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While I wouldn't say it looks like a dumb relentless action fest, it does look like a relentless action fest XD
And I guess I'm just not feeling it, or maybe the last movie was a real turn off. I'll probably just wait till DVD, unless reviews say its good.
Also, are those the Na'kuhl? It doesn't really look like them, but the big bad aliens in that trailer keep making me think of them (or maybe I've got too much STO on the brain )
Yeah, I'm still not sure what to make of this of movie. I don't mind the action so much, but, I still don't know what's really going on here. Destroying the Enterprise isn't something you just do on a whim, and I feel like that's exactly what the producers are doing here: destroying it because reasons.
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Yeah, destroying the Enterprise simply for a punchy plot devise should not be done.
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When one thinks of Wagon Train to the Stars one must think slow, muddled, tea-sipping boorishness, and inert diplomacy. If it isn't those things it obliviously isn't Star Trek. There is no room for fun and action in space.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: When one thinks of Wagon Train to the Stars one must think slow, muddled, tea-sipping boorishness, and inert diplomacy. If it isn't those things it obliviously isn't Star Trek. There is no room for fun and action in space.
And bang the green space women. That is a necessity. That's why I liked 09 Trek but not Into Darkness. Not enough green space women, nor prostilatizing to an alien about everything wrong with his culture
Ahtman wrote: When one thinks of Wagon Train to the Stars one must think slow, muddled, tea-sipping boorishness, and inert diplomacy. If it isn't those things it obliviously isn't Star Trek. There is no room for fun and action in space.
And bang the green space women. That is a necessity.
I felt like I was forgetting something.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: When one thinks of Wagon Train to the Stars one must think slow, muddled, tea-sipping boorishness, and inert diplomacy. If it isn't those things it obliviously isn't Star Trek. There is no room for fun and action in space.
Ah yes, the favourite passive-aggressive barb of the Nutrek fan, who always manage to ignore the fact that late TNG, most DS9, and First Contact, ie the most popular parts of the TNG-era, had plenty of action and entertainment to them, they just managed to do it without being vapid shlock or thinly-veiled 9/11-was-an-inside-job IN SPAAAAACE. But yes, of course, when people criticise Nutrek for being dull, relentless, unthinking, poorly-written PEW-PEW-LAZORZ with dashes of boggle-eyed conspiracy theory and shoddy, flat attempts at Whedonesque banter, what they're really saying is they want to watch someone recite the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in monotone emotionless Shakespearean prose
Anyway, we'll see about Beyond. Pegg and some of the cast have been making the right noises about recognising the best Trek blends hard sci-fi and pulp adventure to convey complex subjects to a wide audience, and unlike Abrams and Orsi who wouldn't know subtlety if it took them out for a lavish six-course banquet, followed by a moonlit stroll and an all-night reaming during which it bit them on the arse, there's no reason to actively doubt their sincerity, but at the end of the day they're promoting the film and would say that whether they believe it or not since the folk responsible for marketing the thing must be well aware of the criticisms of the previous two - I'll watch it myself without relying on reviews, but I'm not arsed to go to the cinema to do it.
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I honestly don't know what you are trying to say as it is a prime example of Poe's Law; it could just as easily go either way as it is written. Clarity would be appreciated since right now it is a bit muddled and all over the place. I'm sure in your mind it made sense but once shared...eh...not so much. I do it all the time myself.
And of course TNG, DS9, or First Contact weren't about 9/11 when all those were either cancelled or shown several years before that event even happened. Even referring to the new films, which were problematic to be sure, I don't think I ever heard anyone refer to them as analogies for 9/11. Now I have heard that about super hero movies, what with all the building destruction in them.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: I don't think I ever heard anyone refer to them as analogies for 9/11. Now I have heard that about super hero movies, what with all the building destruction in them.
I've never referred to them as analogies, but I have called elements of DS9 profoundly prophetic The episodes Homefront and Paradise Lost were oddly topical for the post 9/11 US for television produced in the mid 90s
The 09 Star Trek I don't really see it, but I could see someone making a good case for Into Darkness as being about the post 9/11 world (elements of sacrificing ones principals, which principals should be sacrificed, why, and to do what are parts of the story and those have all be popular topics in mass media since 9/11 but obviously existed before it).
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It's not like Star Trek has ever been a reflection of the times in which we live. If that was the case, you would have seen stuff in TOS about racism, gender politics, recreational pharmaceuticals, the Cold War, etc. TNG would have had material about the dangers of unbridled capitalism, Cold War 'thawing', etc.
gorgon wrote: It's not like Star Trek has ever been a reflection of the times in which we live. If that was the case, you would have seen stuff in TOS about racism, gender politics, recreational pharmaceuticals, the Cold War, etc. TNG would have had material about the dangers of unbridled capitalism, Cold War 'thawing', etc.
Please tell me you're being sarcastic...
Anyways, OT, the rebooted Star Trek movies have consistently been relentless actionfests with some questionable plot choices, but I do not know if I would go so far as to call them dumb in the same vein as say the Transformers film series.
On a whole, I think the TOS, TNG, TNG Movies, and Voyager are overrated and far from being on par with the average writing of other, better SciFi series, such as both Outer Limits, BSG 2003, Babylon 5, Farscape, and Serenity. DS9 is probably underrated as are the TOS movies. No one overrates the [MOD EDIT - Language - Alpharius] that is Enterprise.
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gorgon wrote: It's not like Star Trek has ever been a reflection of the times in which we live. If that was the case, you would have seen stuff in TOS about racism, gender politics, recreational pharmaceuticals, the Cold War, etc. TNG would have had material about the dangers of unbridled capitalism, Cold War 'thawing', etc.
I speak because I see these kinds of comments more and more often, and they're starting to offend me.
I'm a millennial. What exactly is my "crowd" and how do you market to it? I could really use some clarification on how I've ruined everything this time.
As if meh action adaptations of classic sci-fi franchises never existed before 1990.
Is anyone else bothered that Kirk somehow found a bike with a combustion engine in the distant future of space travel?
The weird thing is I didn't even think about that, because I suspect it won't even remotely be the strangest thing to happen on screen
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I speak because I see these kinds of comments more and more often, and they're starting to offend me.
I'm a millennial. What exactly is my "crowd" and how do you market to it? I could really use some clarification on how I've ruined everything this time.
As if meh action adaptations of classic sci-fi franchises never existed before 1990.
Is anyone else bothered that Kirk somehow found a bike with a combustion engine in the distant future of space travel?
The weird thing is I didn't even think about that, because I suspect it won't even remotely be the strangest thing to happen on screen
Honestly, the ones I know, don't listen, are cocky, take everything for granted, are welded to there phones etc...
I enjoyed the first two a lot and this looks more of the same.
The Enterprise has been trashed - a lot..........
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The episodes Homefront and Paradise Lost were oddly topical for the post 9/11 US for television produced in the mid 90s 
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