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 Sinful Hero wrote:
Getting tired of seeing Reavers and Raiders in these bundle boxes. Would much prefer Venoms/Ravagers and possibly Scourges in them. But I suppose that just means they're no longer for me.

On the other hand, Archon and warriors is a nice change from the nigh useless (but great models) wych cult like the last few boxes DE have gotten.

tneva82 wrote:
Plus there is the battleforce for the guardians and dire avengers.

Me thinking start collecting+battleforce adds up to pretty neat 2nd ed list for reasonable price. Maybe some aspect warriors from ebay and off you go! Need to create quick army list to check rough point value for that force.

Windrider Farseer
3xScatbikes
Prism
=340ish with moderate upgrades

10 guadians w/platform
5 DA w/ exarch
WS w/some extras
Vyper
=375ish

So a bit over 700 points, could probably be easily stretched to a 750 point list. Assuming the price for the start collecting box is the same as others, $200 will get you all of that. And would make a reasonably fun to play list.

Eldar and Dark Eldar have the potencial get other Start collecting Sets in the future.

Wow, another week of nothing. Its been about a month since they last release some real minis (silver tower). The rate of release has really slowed down when compared to the two previous years

 Nevelon wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Plus there is the battleforce for the guardians and dire avengers.

Me thinking start collecting+battleforce adds up to pretty neat 2nd ed list for reasonable price. Maybe some aspect warriors from ebay and off you go! Need to create quick army list to check rough point value for that force.

Windrider Farseer
3xScatbikes
Prism
=340ish with moderate upgrades

10 guadians w/platform
5 DA w/ exarch
WS w/some extras
Vyper
=375ish

So a bit over 700 points, could probably be easily stretched to a 750 point list. Assuming the price for the start collecting box is the same as others, $200 will get you all of that. And would make a reasonably fun to play list.

Presumably that's for current edition? I'm mostly interested in 2nd ed so points are bit higher actually. Roughly 700 pts BEFORE prism+wave serpent.

But yeah very nice start for friendly list. It's not tournament optimized but hey not every list has to be one!

(one problem 2nd ed has is that bikes are upgrades for guardian squads with minimum squad size 5...But that's easy to house rule).

Tempting. Eldar is one of the classic armies so would be nice to have smallish force at least.

Now if I would be better painter...Those flat vechiles are hard to paint!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
That Eldar box sounds kind of disappointing, actually. No Guardians or Dire Avengers? If the whole idea of the Start Collecting box is to, you know, start collecting, wouldn't you have some representation of the basic troops? It feels weird to have a Start Collecting box comprised almoat entirely of vehicles. I was kind of hoping we would see Wraith Guard or a Wraith Lord in that set.

Guardian Jetbikes are considered "basic troop" choices.

That's partly why everyone complains about Eldar; they can take a formation that basically consists of their strongest Troop choice with very little booby prize units to fill in their required Core choice..

It's not the formation it's the unit, the formation is useless you are much better taking a CAD. The unit is very cheap for what it is, that's the problem

The box is very good, making it a good option if you want to get lots of Warlocks and Farseer, although it's not that big of a saving because the Warlock/Farseer is overpriced, you are better converting the regular Windriders

Eldar SC box is disappointing and saves me $100, but Dark Eldar one is very good for starting a new army (or bulking out an existing one)... very dangerous to my wallet.

Iain.

Chikout wrote:
No start collecting Harlequins is disappointing. The eldar box is £76 individually, the dark eldar box £78.50 individually. After this there is just blood Angels, dark Angels, grey knights and harlequins still waiting for a start collecting box. We will probably see some of those alongside the war zone Fenris stuff.

I have no doubt there will be a Start Collecting! Harlequins at some point.

Also the Windriders are such nice models , they would be making a mistake putting in Dire Avengers or Guardians over them

tneva82 wrote:

Presumably that's for current edition? I'm mostly interested in 2nd ed so points are bit higher actually. Roughly 700 pts BEFORE prism+wave serpent.

