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I made the shart joke as soon as I saw its name a few months ago.

I mean really, it sounds like sharter when you say it out loud. Is it an inside joke? Maybe next time they will name one the "Qui 'for"

Are there any rumours for who the next major faction is? I guess the ogors from the general's handbook are next but they are just repacked I bet.

I was browsing warhammer world site and remembered the AoS open day is about a month away. Says we will get the chance to see what the teams are working on. I wonder if there will be a major release before or after the open day.

Rumors are pointing towards Duardin, Tzeentch and Shadowkin.

Rumors and lore plot hooks are pointing towards the forces of Death getting a big focus at the end of the year.

Hmmm it'll be interesting to see what will be at the open day then. Sure hope its Tzeentch first, not feeling the hype yet for the other Duradin.

I hope it isn't Duardin just because I have barely restrained myself from starting a Dwarf army as-is, and any new models for things like Thunderers would devastate my wallet.

I almost want to pick up some of those centaurs and do some head conversions to run them as counts-as juggernaut of khorne, with the big one being a herald on a juggernaut...

It's hard to tell if they would be appropriately sized, though..

Really tempted by the new Bonesplittaz...

I'm excited for the rumored dwarves. Hopefully it won't disappoint me like the naked babies -- I mean dwarves -- did.

Sounds like it'll be a return to more traditional dwarves with armour, engineering and ale.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
It's hard to tell if they would be appropriately sized, though..

They would be.

In regards to future releases, we know Beastclaw Hunters are getting a rebox release relatively soon because of the names in the GHB (though if this comes with other Ogors we don't know). The All-Gates campaign book has "TZEENTCH IS COMING" written all over it, plus other rumors including SadPanda so we can effectively guarantee that's coming. The aforementioned campaign book definitely has leads in regards to Shadowkin, whatever the light-aeves will be, and Nagash planning things. I'd say death is very likely to get a battletome release (even if it's just a reboxing like Flesh-Eaters) because of the plot hooks and because it will be extremely underrepresented as a Grand Alliance if it doesn't.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
£20 Az. The 2 Retributors are a nice way to round out the starter, but the other numbers of miniatures seems a bit odd.

Thanks, Thraxas. I'm trying to work out if they're worth getting, as opposed to additional AoS starter boxes.

Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?

EDIT: Aexae triple A post. OK

Aexae wrote:
Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?

EDIT: Aexae triple A post. OK

Shadowkin are Aelfs I believe.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Aexae wrote:
Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?

EDIT: Aexae triple A post. OK

Shadowkin are Aelfs I believe.

Dark Aelfs specifically.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Aexae wrote:
Anyone know if there is going to be an update of the Skaven Pestilence book? They were before the GH and so if i stand correct don´t have any bonuses to a specific allegiance except for chaos.
Anyways, are there any rumor about the other clans?
And what are the Shadowkin?

EDIT: Aexae triple A post. OK

Shadowkin are Aelfs I believe.

Dark Aelfs specifically.

Well.................

No, we can't say they're "Dark Aelves specifically".

All that is known about the Shadowkin?
A) Dwell in the Realm of Shadow("Ulgu")
B) Have ties to the Caengan Fyreslayer lodge within that Realm; the Caengan lodge have learned the "subtle ways of battle" from the Shroudling Kings while forming pacts with the Shadowkin. They have close enough ties that the Caengan will daub their faces and beards in soot both as camouflage and as a mark of honour to the Shadowkin.
C) Venerate Malerion(Malekith was somehow merged with his dragon, Seraphon, during the Time of Chaos) as a deity with Morathi as his high priestess.
D) The Mistweaver and Tenebrael Shard from Silver Tower are both Shadowkin.
E) There exist a group called "The Shroudling Kings" which are subservient to Malerion.


There is nothing suggesting that they're JUST Dark Aelves, but given that they are a new faction that we just don't have any information regarding it's a bit premature to call them any one thing.

Shadowkin are Aelves who dwell in the Realm of Shadow with some having the ability to 'shadow walk'(Tenebrael Shards) and some mages who can use the mists to confuse and bedazzle their foes(Mistweavers). They engage in guerilla warfare against the Slaanesh forces within the Realm of Shadow and form pacts with the Fyreslayers in that Realm. They have a god called Malerion(formerly Malekith) and his priestess is Morathi. The Shadowkin are ruled by the Shroudling Kings.

Not necessarily Dark Aelves specifically then I imagine they'll be most similar to dark elves though.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Not necessarily Dark Aelves specifically then I imagine they'll be most similar to dark elves though.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Nothing about the stuff we've been shown suggests that they're cruel for cruelty's sake like the Dark Elves were. The Tenebrael Shards, for example, aren't just murderers because "woot! MUUUUUUURDEEER!" like the Khainite Assassins were(and still are, thanks to the Shadowblades).


Remember though that Dark Aelves? They still exist. They're in Order.

