeer wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I think it is worth sharing the designers of the Sylvaneth. Seb Perbet sculpted Alariel. Oliver Norman sculpted Drycha. Gavin Newton sculpted the revenants. Mike Fores sculpted the Kurnoth. This was shared on Twitter by Darren Latham.

Seb Perbet continues to impress, but it is good to see some of the newer guys producing some excellent stuff.

I am impressed at how consistent the aesthetic remains across kits despite different sculptors.

I am not impressed. I mean isn't everything done on computer now or CAD? So I believe it's easier to keep the same aesthetic, than say if everything was done by hand like the old days.

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

I don't think sculpting digitally makes it easier to keep the same aesthetic between sculptors, unless they're reusing mannequins, which they wouldn't have for this release because everything is such a different shape. If the tree revenants were just smaller Kurnoth hunters then yeah, but I'm not sure how much would have been shared between models. So it would have been the same task for them, to keep them similar stylistically, just in a different medium.

 Ghaz wrote:
Everything I'm seeing says the Bonesplittaz will just be a reboxing with a new Battletome, similar to what we saw with the Flesh-eater Courts.

New Artwork, rules and fluff are good enough for me. Also reboxing is great since it saves me money on bases and per model.

Davor wrote:

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

You obviously haven't seen the previous treemen and treekin models...

 Kanluwen wrote:
We've seen Skaven, Humans, and Aelves. They're in Silver Tower.

I'm still hoping that the priest from Silver tower is the exception when it comes to normal Humans. Stormcast are supposed to be much larger than humans yet he can look most of them in the eye.

Humans appear to be the only thing going up in scale if silver tower is any indication.

Though it's possible, as Goatboybeta hopes, that the warrior priest is an exception. He could just be from a human tribe of powerful warriors. The devoted of Sigmar and the Stormcast are usually from such groups.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Humans appear to be the only thing going up in scale if silver tower is any indication.

Though it's possible, as Goatboybeta hopes, that the warrior priest is an exception. He could just be from a human tribe of powerful warriors. The devoted of Sigmar and the Stormcast are usually from such groups.

This. Though I suspect the humans are going up in scale a small amount to fit with the more heroic setting (and the basic empire troops also seem a little smaller because of the hunched/leaning posture). But the Skaven and Aelves are the same scale.

In one of the White Dwarves on the Silver Tower the designers talk about the priest and comment that he is a 7ft giant. So the coming human models shouldn't be as big as him. I think they will be moved up to 32mms though and increased in size a little.

Nostromodamus wrote:

Davor wrote:

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

You obviously haven't seen the previous treemen and treekin models...

Nope I haven't. Were they really good, or were they really bad?

Davor wrote:

Nostromodamus wrote:

Davor wrote:

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

You obviously haven't seen the previous treemen and treekin models...

Nope I haven't. Were they really good, or were they really bad?

Google them and you'll see. Ugly as sin, blocky, awkward posing. I can see what they were going for but they were total fails.

The new (current) ones are a massive improvement.

I really want to get my hands on the generals handbook and start trying out these new points costs and stuff, but GW direct order haven't even fething dispatched my copy yet. I don't know why I went to them direct. I can't ever be bothered to go with a discounter for one or two items. Still, "2-3 working days" my arse.

 Bull0 wrote:
I really want to get my hands on the generals handbook and start trying out these new points costs and stuff, but GW direct order haven't even fething dispatched my copy yet. I don't know why I went to them direct. I can't ever be bothered to go with a discounter for one or two items. Still, "2-3 working days" my arse.

General's Handbook isn't released until the 22nd, they won't send it til then.

Yeah this was a long pre-order. The official release is 23 July.

Oh yeah, 23rd. That's what I meant

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Davor wrote:

Nostromodamus wrote:

Davor wrote:

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

You obviously haven't seen the previous treemen and treekin models...

Nope I haven't. Were they really good, or were they really bad?

Google them and you'll see. Ugly as sin, blocky, awkward posing. I can see what they were going for but they were total fails.

The new (current) ones are a massive improvement.

Oh I love the new ones, I want to get them eventually. Thing is I thought with a great sculptor, it can be done better than an computer. Just like how oil paintings and hand drawn drawings are so much better with the correct artist than what GW is putting out with the computer drawings they have.

