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Nope - no female space marines - the fluff does not support it. You can model your units how ever you want though .

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I cannot even tell you if you making a in-universe argument (“The Imperium would see female SM as heresy”) or an out-universe argument (“A retcon introducing female Space Marines would be heresy to my eyes”).

I am making both arguments.

Well, to answer the first one, yeah, it would be a retcon about as huge as the introduction of the centurion armor which meant terminator armor was not the best armor available to the Imperium anymore; i.e. a small retcon that didn't cost GW much.
To answer the second one… well, I cannot really answer that. You sure care very much about keeping women out of space marines. Using heresy un-ironically that way really makes you feel like a very religious and conservative person, much more than you are I hope. That's… well, some combination.


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 Brennonjw wrote:
The army that's based on monastic groups and religious knightly orders that were only men, now needs women because political correctness?

The Space Wolves are based on monastic groups and religious knightly orders? More like Vikings and wolves, mostly wolves these days. The White Scars are based on monastic groups and religious knightly orders? More like Mongols, especially during the Khan invasion of Asia.
Both groups had women warriors (meaning Vikings and Mongols, wolves don't have warriors, but female wolves are still fearsome…). Yet somehow having the marines from those chapter include women would be a terrible betrayal at the very concept of those chapters.
The chapters that are obviously based on this are the Black Templars and the Dark Angels. Others have different inspirations.
And yeah, the marine chapters are NOT identical to their inspiration, in hundreds of way. But that one is a big deal. Maybe ask yourself why you are making this big a deal of that precise one.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I cannot even tell you if you making a in-universe argument (“The Imperium would see female SM as heresy”) or an out-universe argument (“A retcon introducing female Space Marines would be heresy to my eyes”).

I am making both arguments.

Well, to answer the first one, yeah, it would be a retcon about as huge as the introduction of the centurion armor which meant terminator armor was not the best armor available to the Imperium anymore; i.e. a small retcon that didn't cost GW much.
To answer the second one… well, I cannot really answer that. You sure care very much about keeping women out of space marines. Using heresy un-ironically that way really makes you feel like a very religious and conservative person, much more than you are I hope. That's… well, some combination.

Centurian armour is not a better suit of armour than Terminator armour. It simply lets the wearer heft around more guns/huge drills. That is not a retcon.

I am very much against adding women into the ranks of a Space Marine because then it would be a Space Marine. It wouldn't be the fraternity of brotherly Post-human death machines. You add a woman for the sake of adding one and... What do you get? Tokenism.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
It wouldn't be the fraternity of brotherly Post-human death machines.

Yeah, it would be a siblingity of brotherly and sisterly post-human death machine. What's the big deal about that change?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
You add a woman for the sake of adding one and... What do you get?

More opportunity for everyone to tailor-make their force into what they want to have, i.e. the possibility to stay within official canon and have a Chapter/Company/… of only male marines OR only female marines OR a mix of both in any way you want. How is that a terrible thing again?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
It wouldn't be the fraternity of brotherly Post-human death machines.

Yeah, it would be a siblingity of brotherly and sisterly post-human death machine. What's the big deal about that change?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
You add a woman for the sake of adding one and... What do you get?

More opportunity for everyone to tailor-make their force into what they want to have, i.e. the possibility to stay within official canon and have a Chapter/Company/… of only male marines OR only female marines OR a mix of both in any way you want. How is that a terrible thing again?

Because there is no reason for adding female Space Marines. They will be essentially the same as ordinary Space Marines, but female. You only want this so you can cater to those who strive for "social justice" and "equal opportunity" when all you are getting is a nice, helping of Tokenism. The reasons have been stated why female Space Marines cannot exist. Your only argument now is one for the sake of Tokenism. Maybe we should add a black guy to the Raven Guard or a white guy to the Salamanders because it allows "More opportunity for everyone to tailor-make their force into what they want to have, i.e. the possibility to stay within official canon and have a Chapter/Company/…" of All-Black Raven Guard and All-White Salamanders or a mix of both in any way you want. How is that a terrible thing again?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Because there is no reason for adding female Space Marines.

