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Trump is a baddie but that doesn't really matter.

The fact that he's got so far is the problem. It's a reminder that there is a significant dark side to the US.

I'm hoping that he'll be trounced in the actual elections but if not, even if its only a small loss. That's a lot of bigotry over there isn't it?

There's a lot of bigotry everywhere, the US isn't unique in that regard. Trump is basically the result of one party getting hoist by its own petard and its dogma resulting in the breakdown of party discipline.

That said, the assassination attempt by a foreign national will probably only help fuel that dogma, though it appears the incident isn't receiving top tier coverage so maybe it'll just fade away quickly.

For all the obvious reasons, I deplore such attempts.

But the ideal scenario would be the one from The Dead Zone movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZJF81jt4w

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770

According to the court papers, Mr Sandford said he had never fired a gun before but went to a range in Las Vegas on 17 June to learn how to shoot.
At Saturday's rally at the Treasure Island Casino, he allegedly tried to grab the officer's weapon because it was in an unlocked position and therefore, he said, the easiest way to get a gun to shoot Mr Trump.
Court documents say Mr Sandford acknowledged he knew he would only be able to fire one or two rounds, and expected to be killed during an attempt on Mr Trump's life.

He told police if he had not tried to kill Mr Trump at this rally he would have tried again at a rally in Phoenix, for which he had already booked tickets, the papers say.
He told investigators he had been in the US for one and a half years and drove to Las Vegas from California specifically to kill Mr Trump, the court papers say.
Court research showed he was unemployed, living out of his car and in the US illegally, the Associated Press news agency reports.
A federal public defender said he had autism and had attempted suicide, the agency adds.

He said he had been planning to try to shoot Mr Trump for about a year but had decided to act now because he finally felt confident enough to do so, court papers say

1 year...

.. and this is the best idea he could come up with ?!




They serve tea in USA jails right ?

ok an Illegal with mental issues, this is not gonna go over well and feel its gonna be brought up, meanwhile most of the media is keeping it low key, because they know this will not go over well, unlike the BBC who is distancing England from this wacko. as for the last bit, what can I say a PD is trying to go for the mentally unstable card.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-36582770

 =Angel= wrote:

Agreed. There have been many people calling for DJT's death since he's been labelled a bigot and racist (co-incidentally, since he began running against a Democrat)

Running against a democrat has nothing to do with it. It's down to the fact that he made racist and bigoted statements, to try and win an election. The running against a democrat is a function of the system, not a reason why people are claiming anything.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 =Angel= wrote:

Agreed. There have been many people calling for DJT's death since he's been labelled a bigot and racist (co-incidentally, since he began running against a Democrat)

Running against a democrat has nothing to do with it. It's down to the fact that he made racist and bigoted statements, to try and win an election. The running against a democrat is a function of the system, not a reason why people are claiming anything.

no but a Jihadist claiming mass shooter, Zika Virus, crazy illegal Brit shooters and a angry foreign national taking hostages in a WalMart are not exactly hurting his claims either. and that is just the last month.

Surprised this is only the first tbh, expected more by now. The nationality is a surprised, I would have assumed it would be an American beforehand.

Asterios wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 =Angel= wrote:

Agreed. There have been many people calling for DJT's death since he's been labelled a bigot and racist (co-incidentally, since he began running against a Democrat)

Running against a democrat has nothing to do with it. It's down to the fact that he made racist and bigoted statements, to try and win an election. The running against a democrat is a function of the system, not a reason why people are claiming anything.

no but a Jihadist claiming mass shooter, Zika Virus, crazy illegal Brit shooters and a angry foreign national taking hostages in a WalMart are not exactly hurting his claims either. and that is just the last month.

Which claims? That Muslims thronged the streets to cheer on September 11? That a judge born in America with Mexican heritage is incapable of giving his con job of a university a fair trial? That he had no idea who the KKK guy supporting him was, and that he'd never met him? That President Obama is a secret foreign-born Muslim who had a hand in the Orlando shooting? Or how about this gem from the seventies -

Donald Trump With Possible Actual Hair wrote:And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it, the only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.

