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I can see the rational for people buying the bases if you'll getting a load of them for cheap, but the crates and containers?
MEH!!
There is probably two dozen companies out there selling something similar. Hell, Warlord games does a range of crates and barrels for its Judge Dredd game, and they look much better.
And plenty of companies make models that look similar to Space Marines, that's no use if you want models that are Space Marines. The aesthetic is important to some folk, and I've yet to see containers in a gothic style that are any good. For me, I don't want something that looks modern, and I definitely don't want some anime-lookin' nonsense designed to go with Infinity, and those are the choices available atm in quality, premade containers.
Anybody who can get their hands on foamcard or plasticard could crank these out in less than half a day. I would encourage people to do so, as the base materials are cheap, and it's pretty straightforward. A sharp knife, a steel rule, and some glue is all you need. Add some textured paint or bits and bobs from your bitz pile, and away you go.
I guarantee you'll get that warm fuzzy feeling from making your own terrain and saving money.
As I said earlier - I can guarantee you'll be getting a warm fuzzy feeling too...when you stick your head in a lit oven to end the state of utter boredom punctuated with occasional accidental finger stabbings that attempting to make containers yourself in any numbers would generate. Replicating those containers would require three layers of plasticard detailing over foam, and that's before you even think about the rivets, oh dear sweet merciful jeebus the rivets - an afternoon? Naw. Well, technically. Half an hour to measure and cut each foam base form, minimum two hours for each to mark out, cut, and layer on the plastic detail, at least another 30 mins to rivet it. 3 hours per container, conservatively, so yeah you could replicate the three containers from the box in an afternoon, but three won't give you a very impressive looking industrial/shipyard table, you'd need a couple of dozen(assuming you "fake" bigger stacks by cladding a foam block with containers).
I love crafting terrain, and I well know that sense of accomplishment you mention, but frankly when a project requires this much repetitive, rote work for something as mundane as shipping containers, I start to think that spending three hours worth of wages(assuming someone's on minimum wage and buys these from a discounter) to avoid three hours of tedium is a great idea.
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OMG random chart for what you find, machine spirit for the storm bolters, chance of exploding from a penetrating hit... the mind boggles how stupid this could get.
I like it.
2016/05/24 14:45:02
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
H.B.M.C. wrote: You fool Kyoto! The crates are for hiding your Hybrids.
It's a new rule: Crate Strike.
Hmm.. I could actually go for some Crate Strike rules.
Let's assume that a Thunderhawk does a supply run, dropping a pair of these, causing 1D6 S8 hits to each unit under the drop point - roll for scatter, of course. After that the crates become fortifications and first unit to reach them rolls 1d6 for Special: 6 - Ammo Drop, gain TL, 5 - Fuel Drop, nearby vehicle gains +1d3 inches of movement, ... etc. ..., and of course on a roll of 1 it's Contaminated by Xenos - 1d6 Genestealers jump out and attack the unit
Of course all the illogicalities with shape etc. are because these are specially designed Strike Containers for front line use, so they must have some basic necessities for the troops that uses them as a shelter, such as air purification systems, comms, etc. - not to mention, a place to store those storm bolters
Might be fun to do a 'Container Outpost' for IG, one container done as a command post and a couple for accomondation/supplies, add some sandbags and barbed wire etc. for fortifications.
Not to mention, it would be a good reason to continue my HEMMT-based munitorium cargo truck project..
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2016/05/24 15:14:22
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
I'd get one of those containersthey look good! But I have a tendency not to paint terrain (still have 2 sets of citadel woods assembled that I use but haven't painted yet lol)
Any rumours for re-releases of the LOTR minis? Doesn't look like last week's release made any rumour threads till the day it came out
2016/05/24 16:28:46
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
chiefbigredman wrote: I'd get one of those containersthey look good! But I have a tendency not to paint terrain (still have 2 sets of citadel woods assembled that I use but haven't painted yet lol)
Any rumours for re-releases of the LOTR minis? Doesn't look like last week's release made any rumour threads till the day it came out
Because they're not advertising them. It's literally just things going up. White Dwarf doesn't even mention them.
2016/05/24 16:32:15
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
notprop wrote: The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
notprop wrote: The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
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notprop wrote: The thing is a Gothic styled container is a good addition to the market.
MDF is not the best material I find and increasing isn't the cheap alternative it once was, so an affordable plastic container would be a good addition to the market.
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
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2016/05/24 17:16:18
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
Wait, how do those qualify as 'affordable', Blackfang?
They look pricier than the GeeDub ones!
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Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2016/05/24 17:24:46
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
I want
Dockyards are a dangerous place.. Roll a D6 at the start of each player turn, on a 6 an overhead crane drops a shipping container. The active player may deep strike a shipping container anywhere on the board. If the container lands on a unit, friend or foe, do not mishap, instead inflict a number of S: D AP2 hits on the unit equal to the number of models under the container, then move any surviving models the minimum distance needed to allow the container to be placed on the table, this may cause models to move out of coherency.
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Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
I want
Dockyards are a dangerous place.. Roll a D6 at the start of each player turn, on a 6 an overhead crane drops a shipping container. The active player may deep strike a shipping container anywhere on the board. If the container lands on a unit, friend or foe, do not mishap, instead inflict a number of S: D AP2 hits on the unit equal to the number of models under the container, then move any surviving models the minimum distance needed to allow the container to be placed on the table, this may cause models to move out of coherency.
HA! You know, I would actually use those rules. I think theres actually a 30k Istvaan mission with a similar sort of rule that happens every round. I think it could make for some fun, what with the ever shifting terrain.
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Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
it could always be like that Tamaya acrylic clears.
those dry super glossy and smooth. really love it.
Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
it could always be like that Tamaya acrylic clears.
those dry super glossy and smooth. really love it.
That may be the gemstone paints.
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Warp Rider wrote: So, what are the new glossy shades going to do? Is it just a shade with a shiny finish?
I'm going to go on a hunch and say the new gloss shades are very similar to Army Painter's Quickshade...sort of a wood varnish with the established GW wash pigments for coloring. If that is the case (I really like the effect you get from the Quickshade varnish), I'll be getting these...as it will be great to have a few more options as far as shade colors. I'd imagine the soulstone paints are a similar medium, but with the bright colors you'd normally expect gems to be.
I would assume they're just washes, maybe with a gloss varnish in there. At most an ink wash although I doubt that.
it could always be like that Tamaya acrylic clears.
those dry super glossy and smooth. really love it.
That actually makes more sense for the gemstone paints.
Pssh, don't you know all the cool shipping containers are packing heat now?
But, but, but, those holes in the rim can be upgraded to smoke launchers (5 pts) or poison dart traps (assault 2 each, 50 pts) or chinese finger traps (unit in contact must pass Ld test on 3d6 to move away, 20 pts) and each version has its own grimdark name, unit datasheet and formation datasheet. And let's not get started on the crate decurion that gives them all It Will Not Die for free.
The decurion also gives all units scout.
Still waiting for Godot.
2016/05/24 19:06:11
Subject: GW - New paints & various urban bases (May 28) / Munitorum Armoured Containers (June 4)
I already have a ton of affordable plastic gothic containers tho.
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