I just gave you one. Beside, you should rather ask yourself “is there a reason not to?”. If there is no reason not to and some people want it, just do it.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
They will be essentially the same as ordinary Space Marines, but female.

So, you won't mind them, because they are essentially the same, am I right? You cannot at the same time say that they would be exactly the same so it would not bring anything and that they would be different and therefore bring DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. You have to choose one option.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
You only want this so you can cater to those who strive for "social justice" and "equal opportunity" when all you are getting is a nice, helping of Tokenism.

That's not what tokenism means.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
How is that a terrible thing again?

Who said it was? I feel like when everyone was assuming I would be horrified at the idea of male SoB. Just, please, stop assuming what I would or wouldn't want. Stick to what I actually said.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
The army that's based on monastic groups and religious knightly orders that were only men, now needs women because political correctness?

The Space Wolves are based on monastic groups and religious knightly orders? More like Vikings and wolves, mostly wolves these days. The White Scars are based on monastic groups and religious knightly orders? More like Mongols, especially during the Khan invasion of Asia.
Both groups had women warriors.

They are still monastic/religous/knightly orders first, they just have a Nordic/Wolfish or Mongol flavour to them. Space Wolves don't go on raping and pillaging raids, they just have some Nordic names and a fetish for wolves.

Also it's debatable whether there were any significant number of viking warrior women.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Because there is no reason for adding female Space Marines.

I just gave you one. Beside, you should rather ask yourself “is there a reason not to?”. If there is no reason not to and some people want it, just do it.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
They will be essentially the same as ordinary Space Marines, but female.

So, you won't mind them, because they are essentially the same, am I right? You cannot at the same time say that they would be exactly the same so it would not bring anything and that they would be different and therefore bring DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. You have to choose one option.

They add nothing to the story... In fact, they almost detract from it.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
You only want this so you can cater to those who strive for "social justice" and "equal opportunity" when all you are getting is a nice, helping of Tokenism.

That's not what tokenism means.

Merrium Webster says:

"The practice of doing something (such as hiring a person who belongs to a minority group) only to prevent criticism and give the appearance that people are being treated fairly"

That is exactly why you would add them out of the blue and runs along the same reasoning as adding black-skinned Raven Guard and white-skinned Salamanders.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
How is that a terrible thing again?

Who said it was? I feel like when everyone was assuming I would be horrified at the idea of male SoB. Just, please, stop assuming what I would or wouldn't want. Stick to what I actually said.

I did stick to what you said. I stuck so far to what you said that I copied what you said almost verbatim.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
They are still monastic/religous/knightly orders first, they just have a Nordic/Wolfish or Mongol flavour to them.

Ahahah no.
“The All-father” is not someone worshiped in monastery, and you know it.
The very way that Space Wolves and White Scars worship the Emperor destroys your arguments.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Space Wolves don't go on raping and pillaging raids, they just have some Nordic names and a fetish for wolves.

And runes. And werewolves.
And mostly, they keep on drinking beer, eating tons of food, partying, boasting etc. Basically the opposite of your supposed monastic behavior.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Also it's debatable whether there were any significant number of viking warrior women.

Grasp at branches. The Norse mythology has enough warrior women anyway to already justify female space wolves. Because, as you know, werwolves and psykers are not historically accurate either.


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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
They add nothing to the story... In fact, they almost detract from it.

You have nothing to back that up.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
"The practice of doing something (such as hiring a person who belongs to a minority group) only to prevent criticism and give the appearance that people are being treated fairly"

That is exactly why you would add them out of the blue and runs along the same reasoning as adding black-skinned Raven Guard and white-skinned Salamanders.

Nah, it's not about “giving appearance”. It's about actually integrating them.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I did stick to what you said. I stuck so far to what you said that I copied what you said almost verbatim.

I never said that adding a black Raven Guard would be horrible. I never said it would be great either. I never stated my opinion on the subject. You just assume my opinion on the subject based on what's convenient to you. That… quite dishonest actually.

I just want to share with everyone how much happier my life has been in the last 18 hours or so now that I'm not a part of this thread anymore.

