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 ZergSmasher wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Dark Angels got a Ravenwing Bike Squad (not the Black Knights, the regular bikes), a Deathwing Command Squad (to make regular Termies), and the clampack Interrogator Chaplain. Then again, it could be the Black Knights kit instead. I dunno.
So far, they haven't passed up any opportunity to include the basic Troops choice of any of the Space Marine armies. DA would have to have a Tactical Squad. I really don't see any need to release one for DA given that the regular SM one works just fine. BA don't have Venerable Dreadnoughts, so it doesn't work. I think DA will get one, but it is less necessary.

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Ravenwing Command Squad = Black Knights.

The kit makes both, so you could do 3 bikes, 3 Command Squad/Black Knights, and then the Weaponised Religion landspeeder.

Then again, that's very similar to what's already on sale.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:
Dark Eldar probably get something stupid like 'everything cause Fear' if GW is just phoning theirs in... Otherwise, maybe Scout on everything or some kind of Deep Strike shenanigans?
Long shot would be some kind of boost to their Splinter weaponry or boosted FnP.

BA's could get Scout back on their Baal Pred... or maybe it gets to double-shoot ala Vanilla formation's Dreadnought. (which would be 'effing terrifying!)
Even strait Rage would be decent, as +2A on the charge + their basic +1S Furious Charge bonus means even basic Tacticals can start doing more than just bullying the likes of Guardsmen & Tau. (would make a Drop Pod a no-brainer add-on/next purchase too!)

If/when GK's get one, they'll probably get something that buffs a Dreadknight or the (likely) Librarian's psychic potential.
I am more hoping that the DE lets the Kabalites shot at full BS out of the Raider since that was taken from them. BA is probably going to do nothing to the Baal Pred. Rage or +1WS is probably all the Tacticals will get.

Well apparently, the BA formation is called a 'Carmine Host', "in which the Captain urges his battle-brothers to fight harder in Sanguinius' name."
(info via B&C here: http://i.imgur.com/Ybosmxg.jpg?1 )

So knowing that, maybe +1A for everyone near/in the same squad as the Captain? Maybe if BA players are lucky, +1A & Relentless?

 
   
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Does GW assume because we play an "evil" army that we just want to show up and play the bad guy so the "good guy" armies can prove once again that "justice always prevails" or something like that?

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Experiment 626 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:
Dark Eldar probably get something stupid like 'everything cause Fear' if GW is just phoning theirs in... Otherwise, maybe Scout on everything or some kind of Deep Strike shenanigans?
Long shot would be some kind of boost to their Splinter weaponry or boosted FnP.

BA's could get Scout back on their Baal Pred... or maybe it gets to double-shoot ala Vanilla formation's Dreadnought. (which would be 'effing terrifying!)
Even strait Rage would be decent, as +2A on the charge + their basic +1S Furious Charge bonus means even basic Tacticals can start doing more than just bullying the likes of Guardsmen & Tau. (would make a Drop Pod a no-brainer add-on/next purchase too!)

If/when GK's get one, they'll probably get something that buffs a Dreadknight or the (likely) Librarian's psychic potential.
I am more hoping that the DE lets the Kabalites shot at full BS out of the Raider since that was taken from them. BA is probably going to do nothing to the Baal Pred. Rage or +1WS is probably all the Tacticals will get.

Well apparently, the BA formation is called a 'Carmine Host', "in which the Captain urges his battle-brothers to fight harder in Sanguinius' name."
(info via B&C here: http://i.imgur.com/Ybosmxg.jpg?1 )

So knowing that, maybe +1A for everyone near/in the same squad as the Captain? Maybe if BA players are lucky, +1A & Relentless?
That would basically turn the Tactical Squad into Death Company. That would be kinda cool, though out of place. It wouldn't do anything for the poor Baal Predator though. If this does something to boost a Baal Predator, I am running two of these formations (I have the contents of this one already, but I could certainly get a second). Baal Predators do need a boost. Besides the Necron formation, all of the Start Collecting formations seem to include all of the models somehow.