I meant more aesthetically than anything else. The Tenebrael Shard was pretty close to what a male Witch Elf would be, and the Mistweaver Saith could just be a Sorceress. If they're anything to go by, looks wise, they'll be more similar to the dark elves than wood or high elves.

hmm id say the mist weaver has a high elf feel imo just one suited to this shadowkin with the cresent icons and such. where as like you said tenebrael shard is very much a male witch elf

 ImAGeek wrote:
I meant more aesthetically than anything else. The Tenebrael Shard was pretty close to what a male Witch Elf would be, and the Mistweaver Saith could just be a Sorceress. If they're anything to go by, looks wise, they'll be more similar to the dark elves than wood or high elves.

Truthfully?

I think you're better off ignoring the design motifs of existing things with regards to the Shadowkin. Yes, the Tenebrael Shard is "pretty close to what a male Witch Elf would be"...but he's also pretty close to what a Wardancer was. A force of nature, slaying in an almost artistic fashion.
In any case--Witch Aelves are still around.


The Tenebrael Shard is something new. The Mistweaver is something new. The Shadowkin are something new--but the rune we've seen associated with them in a few spots is remarkably similar to the rune "Arhain" which was associated with Loec the Elven trickster god of dance and trickery...and night, shadows, and vengeance. Loec, like the rest of the Elf pantheon, is seemingly dead--but he occupied a role not unlike that of Malerion and Tyrion; saving Aelf souls from the Chaos Gods.

Also worth noting that if you were to break down associations with the old Elf pantheon?
Mistweaver: Crescent moons tied to Lileath, goddess of sorcery and fortune/luck, who sacrificed herself to create a safe haven for the Elves during the End Times. The haven was destroyed but we don't know what happened to her daughter or Araloth for that matter.
Raven skull tied to Morai-Heg, "The Crone", a deity who was considered neither good nor evil by all of the Elves. She was a key deity for the Naggarythe Elves that didn't turn with Malekith against the Phoenix Throne.

Tenebrael Shard: Crescent moons(one of the design notes about the Shard made it clear that his bladed parts being crescents was not an accident) on his armblades and on the chains from his flesh, again tying back to Lileath.
Raven skull, again tying to Morai-Heg.

There's also what looks like an "Arhain" rune painted on both of the raven skulls.

Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.

Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.

High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.

The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.

It would not surprise me if the darkling covens or the phoenix temple join with the new Aelves.

Considering the pheonix temple have their own city so they will be relevant in the fluff again at some point. Like the ghouls they mixed the beast of the grave's faction into flesh eaters I suspect the same thing may happen again.

 shinros wrote:
It would not surprise me if the darkling covens or the phoenix temple join with the new Aelves.

Considering the pheonix temple have their own city so they will be relevant in the fluff again at some point. Like the ghouls they mixed the beast of the grave's faction into flesh eaters I suspect the same thing may happen again.

I hope the Phoenix Temple get some new stuff. It seems they are getting more attention.

Unless GW are planning to get them all killed in the summer campaign ;-)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.

Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.

High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.

The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.

You do know this is all made up and subject to change at any point? I mean, it's literally a bloke in Nottingham just imagining things and giving it to his manager for approval. They can do whatever they want with it!

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.

Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.

High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.

The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.

You do know this is all made up and subject to change at any point? I mean, it's literally a bloke in Nottingham just imagining things and giving it to his manager for approval. They can do whatever they want with it!

You do realize that is all fiction ever right?

^

Immediately had to find this Facebook post again:

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 Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Dark/High/Wood Elves are just a carried-over aesthetic now. Fluff wise they do not exist at all. The new factions are the divisions between Aelves, not the old army books.

Wellllllllllll, that's not strictly true.

High Elves, Dark Elves, and Wood Elves still exist--it's just that at this point their civilizations are a myth.
The Wanderers and the Sylvaneth both have myths about "The Guardians" who a long time ago guarded the Sylvaneth while they slumbered during the winter months. The Enchanted Blades of the Tree-Revenants are made in memory of those Guardians. That those blades happen to match the design of an Eternal Guard champion's sword is not just coincidence.

The High and Dark Elves are the closest thing to an "intact" Old World race--mostly because they both already had distinct divisions within their faction relating to their armies.

Ah, yes. I didn't mean to say they were ret-conned, but in retrospect I didn't word that very clearly. I agree they very much exist in a historical context within the fluff.

In conclusion, the shadowkin is neither this or that kind of Aelf, they are more in a grey zone, so to speak.


Seriously though, I wonder if they dare include shadow warriors to the shadowkin, due to their previous hatred for old dark elfs.
Did they sort out their dislikes during end times?

I'm pretty sure the fluff around the existing Elf ranges (as well as the Empire and traditional Dwarfs) is just GW throwing us a bone to keep players with existing armies happy. Bittersweet as I am an "Empire" player.

If the old Pheonix Guard is fleshed out into a new faction as the campaign suggests they might, I will happily eat my own words, but right now I don't imagine a single Dark Elf to be used in the Shadowkin, just like none of the elves from the Wood Elf range were used in the Sylvaneth faction.