I hope people's resistance to trolling doesn't turn off any of the ladies that play or want to play, and just want to see models for the women they've read about in the actual background. That's a perfectly reasonable expectation and I think I speak for everyone when I say that we want you to be part of this community and this hobby.

Bye all! See you on the other side.

I need to correct a few inaccuracies made by other posters.

Nordic Warriors: It is actually wrong to say that there were women Vikings. Viking means the "activity of raiding", women never took part in those escapades. Where Nordic women did take arms it was in defence of home when the Men were all out Viking leaving the village more or less defenceless.

Nordic Mythology: In Norse mythology there are many strong and interesting female characters but none of them were warriors! The valkyrie were not warriors, they were goddesses tasked with collecting the finest warriors from mankind's battlefield dead so that those warriors could help the gods fight the Jötunn at the end of the universe. They did no fighting themselves.

It should be noted that in Norse society women were as equally as important as men but not the same as men. Where a man of status is a warrior a woman of status was a Seiðr. The Seiðr were seers, sorceresses, fateweavers, healers and priests. The rich and exceedingly interesting Nordic mythology was entirely created, maintained and propagated by the Seiðr who were all women.

On the subject of female space marines, or indeed female guard, on no account should we ever entertain the idea to pander to political correctness, tokenism or SJWs. All of that stuff is garbage and belongs in the trashcan of history. If we have any self-respect we should never give an inch to such pathetic trolling. If it is to be done it must be for a good reason.

Female marines should basically never happen. It is unfluffy, will kill GW's best selling line and make the company look like a bunch of silly asses for letting themselves be browbeaten by SJW morons.

When it comes to homeworld flavoured Guard and considering the existing ranges. Only Cadians are really possible for a quick female fix by adding a female plastic sprue as a upgrade pack purchasable separately from the main plastic boxes. Catachans also but given the massive muscles on Catachans the upgrade sprue will have to have its own arms and legs as well as torsos and head in order to work. All the other guard are currently only available in metal. If and when they get a plastic kit update then women parts should also not be included in the main kit but as a separate upgrade sprue. This is because the vast majority of Guard players are not going to want them and so are not going to appreciate having to buy parts they will not use.

I wouldn't even bother giving the Vostroyans any woman parts because from the fluff they are the least desperate to throw warm bodies into the grinder. They only recruit first born sons! If they don't bother dragging second or third sons into the meat grinder why would they ever take any daughters?

 SolarCross wrote:
On the subject of female space marines, or indeed female guard, on no account should we ever entertain the idea to pander to political correctness, tokenism or SJWs. All of that stuff is garbage and belongs in the trashcan of history. If we have any self-respect we should never give an inch to such pathetic trolling. If it is to be done it must be for a good reason.

Some people prefer the additional option.

That's a good reason.

As for the SJW thing, do I have to put the bicycle picture in my signature or something?

You're justifying your dismissal of an idea by saying you dislike those who support it.

Women-Marines appearing won't make the men-Marines disappear.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

So why is it so important to add females to their ranks?

I mean, they would be so augmented that they are not really female anymore.

Why is it so important to keep them male?

You have no other justification than bias whether they are human or not.

Which is what those like Hybrid who do want the option have too, so your side of the argument does not really have anything over him. Appeal to tradition, I guess?
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 =Angel= wrote:
You are exceptional.

Hopefully you are too.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Ahahah no.

Most factions are a mix of things, I see SW as the brotherhood of indoctrinated warriors common to all the SM chapters, just with a Nordic flavour. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your narrow mindedness that you can only see a faction in one way that fits a singular historical trope.

Grasp at branches. The Norse mythology has enough warrior women anyway to already justify female space wolves. Because, as you know, werwolves and psykers are not historically accurate either.

Me grasping at branches? You are the one who bolded and underlined that vikings has warrior women as if it were some fact that viking women fought alongside viking men, I was just pointing out that it's debatable.

Since we're talking about Space Wolves, they are a good example of the huge retcon needed to bring in females, you'd have to change every instance where they're referred to as "Sons of Russ"


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 Ashiraya wrote:

Why is it so important to keep them male?