Davor wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Davor wrote:

Nostromodamus wrote:

Davor wrote:

Now just imagine how much better if they did it like the old days with the great sculptors how these minis would have just been that much more awesome if done by hand. The tree guys (sorry forget their names) would have been more lively and a bit less blocky. I

You obviously haven't seen the previous treemen and treekin models...

Nope I haven't. Were they really good, or were they really bad?

Google them and you'll see. Ugly as sin, blocky, awkward posing. I can see what they were going for but they were total fails.

The new (current) ones are a massive improvement.

Oh I love the new ones, I want to get them eventually. Thing is I thought with a great sculptor, it can be done better than an computer. Just like how oil paintings and hand drawn drawings are so much better with the correct artist than what GW is putting out with the computer drawings they have.

That's down to the artist, not the medium. You might prefer hand sculpted models/oil paintings, but they aren't objectively better mediums than digital art/CAD. It's down to the artist and personal preference.

Since Sylvaneth is a new brand of Battletome, whilst the Bonesplittaz may be a small one in terms of models, I wonder if there will be a bunch of Waaagh! spells, artifacts, items and cool tribal battalions. Definitely using the Ironjawz shaman as he looks savage enough and looks better than finecast.

 ImAGeek wrote:


That's down to the artist, not the medium. You might prefer hand sculpted models/oil paintings, but they aren't objectively better mediums than digital art/CAD. It's down to the artist and personal preference.

After reading this, I guess I just miss the old style. Maybe not because it wasn't digital art/CAD ( I like it a lot when it's done well) it's because I am not seeing awesome art, or even good art right now. So when I think of good or awesome GW art it was when GW didn't use it. So maybe GW just needs to start paying artists who can actually do the work instead hiring on attitude. After all I want to buy a great pictures, not a shoddy pictures because the person had a great attitude. It was the pictures that got me into 40K since back then the minis were just meh or good. Now the mins are good/great/awesome but the art work is just meh or bad now.

I will not be blaming digital art/CAD no more, just blame GW for releasing poor art work that is not a premium product..

That said, I know the artists work real hard for this, and it's a shame I have to blame them. Thing is when I am buying a "premium" product (GW terms) then I expect premium artwork. The art in AoS does not justify a premium price. I know not the artist fault, but still not a premium product.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Since Sylvaneth is a new brand of Battletome, whilst the Bonesplittaz may be a small one in terms of models, I wonder if there will be a bunch of Waaagh! spells, artifacts, items and cool tribal battalions. Definitely using the Ironjawz shaman as he looks savage enough and looks better than finecast.

In the pics we've seen from the General's Handbook, we know they will have nine Warscroll Battalions.

Davor wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


That's down to the artist, not the medium. You might prefer hand sculpted models/oil paintings, but they aren't objectively better mediums than digital art/CAD. It's down to the artist and personal preference.

After reading this, I guess I just miss the old style. Maybe not because it wasn't digital art/CAD ( I like it a lot when it's done well) it's because I am not seeing awesome art, or even good art right now. So when I think of good or awesome GW art it was when GW didn't use it. So maybe GW just needs to start paying artists who can actually do the work instead hiring on attitude. After all I want to buy a great pictures, not a shoddy pictures because the person had a great attitude. It was the pictures that got me into 40K since back then the minis were just meh or good. Now the mins are good/great/awesome but the art work is just meh or bad now.

I will not be blaming digital art/CAD no more, just blame GW for releasing poor art work that is not a premium product..

That said, I know the artists work real hard for this, and it's a shame I have to blame them. Thing is when I am buying a "premium" product (GW terms) then I expect premium artwork. The art in AoS does not justify a premium price. I know not the artist fault, but still not a premium product.

That's fair. Art is obviously very subjective. I'm seeing a lot of great art personally in AoS, I just wish it was all as good as the good ones.

 Ghaz wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Since Sylvaneth is a new brand of Battletome, whilst the Bonesplittaz may be a small one in terms of models, I wonder if there will be a bunch of Waaagh! spells, artifacts, items and cool tribal battalions. Definitely using the Ironjawz shaman as he looks savage enough and looks better than finecast.

In the pics we've seen from the General's Handbook, we know they will have nine Warscroll Battalions.

Oh sweet, missed that thanks.

Probably more than 9 battalions in the Battletome as the GHB will only point the ones designed for matched play, but as we saw with the Sylvaneth there might be some "historic" battalions for narrative play too.