He's being called a bigot and racist because of all the bigoted and racist stuff he says. There's no conspiracy.

And what does Zika have to do with anything?

That said, please don't shoot him. We don't need assassinations in our politics. Glad they stopped the guy.

If this guy was brown and Muslim this would be big, big news.

 Spinner wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

 =Angel= wrote:

Agreed. There have been many people calling for DJT's death since he's been labelled a bigot and racist (co-incidentally, since he began running against a Democrat)

Running against a democrat has nothing to do with it. It's down to the fact that he made racist and bigoted statements, to try and win an election. The running against a democrat is a function of the system, not a reason why people are claiming anything.

no but a Jihadist claiming mass shooter, Zika Virus, crazy illegal Brit shooters and a angry foreign national taking hostages in a WalMart are not exactly hurting his claims either. and that is just the last month.

Which claims? That Muslims thronged the streets to cheer on September 11? That a judge born in America with Mexican heritage is incapable of giving his con job of a university a fair trial? That he had no idea who the KKK guy supporting him was, and that he'd never met him? That President Obama is a secret foreign-born Muslim who had a hand in the Orlando shooting? Or how about this gem from the seventies -

Donald Trump With Possible Actual Hair wrote:And isn’t it funny. I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it, the only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.

He's being called a bigot and racist because of all the bigoted and racist stuff he says. There's no conspiracy.

And what does Zika have to do with anything?

That said, please don't shoot him. We don't need assassinations in our politics. Glad they stopped the guy.

the Orlando shooter who claimed he was doing the shooting for ISIL and even named the groups leader, but nice try on trying to remove what was the obvious point, the problem is yes Trump says a lot of Bigoted stuff, also where do you get the racist from? Bigoted? yes, Racist? don't think so, but then again when people are faced with a reality they do not like they will claim Racism even though none exists in what they are claiming it on. sad thing is those who claim racism where none exists, are racists themselves. even though they might not realize it. as to the KKK guy hell I don't even know his name, nor do I care to. right now this country is a powder keg and it takes only one small spark to set it ablaze, and right now way things are going it will happen and happen soon and it will Clinch Trumps spot in the presidency, for good or bad whether we like him or not he will be president, will he be a good president? no, will he be a bad president? no he will be a lame duck president who gets nothing done, but might actually get the government to enforce its own laws, which is why people will vote for him.

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Asterios wrote:

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Obama is weak against Zika Virus immigration. Is that what you're saying? You are being asked to clarify why you added the Zika Virus to the list of reasons "he's been labelled a bigot and racist".

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Obama is weak against Zika Virus immigration. Is that what you're saying? You are being asked to clarify why you added the Zika Virus to the list of reasons "he's been labelled a bigot and racist".

as to the Zika virus never said it made sense, but then again you probably thought the same thing during the Swine flu epidemic, or the avian flu epidemic.

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Obama is weak against Zika Virus immigration. Is that what you're saying? You are being asked to clarify why you added the Zika Virus to the list of reasons "he's been labelled a bigot and racist".

Forget walls, you need an enormous mozzie net!

What do any facts about the Orlando shooter have to do with Trump insinuating President Obama had a hand in his attack?

Suggesting that a man with Mexican heritage - and, again, being born in the United States - cannot give Trump an objective trial solely because of that heritage is quite racist, actually. So is suggesting that black people are worse accountants than Jewish people. It's perfectly possible to dislike someone, or even recognize that someone's racism, without being racist; I have absolutely nothing against Oompa-Loompas, I just can't stand Donald Trump.

Funny how trump said basically the same thing about the KKK guy, despite, you know. Actually having met and talked to him.

I know what Zika is. Has Trump said anything about it? I still don't see how that's relevant.

I used to think the country was super-divided and about to go to war with itself too. My freshman year of college was a somewhat confused time.

Asterios wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Obama is weak against Zika Virus immigration. Is that what you're saying? You are being asked to clarify why you added the Zika Virus to the list of reasons "he's been labelled a bigot and racist".

as to the Zika virus never said it made sense, but then again you probably thought the same thing during the Swine flu epidemic, or the avian flu epidemic.