Because that's what they already are; it takes more work to change them than keep them the same; you're gambling your existing customer base with a perceived customer base that may or may not exist in any significant number; you have to decide whether to go the visually distinctively female route or simply name change route and you aren't going to please everyone depending on which one you choose; and it changes their flavour.

 Ashiraya wrote:

Some people prefer the additional option.

That's a good reason.

As for the SJW thing, do I have to put the bicycle picture in my signature or something?

You're justifying your dismissal of an idea by saying you dislike those who support it.

Women-Marines appearing won't make the men-Marines disappear.

For GW having some people want it might be a good reason, if there are more of those people than those that would be annoyed by it.. I don't think that is the case but YMMV. If 10 people want it and 100,000 will go nuts and dump GW then it would not make sense.

You can put your bicycle pic wherever you like, it doesn't change a thing. SJWs are just trolling and attention seeking. They can never be part of the discussion.

I must reiterate. You can model your units however you want in this game. You can paint them any color you like too! Unless you have an agenda - that is enough. Not to mention there are several armies that include copious amount of females. If you don't like the lore in the game - I just don't understand why you read/play it.

Not to mention there are several armies that include copious amount of females

Really - where? In the fluff yes, on the tabletop no..............

Reason as to why there will never be female space marines.

All the primarchs were male as they were created directly from the emperor, and all space marines are decedents from their primarcs. Their genetic make up is inherently male, and its pretty good odds that the alterations a space marines undergoes would not actually work on a female as they were never designed to form the get go, and with the dark age of technology the ability to change and adapt the procedure probably does not exist.

Furthermore, space marines are recruited specifically by picking strong able bodies, and kick and scream all you want, genetically, males by nature will be stronger, faster, and more capable of physical prowess, because of this, there is good odds that females would not even survive the space marine surgical procedure as again, they were designed for the strongest of mortal warriors to undergo.

Adding further to that, and touching on my original point. In order to become a space marine, their genetics are altered, this process probably only works on males, as thats what it was designed for, and again, dark age of technology, genetics is probably forgotten, or labeled as heresy.

If you want female space marines, they exist, they are called the sisters of battle, which honestly makes this whole back and forth about space marines a moot point.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Not to mention there are several armies that include copious amount of females

Really - where? In the fluff yes, on the tabletop no..............

As far as most of the xenos go, half the models could be female and the model would not look different: Necrons, Tau, Tyrannids. Undead robot zombies do not have breasts even if they did have them before being cast into living metal shell.
The distinguishing female feature of the Tau are brow grooves but that is covered by a helmet 99% of the time. Also no breasts for reason of not being human type mammals.
Tyrannids also would not have breasts, their biology doesn't work that way.

The eldar of dark, light and clown varieties do apparently have breasts because they are basically fantasy elves in space and that is how elves are concieved. There are quite a lot of models with these features. Maybe there could be more but I don't see it as a big issue.

Orks are killer fungus, effectively biologically a-sexual. So no breasts.

Demons are creatures of the warp and so not biological entities at all. What does it mean to have a female demon??

So that is the xenos covered (I think I didn't miss any).

For the imperium of man. You have an all female sub-faction the SOB and a smattering of females throughout some of the other minor factions such as the assassins and inquisitors. Adeptus Mech are so heavily altered by cybernetics any females in their ranks would not have any remaining female distinguishing features. Knight Titan pilots could be either but it wouldn't show on the model (I do hope no one is going to suggest Knight Titans should have breasts).

So that leaves Guard and SM.

Some guard could have them but I guess GW didn't see a strong demand for it so didn't go the extra mile to make it happen.

SM shouldn't have them.

 SolarCross wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Not to mention there are several armies that include copious amount of females

Really - where? In the fluff yes, on the tabletop no..............

As far as most of the xenos go, half the models could be female and the model would not look different: Necrons, Tau, Tyrannids. Undead robot zombies do not have breasts even if they did have them before being cast into living metal shell.
The distinguishing female feature of the Tau are brow grooves but that is covered by a helmet 99% of the time. Also no breasts for reason of not being human type mammals.
Tyrannids also would not have breasts, their biology doesn't work that way.

