Trying to make a relatively low budget 30k Imperial Fists 1850 list to play against my 40k friends

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**bigsaks5**

title explains it all, looking for any advice or critiques...would love to hear from other people before I finish gluing all my models!

1850/1850

HQ
Sigismund, Pride of the Legion, 230 pts

Elites
Contemptor-Cortus, Kheres Assault Cannon, 150 pts

Contemptor-Cortus, Kheres Assault Cannon, 150 pts

Troops
5 x Cataphractii Terminators, 5 Combi-Weapons, 4 Power Fists, 1 Chainfist, Teleport Transponder, 255 pts

5 x Vet Tactical Squad, 1 Heavy Bolter, Vexilla, Sgt with Power Fist and Artificer Armor, Sniper, Rhino, 215 pts

5 x Vet Tactical Squad, 1 Heavy Bolter, Vexilla, Sgt with Power Fist and Artificer Armor, Sniper, Rhino, 215 pts

5 x Templar Brethren, 5 Combat Shields, Sgt with Solarite Fist, Land Raider Phobos, Heavy Bolter, 475 pts

Heavy Support
1 x Vindicator, Extra Armor, Machine Spirit, 160 pts

Sigismund rides with the Templar Brethren in their Land Raider while the Rhinos, Vindicator, and Contemptors move up the field...pretty much immune to small arms fire the first turn until transports pop. Combi-plasma Terminators will work as a sort of suicide squad with deep strike (I just really love the plastic Cataphractii models)

Let me know if anything sticks out like a sore thumb. Definitely need to make this list viable against Imperial Guard/Space Marines/Chaos/Dark Eldar. I'm building the army out of my two Betrayal at Calth boxes and a few random Space Marine vehicles I have...also looking for ideas on how to expand toward 2500 when I start going against 30k players!

**King Amroth**

My advice is that you shouldnt do it, you will get tabled early and that is rare in 30k. That is possibly one of the most unfluffy and genuinely weak lists i have ever seen, the only thing giving it a fighting chance is Sigismund and even then not by much.

**Brennonjw**

Yeah, gotta agree with him. This list is to fragile for both 30k and 40k, PotL punishes you for loosing your small squads, and you list would be better served by being ran as a regular 40k space marine list IMO. It doesn't use 30k's ability to more bodies or heavy ordinance, but fits with the man loving codex: space marines. You can even still use the contemporary thanks to angels of death.

**Chapter Master Angelos**

I know you wanted discount, but honestly that will get trashed in 40k. Especially because of the ability to break and run away. The following builds on what you already have but changes things around and makes thinks much more durable overall.

Like it or leave it it's the best "cheap" IF list I can come up with on the fly.

Though replacing the Medusas with Quad Morters will also work.

Spoiler:

**durango**

One thing is make a mod so that Grav works like 30k - haywire not SM killer AP2. Most any 40k SM army that spams Grav will rock 30k SM armies. It's not even fair.

**Zuul**

Since I started in 2012 as a sophmore at university I had to do it on the cheap. Name a thing and I've probably figured out a way to do it "cheap".

**FeindusMaximus**

Zuul wrote:
Since I started in 2012 as a sophmore at university I had to do it on the cheap. Name a thing and I've probably figured out a way to do it "cheap".

Support a family /= cheap.

**Lockark**

The legion list is written in away that punishes you for trying to MSU, so I don't sujest it. I would only run it so you can put the termies in the troop slot for more elite choices.

Swap them 5 man vet squads out for 20 man tacs with apothocaries.

If your building off a BaC box, that means you shoulod still have another 15 mariens to play with, and 6 of each special weapon from the box. Instead of a vindi I would run a 5-6 man heavy weapon squad with missile launchers.

**Jackal**

If you want the army more effective and for cheap:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/pdcgaming/m.html?item=282024146806&hash=item41a9f2f776%3Ag%3AObkAAOSwT6pVqixB&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Grab 9 of those for £55

Gives you 9 quad mortars then.
They are the same size as rapiers, just a ton cheaper.

**Brennonjw**

Well, Jackal, then we get the question: does he want to actually get a game in, or does he want to be hated by his local community

**Jackal**

Hey, it strengthens the list does it not?

Power gaming on a budget can be done!

**Zuul**

Oh wow! I didn't realize PDC gaming was still around! I was in on their kickstarter and got a buttload of modular heavy weapons.

**Lockark**

Whao, thows guys dropped off the radar super hard after the kickstarter. it's good to know their weapon platforms can still be picked up. Surprised they never keep going/trying to expand their range. It always seemed like a shame the tracks look so Toy like. I wounder if you could replace them with the Blood and skulls ones.