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 HunterEste wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Fantasy, by definition, its opposed to Science. Its a world with things that can't be explained, they just are because its a fantasy tale.

Medieval Fantasy and Space Fantasy are both fantasy.

And in the WHFB vs AoS... WHFB as much as I love it, has been closed. Something better to me, than just keep running and changing with no end like Warcraft. This its another totally different universe, that will be better to some people and worse to others. Its just about what do you like more.

What about ShadowRun? There's tech and Magic, no one can explain magic....so it seems to fit both your definitions. What happens when the two genres blend? What do you call that?

From Wikipedia:

"Shadowrun is a science fantasy tabletop role-playing game set in a near-future fictional universe in which cybernetics, magic and fantasy creatures co-exist."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fantasy

 DarkBlack wrote:

Compare to this:

Spoiler:

WTF... that just looks like artwork for perverts, now I remember why I avoid anime. Besides it is far too clean and bright for the tone that Blade Runner was setting.

Moving on.

The new artwork does have an wonderful sense of scale and grandiose, which now I think about it is what GW seem to have been aiming for with AoS artwork. It is fantasy, but on a whole different level to what they have done before.

I think these are going to sell like proverbial hot cakes. I will admit to being tempted... very tempted, and I'm in the stages of disengaging with the hobby.

Wanting this stuff even more now - especially the ships, and especially the big ship!

If for nothing else, maybe as scenery/objectives in a game of Twisted Steampunk?

 Alexonian wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Excellent choice of avatar.

Thank you, it was time for an update and I couldn't think of a better choice myself ^^

17 posts in and it was "time for an update"?!?

I can see you're going to be...one to keep an eye on?

 Alpharius wrote:
Wanting this stuff even more now - especially the ships, and especially the big ship!

If for nothing else, maybe as scenery/objectives in a game of Twisted Steampunk?

I could see crashed Gunhaulers, Frigates and Ironclads being awesome scenary...if not expensive for my palette.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Ohman wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Holy fething gak, this isn't fantasy, it's cyberpunk!

I have been a bit a worried that this "fantasy" game looks more and more like 40k for every release but I guess there is no need to worry now. This has passed beyond 40k and landed in 1980's Cyberpunk. Really cool but there is nothing fantasy about this picture:

Spoiler:

So, who exactly are you to decide what's fantasy and what's not? I'm tired of this so let's remember something: fantasy doesn't equal low tech. Urban fantasy is pretty high-tech by and large and that's fantasy.

Same question to you.

On the other hand, for all I like the picture, it feels like it needs a sign post with "Infinity to the left, Star Wars Cantina to the right".

 Alpharius wrote:
Wanting this stuff even more now - especially the ships, and especially the big ship!

If for nothing else, maybe as scenery/objectives in a game of Twisted Steampunk?

 Alexonian wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Excellent choice of avatar.

Thank you, it was time for an update and I couldn't think of a better choice myself ^^

17 posts in and it was "time for an update"?!?

I can see you're going to be...one to keep an eye on?

17 posts over 6 years... Impressive.

On the modern AoS tabletop what room is there for a rank n' file Empire spearman?

Lots of room considering they have rules and their 2" attack range is great for defending and supporting shorter ranged units like swordsmen.

They're also necessary fluff-wise for regular human town defenses and what-not.

I think the problem here is that people are looking at the Overlords and thinking they represent the entire setting when they're only a pinprick of what's going on in the realms.

Those dwarf spearmen can even fit as regular dispossessed dwarf units guarding old holds, newly made ones, guardsmen of a mixed race city or just merchant guards.

Heck, you could put them on the Overlord ships and you can head-canon it as a mercenary vessel made by stranded Overlords and had to use parts on hand, duardin mercs and damaged ship parts to get airborne again.

I get what you mean by it not being classic fantasy anymore but the setting's so massive that classic fantasy can easily fit into it without running into any epic or steampunk elements unless so wished.

I think the problem here is that people are looking at the Overlords and thinking they represent the entire setting when they're only a pinprick of what's going on in the realms.

There is a massive tech disparity. These dwarfs have been hidden away for so long and only survive as they do because of their precious aether-gold.

 Verviedi wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Wanting this stuff even more now - especially the ships, and especially the big ship!

If for nothing else, maybe as scenery/objectives in a game of Twisted Steampunk?

 Alexonian wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Excellent choice of avatar.

Thank you, it was time for an update and I couldn't think of a better choice myself ^^

17 posts in and it was "time for an update"?!?

I can see you're going to be...one to keep an eye on?

17 posts over 6 years... Impressive.

Good catch - I take it all back!

6 years between avatar changes is A-OK!

Probably already asked and answered, but do we know the pricing on the ships yet?

Baron Klatz wrote:

I get what you mean by it not being classic fantasy anymore but the setting's so massive that classic fantasy can easily fit into it without running into any epic or steampunk elements unless so wished.

Another perk of the setting being so massive is that I can choose to not even aknowledge the existence of the new dorfs and the vanguard chamber . Personal preference and all that in mind, I was beginning to worry that somehow I was the only freak that didn't like them.

 Alpharius wrote:


Good catch - I take it all back!

6 years between avatar changes is A-OK!