The eldar of dark, light and clown varieties do apparently have breasts because they are basically fantasy elves in space and that is how elves are concieved. There are quite a lot of models with these features. Maybe there could be more but I don't see it as a big issue.

Orks are killer fungus, effectively biologically a-sexual. So no breasts.

Demons are creatures of the warp and so not biological entities at all. What does it mean to have a female demon??

So that is the xenos covered (I think I didn't miss any).

For the imperium of man. You have an all female sub-faction the SOB and a smattering of females throughout some of the other minor factions such as the assassins and inquisitors. Adeptus Mech are so heavily altered by cybernetics any females in their ranks would not have any remaining female distinguishing features. Knight Titan pilots could be either but it wouldn't show on the model (I do hope no one is going to suggest Knight Titans should have breasts).

So that leaves Guard and SM.

Some guard could have them but I guess GW didn't see a strong demand for it so didn't go the extra mile to make it happen.

SM shouldn't have them.

Pretty much this, if GW wanted to toss in an extra spru into guard boxes for female bodies, go for it, probably would end up in a 5 buck price hike, but i dont play guard so, knock your self out.

Apparently Teddy Bears are also not properly represented in the Space Marine line of models. Rather than whine about it some enterprising Teddy Bear SJW made his own...

 Mr Morden wrote:

Not to mention there are several armies that include copious amount of females

Really - where? In the fluff yes, on the tabletop no..............

For Eldar and Dark Eldar, yes. For Imperials, yes in the form of the SoB, Gaunt's Ghosts (one of the minis is a lady), Death Cultists and the Last Chancers.
For Demons, yes if you count slaaneshi.

There should ideally be female guard models though, at least for Catachan and Cadia; their deal is, iirc, that everyone fights.
Not sure about the Mordians, Tallarn and Valhallans though. First and Only yes, but its supposedly rare, though not unheard of.
Vostroyans and Kreig no, as Vostroyons only recruit first born sons and Krieg are supposed to be clones due to their depleted population.

In my eldar guardians - I had no choice but to include breasted models. The female Eldar are forced upon me! I don't care so much as they shoot the exact same as the male ones. Only thing that bothers me is it is much harder to glue the shuriken catapult across the massive eldar breasts. I can't even imagine this with a space marine. Not only would it look silly - special arm pieces would be needed to hold a bolter over the breasts. Space marines doing everything bigger - I'm sure would have the most massive breasts. Serious question....what would Ironhands females look like?

 SolarCross wrote:

Apparently Teddy Bears are also not property represented in the Space Marine line of models. Rather than whine about it some enterprising Teddy Bear SJW made his own...

Spoiler:

Women = teddy bears now?


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 SolarCross wrote:
If 10 people want it and 100,000 will go nuts and dump GW then it would not make sense.

Then it honestly sounds like a good change. If 100,000 will go nuts just from the existence of Marines who are not men, then I seriously question their priorities in things to go nuts over, and the community would probably be better off that way...

 Xenomancers wrote:
In my eldar guardians - I had no choice but to include breasted models. The female Eldar are forced upon me! I don't care so much as they shoot the exact same as the male ones. Only thing that bothers me is it is much harder to glue the shuriken catapult across the massive eldar breasts. I can't even imagine this with a space marine. Not only would it look silly - special arm pieces would be needed to hold a bolter over the breasts. Space marines doing everything bigger - I'm sure would have the most massive breasts. Serious question....what would Ironhands females look like?

In ancient times there was a tribe around the caucuses that was so out numbered and harrassed by stronger and more populous neighbours that even the women had to fight. (It was this tribe that probably inspired the Greek myth of the Amazons). They had a similar problem as your eldar guardians when it came to firing a bow, their tits would get in the way. Solution? They cut the right one off!

 SolarCross wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Not to mention there are several armies that include copious amount of females

Really - where? In the fluff yes, on the tabletop no..............