But yeah very nice start for friendly list. It's not tournament optimized but hey not every list has to be one!

(one problem 2nd ed has is that bikes are upgrades for guardian squads with minimum squad size 5...But that's easy to house rule).

Tempting. Eldar is one of the classic armies so would be nice to have smallish force at least.

Now if I would be better painter...Those flat vechiles are hard to paint!

Yup, that’s the current codex. I assumed you meant a 2nd ed style list. Like those one-of-everything WD battle report armies from back in the day. I can just open battlescribe to rough out points for the modern stuff. I’d have to walk all the way downstairs to get my 2nd ed Eldar codex off the shelf to crunch points for older edition.

I actually found Eldar vehicles easier to paint then imperial ones. Sure, there are a lot of surfaces, but they are mostly uniform. Just a couple of thin coats to get the color right, paint a few accents, and then blackline it. Pretty quick, and that’s with an old fuzzy stick. An airbrush would help a lot to get the smooth looks Eldar crave.

 Korlandril wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
That Eldar box sounds kind of disappointing, actually. No Guardians or Dire Avengers? If the whole idea of the Start Collecting box is to, you know, start collecting, wouldn't you have some representation of the basic troops? It feels weird to have a Start Collecting box comprised almoat entirely of vehicles. I was kind of hoping we would see Wraith Guard or a Wraith Lord in that set.

Guardian Jetbikes are considered "basic troop" choices.

That's partly why everyone complains about Eldar; they can take a formation that basically consists of their strongest Troop choice with very little booby prize units to fill in their required Core choice..

It's not the formation it's the unit, the formation is useless you are much better taking a CAD. The unit is very cheap for what it is, that's the problem

Saying that "the formation is useless" is a ridiculous statement. Look at the Eldar Warhost and its components. The Windrider Host is, pound for pound, arguably one of if not the best Core choices in the game currently for any of the Decurion styled detachments.

Sure, you can take a CAD for OS...or if you want to take more than one LOW or lots of Wraith stuff, you can take the Warhost and Windrider Host as Core to relatively cheaply do so.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Korlandril wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
That Eldar box sounds kind of disappointing, actually. No Guardians or Dire Avengers? If the whole idea of the Start Collecting box is to, you know, start collecting, wouldn't you have some representation of the basic troops? It feels weird to have a Start Collecting box comprised almoat entirely of vehicles. I was kind of hoping we would see Wraith Guard or a Wraith Lord in that set.

Guardian Jetbikes are considered "basic troop" choices.

That's partly why everyone complains about Eldar; they can take a formation that basically consists of their strongest Troop choice with very little booby prize units to fill in their required Core choice..

It's not the formation it's the unit, the formation is useless you are much better taking a CAD. The unit is very cheap for what it is, that's the problem

Saying that "the formation is useless" is a ridiculous statement. Look at the Eldar Warhost and its components. The Windrider Host is, pound for pound, arguably one of if not the best Core choices in the game currently for any of the Decurion styled detachments.

Sure, you can take a CAD for OS...or if you want to take more than one LOW or lots of Wraith stuff, you can take the Warhost and Windrider Host as Core to relatively cheaply do so.

Lol ok, what's the one rule you get from the formation? Oh right it's for shuriken weapons, that's really helpful when all your bikes are armed with Scatter lasers

Also most events will have restrictions on LOW's so there are very few benefits to taking it when you can save 90pts by taking the bikes and Farseer in a CAD

So that leaves you with basically the only thing that makes this formation good is that the Windriders are good, so the formation is useless, you get more out of taking a CAD

 Nevelon wrote:
Yup, that’s the current codex. I assumed you meant a 2nd ed style list. Like those one-of-everything WD battle report armies from back in the day. I can just open battlescribe to rough out points for the modern stuff. I’d have to walk all the way downstairs to get my 2nd ed Eldar codex off the shelf to crunch points for older edition.