Probably already asked and answered, but do we know the pricing on the ships yet?

80 for the frigate if I recall, mentioned earlier in the thread. So likely 120 for the Ironclad and 35-50ish for th Gunhaulers?

@Zebiolizard,

Indeed, it's only thanks to the realm of metal and it's easily accessible and abundant materials that they're so advanced.

If they set up shop in a place like the life realm they'd have a massive down-grade as the materials are scarce and they'd have no readily available aether-gold. If they had no trade with the metal realm I highly suspect they'd turn Dispossessed very quickly.

Personal preference and all that in mind, I was beginning to worry that somehow I was the only freak that didn't like them.

Perfectly understandable. That's why I love the new setting so much, anything's possible and you control the limits.

 Alpharius wrote:
Probably already asked and answered, but do we know the pricing on the ships yet?

For this week's preorders...

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/7020/690078.page#9301211

I like the WHFB setting for what it is, and I like the AoS setting for what it is. Part of that is I don't see them as the same setting; AoS is a continuation of WHFB story wise but is a completely different part of the timeline. I see a lot of people who liked WHFB and don't like the AoS setting and I completely understand that; they are different. Saying one is better than the other is completely subjective, its up to each person to decide. I remember when AoS first came out saying 'I'm a bit angry that GW crapped all over the WHFB setting but I'll get over it' and that holds true. I would recommend for people who don't like AoS to at least think of it as a setting of its own rather than the current state of the WHFB setting.

I think the realms just make all the factions more cohesive in AoS as opposed to WHFB. I honestly couldn't understand how GW orks inhabited the same continent as Bela Lugosi style vampires. It just didn't mesh for me, and it seemed like it was just trying to copy DnD/lord of the rings. You really couldn't have dwarves like these, heck even one of those sky whales would look ridiculous next to ye olden medieval castle.

I get that its more like World of Warcraft and less like Mount and Blade, but that works for me. To each their own I guess.

Slightly off topic, but for those who have a strong distaste of these new style Dwarfs, there are still companies out there releasing more traditional looking dwarfs, in plastic no less.

Northstar miniatures (of Frostgrave fame) are set to release new rank and file dwarfs themselves.








Maybe that's more the style some of you would like to see?

More guns, monocles, balloons, and airships for me please.

Elbows wrote:It's not hard to see why someone who likes the models on top, may not love the models on the bottom.

Spoiler:

Personally I think they look attractive, but I'd never use them in a fantasy setting. I'd even be tempted to make a small squat force for 40K out of them.

I like the top and the bottom. The old figures have a charm all their own and the new ones are just excellent. The art style of these is a nice departure from the cliche.

My favorite single element are the flotation spheres. Goes back to Cavor's sphere in H G Well's The First Men in the Moon.

Well the news pics are up at the GWNZ site, but the links go no where yet, so they've yet to put up the minis.

@Highlord Tamburlaine,

Hehe, I don't know why but dwarves with regular bows always makes me chuckle.

heck even one of those sky whales would look ridiculous next to ye olden medieval castle. 

Hey, it works for Legend of Zelda.

Thinking about it further, I might make that heraldry for some of my knights, actually. Make it so they built their kingdom around the remains of dead ones whose giant bones caused natural barriers to form.

[Edit]: Oh, thanks for the heads-up, H.B.M.C!

Annnd we're off!


Frigate sprue:



Arkanaut company:



Admiral:

Not in love with the frigates rules. Love the model. Probably get 2 to accompany my ironclad depending on their points cost.

Right now I'm thinking a force of mine might be built around 60 or so Arkanauts.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/AoS_Warscrolls/arkanaut-admiral_ENG.pdf

Lelf, the admiral has look out sir! as a special rule. Of course, it has more risk attached to it, only working on a 5+ and causing mortal wounds if successful.

Hm, only two attacks but dam are they nice attacks.

War Of Sigmar - Rumors and rules for age of Sigmar
War Of Sigmar - Rumors and rules for age of Sigmar
War Of Sigmar - Rumors and rules for age of Sigmar

Done.

looks like all three ships are their own separate kit

As a newbie to age of sigmar rules how do the carbines and valves determine their attacks? Also what/how do I use the damage table chart. They have confirmed that the three ships have been separate kits for ages.

The Arkanaut Box only comes with 1 of every 3 types of special weapons, so if you want 3 Skypike for example, you need to look for bitz online, conversions or buy... 3 boxes... me don't like.

 Gamgee wrote:
As a newbie to age of sigmar rules how do the carbines and valves determine their attacks? Also what/how do I use the damage table chart.

You look at how many wounds the Frigate has taken, then you consult that line on the Damage Table to determine how fast the Frigate can move, and how many attacks you can make with the carbines and belaying valves.

 Galas wrote:
The Arkanaut Box only comes with 1 of every 3 types of special weapons, so if you want 3 Skypike for example, you need to look for bitz online, conversions or buy... 3 boxes... me don't like.

Kits like this are inconvenient, but having enough to fully equip the unit with any weapon type would mean paying for a lot of bits that go unused.

One way or another we are gonna pay those bits (If we don't convert, obvious). I prefer to pay 3-4 more € for all the options that needing to go to a Bitz reseller, or buying a new whole box.