As far as most of the xenos go, half the models could be female and the model would not look different: Necrons, Tau, Tyrannids. Undead robot zombies do not have breasts even if they did have them before being cast into living metal shell.
The distinguishing female feature of the Tau are brow grooves but that is covered by a helmet 99% of the time. Also no breasts for reason of not being human type mammals.
Tyrannids also would not have breasts, their biology doesn't work that way.

The eldar of dark, light and clown varieties do apparently have breasts because they are basically fantasy elves in space and that is how elves are concieved. There are quite a lot of models with these features. Maybe there could be more but I don't see it as a big issue.

Orks are killer fungus, effectively biologically a-sexual. So no breasts.

Demons are creatures of the warp and so not biological entities at all. What does it mean to have a female demon??

So that is the xenos covered (I think I didn't miss any).

For the imperium of man. You have an all female sub-faction the SOB and a smattering of females throughout some of the other minor factions such as the assassins and inquisitors. Adeptus Mech are so heavily altered by cybernetics any females in their ranks would not have any remaining female distinguishing features. Knight Titan pilots could be either but it wouldn't show on the model (I do hope no one is going to suggest Knight Titans should have breasts).

So that leaves Guard and SM.

Some guard could have them but I guess GW didn't see a strong demand for it so didn't go the extra mile to make it happen.

SM shouldn't have them.

The word used was Copious................1.abundant in supply or quantity:

Looking at your own specific replies:

As we have discussed earlier - the fluff should be reflected on the tabletop.

The best reflection of the lore is Eldar and Dark Eldar - well there are a few, but one SC for Eldar and one for DE compared to how many males ones- any fluff reason - nope. Abundant - nope.
Exarchs can be either sex................except on the table top

Also technically there should be male Howling Banshees........

Adeptus Mechanicus - Going by the actual lore : some will retain sexual characteristics, or visual clues - others will not.

Female Daemons - they emulate and mock the material world so they should have a mixture of male ad female characteristics and none - Slaanesh famously is a hermaphrodite, although GW is always a bit nervous of this aspect for understandable reasons but they are demons of amongst other things - lust. There is however no reason not to have Tzeentch , Nurgle or Khrone Daemons with female aspects - and these would be, by their nature less sexualised.

Inquisitors - massive amounts of female ones in the lore - on the table top ZERO - any reason - nope.............

Imperium of Man - Perhaps you missed it but part of the point of this whole thread is that the only female imperial force is being phased out by GW as weirdly because they don't do anything with them - no new models, no OP formations, no super 7.5 Power Codexes.............they don't sell - weird that.

Again if we look at the actual Lore rather than just "I don't like females in my fantasy world" then the Guard should have a decent amount of female soldiers.............even the Cadian source is that "everyone fights".

I am not sure why people (and apparently) GW think that many gamers are terrified of using female models, although apparently some in this thread automatically equate this with a prevision........so that does not help.

Personally I don't want female Space Marines, any more than I want male Adepta Sororitas because I like the background but in the same way I want female Inquisitors, Guard and other figures BECAUSE its in the background.

I, like others, would prefer that the models we use on the table top reflect the actual lore and background of the 40k universe[u]..................others may not.

In ancient times there was a tribe around the caucuses that was so out numbered and harrassed by stronger and more populous neighbours that even the women had to fight. (It was this tribe that probably inspired the Greek myth of the Amazons). They had a similar problem as your eldar guardians when it came to firing a bow, their tits would get in the way. Solution? They cut the right one off!

Its more likely they were Scythian women - some of which appeared to ride to battle with their men according to the archeological record...............the evidence for the removal of a breast is at best dubious.

 SolarCross wrote:


When it comes to homeworld flavoured Guard and considering the existing ranges. Only Cadians are really possible for a quick female fix by adding a female plastic sprue as a upgrade pack purchasable separately from the main plastic boxes. Catachans also but given the massive muscles on Catachans the upgrade sprue will have to have its own arms and legs as well as torsos and head in order to work. All the other guard are currently only available in metal. If and when they get a plastic kit update then women parts should also not be included in the main kit but as a separate upgrade sprue. This is because the vast majority of Guard players are not going to want them and so are not going to appreciate having to buy parts they will not use.