I actually found Eldar vehicles easier to paint then imperial ones. Sure, there are a lot of surfaces, but they are mostly uniform. Just a couple of thin coats to get the color right, paint a few accents, and then blackline it. Pretty quick, and that’s with an old fuzzy stick. An airbrush would help a lot to get the smooth looks Eldar crave.

Well we switched to 2nd ed so I'm looking for not just style but rules But flipside is codex is quickly accessible. Only ? is the two vechiles. Don't think there were official rules for them?

Certainly the army would be lot more old fashioned than these days. And especially feel more like in WD's but since I started with those the nostalgic feel is good And we prefer that style game.

I'm jealous over the airbrush look but don't feel like forking out that much money(at least yet). Maybe next year when current saving project is over and budget increases even for hobby expenses.

So... more pointy ears, you say?

Things I'd love:

Start Collecting: Harlequins
A board game of some kind featuring Exodites
An actual Exodite Supplement (I know, I know, not a hope)

Things I'd actually be really okay with:

Some Age of Sigmar Elf stuff - because no doubt they'll make epic conversion potential for Eldar, Dark Eldar or Harlequin players.

Yay for DE. I just started a force for them, and all 4 of those things are on my buy list. As a matter of fact, 2 of each are. So this is perfect. I guess being the target audience has some benefits, since that saved cash can go elsewhere now (like a couple of harlequin ICs)

 Barzam wrote:
That Eldar box sounds kind of disappointing, actually. No Guardians or Dire Avengers? If the whole idea of the Start Collecting box is to, you know, start collecting, wouldn't you have some representation of the basic troops? It feels weird to have a Start Collecting box comprised almoat entirely of vehicles. I was kind of hoping we would see Wraith Guard or a Wraith Lord in that set.

As i see it since it comes as a formation it may fill as a Saim-hann starter army, or add on if plan to ally with them.

 Robin5t wrote:
So... more pointy ears, you say?

Things I'd love:

Start Collecting: Harlequins
A board game of some kind featuring Exodites
An actual Exodite Supplement (I know, I know, not a hope)

Things I'd actually be really okay with:

Some Age of Sigmar Elf stuff - because no doubt they'll make epic conversion potential for Eldar, Dark Eldar or Harlequin players.

I think they have to do the aspect warriors in plastic before any of this. These sculpts are old and putrid for the most part, and are the main reason why I never started an Eldar army. It wouldn't hurt to redo the guardians also, as they are really starting to show their age.

Gotta say while I am not much of a fan for the SC Eldar box, but then again I'm probably just annoyed because I tend to get shot off the board because of those damned things with Scat Lasers.

The Dark Eldar however I'm definitely happy about, while I'm not going to need that many Raiders, maybe 3 at tops, but I definitely have a need for more Reavers and Warriors/Trueborn.

That Start Collecting MT box is sweet. Very tempting!

The Eldar Sketchbook looks like an amazing collectors item. I hope they do something like that for the armies I like.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:
Getting tired of seeing Reavers and Raiders in these bundle boxes. Would much prefer Venoms/Ravagers and possibly Scourges in them. But I suppose that just means they're no longer for me.

On the other hand, Archon and warriors is a nice change from the nigh useless (but great models) wych cult like the last few boxes DE have gotten.

Can't really argue with that.
Luckily Reavers come with a few extra heads to swap around(I usually use the spare helmets to help designate Trueborn). Raider also has a few of the hitchhikers you can repurpose for more dynamic Warriors as well. It's actually a really good box for the miniatures included(I haven't checked pricewise though).

 Robin5t wrote:
So... more pointy ears, you say?

Things I'd love:

Start Collecting: Harlequins
A board game of some kind featuring Exodites
An actual Exodite Supplement (I know, I know, not a hope)

Things I'd actually be really okay with:

Some Age of Sigmar Elf stuff - because no doubt they'll make epic conversion potential for Eldar, Dark Eldar or Harlequin players.