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ProbabLy going to reroll failed leadership tests, just to give the Blood Angel players an extra kick in the ribs. :p

Maybe it will be something decent, like any model within 12" of the captain makes an extra shot? So the Basl would drop two flamer templates from the main gun, bolters rapid firing would fire three shots, etc.

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 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
 
   
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Spiritfox22 wrote:

If DA get a Start Collecting box I'm going to bet it will focus on either Ravenwing or Deathwing entirely. GK's probably a Libarian, Strike squad, and Dreadknight.


Hopefully if they did Dark Angels, it would be all Deathwing like you suggested and have a rule that if there is nothing on the table they don't auto loose as long as this formation is in reserves.

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I would love to see a Deathwing Start Collecting set. There is already the Battle force (which would probably be discontinued if theyou released a SC) for Ravenwing. Deathwing with a DW Command Squad, Terminator Librarian, and a Venerable Dreadnought would be kinda cool. Definitely needs Turn 1 Deep Strike capability.

I just don't want to see a Ravenwing Start Collecting. The other portions of the DA need some focus. Deathwing especially



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 Crazyterran wrote:
ProbabLy going to reroll failed leadership tests, just to give the Blood Angel players an extra kick in the ribs. :p

Maybe it will be something decent, like any model within 12" of the captain makes an extra shot? So the Basl would drop two flamer templates from the main gun, bolters rapid firing would fire three shots, etc.
I would love to see the ability to shoot double, but the C:SM bundle already has that. Maybe something like the old True Grit rule would be a good choice.

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Judging by the brief description from the WD advert, BA's will probably have some kind of close combat/assault phase bonus...

Mind you, double-shooting the Baal Pred with twin-linked asscan + 2x heavy b's would be near-instant death to most non-elite infantry/bikes/cav! (8 re-rolling S6/ap4 Rending + 12 S5/ap4 per turn? Gak, even T4/2+ or T5/3+ saves will melt to that!)

 
   
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Experiment 626 wrote:
Judging by the brief description from the WD advert, BA's will probably have some kind of close combat/assault phase bonus...

Mind you, double-shooting the Baal Pred with twin-linked asscan + 2x heavy b's would be near-instant death to most non-elite infantry/bikes/cav! (8 re-rolling S6/ap4 Rending + 12 S5/ap4 per turn? Gak, even T4/2+ or T5/3+ saves will melt to that!)
if there is something like that, I would rework my army to have two of these formations. Baal Predators would be insane. As it stands, I agree, it will be some sort of assault phase boost. Probably nothing too good though.

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You know, just switching gears for a second, but can I just say again what an amazing deal the Start Collecting boxes have been, and how much of a good sign I take them as being?

I wanted a couple more Crisis Suits, and another box of Fire Warriors... so what do I do? Pop in an order for my third Start-Collecting box, and boom, between the in-built discount, and my favorite online retailers break, I end up getting the Fire Warriors essentially for free, along with the Crisis Suits at a discount over MSRP. Amazing.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ravenwing Command Squad = Black Knights.

The kit makes both, so you could do 3 bikes, 3 Command Squad/Black Knights, and then the Weaponised Religion landspeeder.

Then again, that's very similar to what's already on sale.


I've had my eye on that box for a while, its good value.

However when I went to look for it the other day it was out of stock/ no longer available.

Here's the link for it in the Irish store https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Dark-Angels-Battleforce-2015


 
   
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I miss the older one, with 6 generic bikes, an attack bike, and a land speeder. I bought like 3 of those things to build up my bike force.

Depends on what they want to do with the DA getting started, but I could see one that was say 10 DA marines (built as a 5 man tac unit and 5 man vet unit) the plastic Int Chaplain, and then the Land Speeder Vengeance.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I miss the older one, with 6 generic bikes, an attack bike, and a land speeder. I bought like 3 of those things to build up my bike force.

Depends on what they want to do with the DA getting started, but I could see one that was say 10 DA marines (built as a 5 man tac unit and 5 man vet unit) the plastic Int Chaplain, and then the Land Speeder Vengeance.
You mean the bike army primer? Yeah, I am pissed I missed that one. By the time I realized what I was missing it was gone. But Crimson Fists have nothing to gain from Bikes. I would have made a different army if I had known bikes were so good. A blue WS successor like the Dark Hunters, maybe.