I wouldn't even bother giving the Vostroyans any woman parts because from the fluff they are the least desperate to throw warm bodies into the grinder. They only recruit first born sons! If they don't bother dragging second or third sons into the meat grinder why would they ever take any daughters?

Catachan females are beef-cakey. You'd only need a different torso and head. On the topic of Vostroyans, they do sometimes give their firstborn daughters for the tithe. The Imperial Guard doesn't care what utilities you have as long as you can hold and point a flash light.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
The Imperial Guard doesn't care what utilities you have as long as you can hold and point a flash light.

This is important. Women do not aim any worse than men (better, actually, if what Israel says about its female soldiers is true), and who cares if you have 20% or 30% or whatever more upper body strength if that creature will one hit KO you and the two guys next to you anyway if you do not flashlight it down first?

IG has no reason to care about your sex.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Its more likely they were Scythian women - some of which appeared to ride to battle with their men according to the archeological record...............the evidence for the removal of a breast is at best dubious.

The Greek Physician Hippocrates reports:

Their women, so long as they are virgins, ride, shoot, throw the javelin while mounted, and fight with their enemies. They do not lay aside their virginity until they have killed three of their enemies, and they do not marry before they have performed the traditional sacred rites. A woman who takes to herself a husband no longer rides, unless she is compelled to do so by a general expedition. They have no right breast; for while they are yet babies their mothers make red-hot a bronze instrument constructed for this very purpose and apply it to the right breast and cauterize it, so that its growth is arrested, and all its strength and bulk are diverted to the right shoulder and right arm.

How is that dubious?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Using heresy un-ironically that way really makes you feel like a very religious and conservative person, much more than you are I hope. That's… well, some combination.

Um, TRIGGERED? Why do you hope he is less religious and conservative?
As a religious, conservative leaning, male presenting, cis gendered, humankin person of minority (celt) I find your insinuations horrifically bigoted and intolerant.

Do you regret the freeing of the slaves and the lobbying for black voting rights, primarily done by Republicans and Religious groups respectively?
Is that why you are pushing for more cis-gendered women in a universe with 8 entire factions* that can have females when only 1 chapter in a thousand is described as having dark skin?
In fact, despite the fact there are no brown-skinned Eldar, Tau or Orks at all, I have never heard you raise this issue.
I have my eye on you.
/PTSD

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Some people prefer the additional option.

That's a good reason.

It's not. Some people would like the option of tuning into women's tennis where the matches were nude. That's not a good reason for the Grand Slam to start providing them because there are compelling arguments against .
'some people would like it changed' isn't a good reason to change such a fundamental part of who space marines are ( and therefore what 40k is) or to change any piece of art or entertainment.

The solution would be to go and create art, games or a tennis league that serves your tastes rather than trying to adapt what other people enjoy.

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 Tactical_Spam wrote:
The Imperial Guard doesn't care what utilities you have as long as you can hold and point a flash light.

This is important. Women do not aim any worse than men (better, actually, if what Israel says about its female soldiers is true), and who cares if you have 20% or 30% or whatever more upper body strength if that creature will one hit KO you and the two guys next to you anyway if you do not flashlight it down first?

IG has no reason to care about your sex.

Imperial gaurd don't care at all about that you are correct. Take flashlight - go die for the emperor! I get the feeling that being in the IG is kind of like being in the red army during WW2 while Germany was laying the smack down. The Red army did in fact use women in combat too. When it comes to space marines though - we are talking about elite hand picked soldiers from the start. A good analogy here would be creating a super football player. If you wanted to modifiy a defensive lineman to begin physical and genetic augments to great a super player...You'd start with JJ Watt or someone similar - you wouldn't go to the WFA - you wouldn't even look there....Same is true of marines - women would not be considered in the selection process because there are much better specimens available to augment into super soldiers. For your own personal use though - tailor your own chapter that uses females! This is totally fine - most people would probably enjoy playing against it. To be true - marines are kind of girly on the table top - I think it suits them.