You know, funny enough, about 2ish? months ago Atia said something about GW working on Exodites but they wouldnt be coming out for at least a year minimum.

If we are getting more pointy ears, I’d really love to see some plastic aspects. While Eldar might be overpowered on the table, large chunks of their range is both finecast and ancient.

Tempted to pick up the eldar box. I’ve had my eye on a prism for a long time now. And could always use more bikes. It would represent a large chunk of my hobby budget, and I’m holding out for the next BaC-esque HH box. Luckily these start collecting boxes don’t seem to be going anywhere, and I’ve got plenty of stuff to paint.

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Luckily Reavers come with a few extra heads to swap around(I usually use the spare helmets to help designate Trueborn). Raider also has a few of the hitchhikers you can repurpose for more dynamic Warriors as well. It's actually a really good box for the miniatures included(I haven't checked pricewise though).

I think the Raider is the nicest transport kit that GW comes out with. It just has so much stuff in it, and it's a nice, complex model. I mean, compare it with a Rhino

I love the hitchikers!

I am disappointed the Eldar bundle isn't Guardians, a Farseer on foot, and a Wave Serpent. Basic Troops are better than Cheese Troops. The Dark Eldar bundle is better, hopefully it is paired with good rules.

 streetsamurai wrote:
It wouldn't hurt to redo the guardians also, as they are really starting to show their age.

Alas I'm affraid they aren't too likely to replace them in a hurry. Plastic BASIC troops don't seem to have much interest for them to replace. People already have them and harder to market basic grunts than awzum new elite unit.

Maybe one day but wouldn't holding my breath :(

Have the CSM or MT rules been leaked yet?

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
So... more pointy ears, you say?

Things I'd love:

Start Collecting: Harlequins
A board game of some kind featuring Exodites
An actual Exodite Supplement (I know, I know, not a hope)

Things I'd actually be really okay with:

Some Age of Sigmar Elf stuff - because no doubt they'll make epic conversion potential for Eldar, Dark Eldar or Harlequin players.

I think they have to do the aspect warriors in plastic before any of this. These sculpts are old and putrid for the most part, and are the main reason why I never started an Eldar army. It wouldn't hurt to redo the guardians also, as they are really starting to show their age.

Well, in that respect, updated Avatar of Khaine and Phoenix Lord models wouldn't go amiss. Those models haven't changed since what I roughly estimate to be the dawn of time.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I am disappointed the Eldar bundle isn't Guardians, a Farseer on foot, and a Wave Serpent. Basic Troops are better than Cheese Troops. The Dark Eldar bundle is better, hopefully it is paired with good rules.

Of course farseer on foot, guardian and wave serpent wouldn't sell all that well outside 2nd ed fans

Also would compete with the battleforce...This way these 2 have zero overlap so buying both makes very much sense. Your kit is basically smaller version of battleforce.

There's an image of the White Dwarf article floating around. The Craftworld formation gives a shooting buff of some kind to the Fire Prism when the Farseer is nearby - the wording makes me think it's going to be something like 'the Fire Prism can re-roll to hit rolls when the Farseer is within X inches'.

 Robin5t wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
So... more pointy ears, you say?

Things I'd love:

Start Collecting: Harlequins
A board game of some kind featuring Exodites
An actual Exodite Supplement (I know, I know, not a hope)

Things I'd actually be really okay with:

Some Age of Sigmar Elf stuff - because no doubt they'll make epic conversion potential for Eldar, Dark Eldar or Harlequin players.

I think they have to do the aspect warriors in plastic before any of this. These sculpts are old and putrid for the most part, and are the main reason why I never started an Eldar army. It wouldn't hurt to redo the guardians also, as they are really starting to show their age.

Well, in that respect, updated Avatar of Khaine and Phoenix Lord models wouldn't go amiss. Those models haven't changed since what I roughly estimate to be the dawn of time.

The Forge World Avatar is an amazing model and cheaper than a new plastic Avatar would be, so I don't think we need that. Phoenix Lords on the other hand...