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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I miss the older one, with 6 generic bikes, an attack bike, and a land speeder. I bought like 3 of those things to build up my bike force.

Depends on what they want to do with the DA getting started, but I could see one that was say 10 DA marines (built as a 5 man tac unit and 5 man vet unit) the plastic Int Chaplain, and then the Land Speeder Vengeance.

That set was like the second thing I ever bought for my 40k collection (after the paint set with 5 DA tactical marines). It can still be found on eBay for varying prices. The only problem, and it's relatively minor, is the fact that the set includes the older-style hard-as-feth-to-assemble Land Speeder kit. That thing gave me fits, especially being relatively new to the whole painting and modelling thing.

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The BA one looks nice...
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Via archibald_tk

Last week "pointy ears" hint was just a reference to a nicely painted Dark Eldar army presented in the WD. Next to that the Ace system in the WD is a 35pts upgrade for any flyer, with a roll on a table for 3 possible results. Similar to the first time it popped up in the old Crusade of Fire book IIRC, but there are rolls for the FMC armies, I'm not sure if that was the case before.

I go from memory here, so mistakes may be made:
- Eldars/Dark Eldars use the same table so that the glorious Craftworlders no longer have to acknowledge their lowly pale peasants cousins as a real independent army!
- SM and BA roll on different tables, yet I'm pretty sure they actually are the same. But it's okay, they needed to fill space and it's not like another army could have used it.
- There is a table for "other factions" so if such a thing as a SoB flyer exist you know where to roll.

Tables results I remember:
- Nids (Automatically succeed instinctive behavior or +3" to synapse range / +1W / if within 12" of a board edge, can go into ongoing reserves at the beginning of the enemy shooting phase before any shots are fired)
- Daemons (reroll vector strikes that failed to wound or penetrate / +1 W IIRC / +1 invulnerable save compatible with other upgrades)
- CSM (+1 BS / reroll vector strikes like daemons / units within 12" have... relentless I think? Amusingly while I know the rules in English I sometime have no idea what a rule in my own language is...)

A lot of the tables have +1 BS as their first result. IG/MT can roll a +1 AV to their front armor for some AV13 goodness, Orks also can so that you can upgrade from paper plane to cardboard plane!

Next week hints talk about war in the mortal realms so probably AoS.
[i]

So, random upgrades for flyers?
   
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zamerion wrote:
Via archibald_tk

Last week "pointy ears" hint was just a reference to a nicely painted Dark Eldar army presented in the WD. Next to that the Ace system in the WD is a 35pts upgrade for any flyer, with a roll on a table for 3 possible results. Similar to the first time it popped up in the old Crusade of Fire book IIRC, but there are rolls for the FMC armies, I'm not sure if that was the case before.

I go from memory here, so mistakes may be made:
- Eldars/Dark Eldars use the same table so that the glorious Craftworlders no longer have to acknowledge their lowly pale peasants cousins as a real independent army!
- SM and BA roll on different tables, yet I'm pretty sure they actually are the same. But it's okay, they needed to fill space and it's not like another army could have used it.
- There is a table for "other factions" so if such a thing as a SoB flyer exist you know where to roll.

Tables results I remember:
- Nids (Automatically succeed instinctive behavior or +3" to synapse range / +1W / if within 12" of a board edge, can go into ongoing reserves at the beginning of the enemy shooting phase before any shots are fired)
- Daemons (reroll vector strikes that failed to wound or penetrate / +1 W IIRC / +1 invulnerable save compatible with other upgrades)
- CSM (+1 BS / reroll vector strikes like daemons / units within 12" have... relentless I think? Amusingly while I know the rules in English I sometime have no idea what a rule in my own language is...)

A lot of the tables have +1 BS as their first result. IG/MT can roll a +1 AV to their front armor for some AV13 goodness, Orks also can so that you can upgrade from paper plane to cardboard plane!

Next week hints talk about war in the mortal realms so probably AoS.
[i]

So, random upgrades for flyers?

Just a reprint of the Fighter Ace tables from the Leviathan campaign book.
   
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The Dark Angels Battleforce box has been "no longer availbe" for a few weeks here in the UK. it was a good kit but had its problems. The marketing on the side of the box listed the Command squad as a HQ choice and as Trading standards trump codex rules it was always a problem and my local shop let me know about the error each time I bought one. Although you could asemble the landspeeder as a SableClaw so it did have an HQ option in the box.

My bet on what we will see in the Ravenwing/Dark Angle Start Collecting box will be:
1x Lanspeeder * *The lanspeeder will be set-up like SableClaw but may have options for typhoon.
3x Black Knights


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commander dante wrote:
The BA one looks nice...
GW, DO NOT screw this up

oh you.

...

I am counting on nothing good for the boys in red anytime soon. At least nothing that fixes or at least addresses any of their problems.

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
commander dante wrote:
The BA one looks nice...
GW, DO NOT screw this up

oh you.

...

I am counting on nothing good for the boys in red anytime soon. At least nothing that fixes or at least addresses any of their problems.

Then again, our Dreadnoughts DID get fixed...
   
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So, any word on what the formation benefits for the Eldar and Dark Eldar boxes are?
   
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Any more armies that don't have a Start Collecting set yet Besides Dark Angels and Grey Knights?

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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.

Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?

Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".  
   
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Davor wrote:
Any more armies that don't have a Start Collecting set yet Besides Dark Angels and Grey Knights?

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:
commander dante wrote:
The BA one looks nice...
GW, DO NOT screw this up

oh you.

...

I am counting on nothing good for the boys in red anytime soon. At least nothing that fixes or at least addresses any of their problems.

Because it's not like your Dreadnoughts just got fixed, which is more than can be said for the poor Ork & Chaos ones...
...and odds are BA's will get their FAQ well before any other 'bottom feeder', and will almost certainly get their WS/BS3 Scouts & lack of Grav cannon crutches taken care of.

I mean, I'm betting that BA's will almost certainly have the most lackluster formation of any of the Loyalist armies, but it's not like you're going to be worse than what CSM's got hosed with.



As for what's still missing?
Uh, Chaos Daemons anyone?! Sure there's a box for (surprise, surprise!) Khorne & Nurgle (because the other don't exist according to GW), but there's no 40k rules in either one.

And considering how inflexible our main formations from CotW turned out, it would be nice to get at least one formation that doesn't require 6-9 units, or 1000+ pts of the game's worst MC's to field!

 
   
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Craftworld Eldar:

If the Farseer has LOS to a unit, the Fire Prism gets TL against that unit.

Dark Eldar:

If the Archon has LOS to a unit, the Kabalites get Preferred Enemy against that unit.

Not the worst things in the world, not earth shattering by any means but not awful. I was hoping for something cool for the reaver jetbikes, but at least now there's a formation of some sort for Kabalites.

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I would love to see the DA veterans get some love. Maybe a tactical squad, a veteran box and an Interregator for the start collecting box.

Greenwing gets no love. Honestly I am sick of all the Ravenwing love from GW and the community. (Just a personal quirk, dont get offended)

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Why would BA get Grav Cannons? Didn't Grav Cannons exist before the new BA cidex and they chose it to include them?


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Spotted online (no picture, just text, so grain of salt)

Craftworld Eldar:

If the Farseer has LOS to a unit, the Fire Prism gets TL against that unit.

Dark Eldar:

If the Archon has LOS to a unit, the Kabalites get Preferred Enemy against that unit.

Not the worst things in the world, not earth shattering by any means but not awful. I was hoping for something cool for the reaver jetbikes, but at least now there's a formation of some sort for Kabalites.


I've seen the pic, it's true. DE formation is wrong though, the whole formation gets PE not just the Kabalites.

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Experiment 626 wrote:

Because it's not like your Dreadnoughts just got fixed, which is more than can be said for the poor Ork & Chaos ones...
...and odds are BA's will get their FAQ well before any other 'bottom feeder', and will almost certainly get their WS/BS3 Scouts & lack of Grav cannon crutches taken care of.



Blood Angels won't get Grav Cannons in the FAQ. Rarely if ever does GW add something like that in an FAQ.

Maybe the WS/BS 4 for scouts.
   
 
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