If you have any point to make at all, then please come out and make it because so far all I'm seeing in this line of conversation is akin to the mutterings of Foul Ole Ron.

Millennium Hand and Shrimp!

 Spinner wrote:
What do any facts about the Orlando shooter have to do with Trump insinuating President Obama had a hand in his attack?

Suggesting that a man with Mexican heritage - and, again, being born in the United States - cannot give Trump an objective trial solely because of that heritage is quite racist, actually. So is suggesting that black people are worse accountants than Jewish people. It's perfectly possible to dislike someone, or even recognize that someone's racism, without being racist; I have absolutely nothing against Oompa-Loompas, I just can't stand Donald Trump.

Funny how trump said basically the same thing about the KKK guy, despite, you know. Actually having met and talked to him.

I know what Zika is. Has Trump said anything about it? I still don't see how that's relevant.

I used to think the country was super-divided and about to go to war with itself too. My freshman year of college was a somewhat confused time.

No Trump never said anything about Zika Virus, the problem is he doesn't its already in peoples heads a disease coming from central and south America and such is spreading it causes harm to children before they are born. so what do you think people will start doing to slow or prevent the disease? look what was done during the swine flu epidemic, or the Avian flu epidemic across the world, during the swine flu epidemic I remember whole countries banning anyone from Mexico or who had been to Mexico lately from entering their country.

as to the Judge, I would look for anything and everything to get him discredited why? because that will help me.

and just like I hate Clinton more then I hate Trump, see Trumps supporters are two fold, those who like him, and those who hate Clinton.

Dear god Asterios you make it so hard to follow rule 1. You remind me of Alex Jones.

In all honesty this incredibly surprising a Brit tried his hand at this. I am curious did they give this guys age? I could honestly see that playing a factor in why his 'cunning' plan failed.

lonestarr777 wrote:
Dear god Asterios you make it so hard to follow rule 1. You remind me of Alex Jones.

In all honesty this incredibly surprising a Brit tried his hand at this. I am curious did they give this guys age? I could honestly see that playing a factor in why his 'cunning' plan failed.

From the look of him I'd say early to mid 20s ish? Apparently he went to a shooting range to practice firing a glock beforehand. What's the minimum age to use a shooting range in Vegas? Might give us a lower limit at least.

So you think Trump will rise on a Zika-based wave of hysteria? I think he's already got most of the crazy reactionary knee-jerk gut-instinct-is-better-than-actually-thinking demographic on his side, yeah, but I don't think that's going to be anywhere near enough. Walls don't keep out mosquitoes.

Would you say something racist about the judge in his case? Would that not make you a racist? What if you had a history of racist comments, would that make a difference?

I notice there's a couple points you didn't address there.




I think they said the guy was twenty?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

lonestarr777 wrote:
Dear god Asterios you make it so hard to follow rule 1. You remind me of Alex Jones.

In all honesty this incredibly surprising a Brit tried his hand at this. I am curious did they give this guys age? I could honestly see that playing a factor in why his 'cunning' plan failed.

From the look of him I'd say early to mid 20s ish?

think he was 27 or 28, might be younger not sure.

 Spinner wrote:
So you think Trump will rise on a Zika-based wave of hysteria? I think he's already got most of the crazy reactionary knee-jerk gut-instinct-is-better-than-actually-thinking demographic on his side, yeah, but I don't think that's going to be anywhere near enough. Walls don't keep out mosquitoes.

problem is you think people vote rationally, they don't they vote emotionally.

Did someone in this thread actually say that they'd be okay with Trump being shot????

So you're okay with mortal violence against someone who doesn't share your beliefs, are you?

Sounds like you're a worse human being than you claim Trump is whoever you are. Disgraceful.

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Obama is weak against Zika Virus immigration. Is that what you're saying? You are being asked to clarify why you added the Zika Virus to the list of reasons "he's been labelled a bigot and racist".

Oh contraire, Obama has deported twice as many Zika immigrants as the previous administration!

Re-topic. Seriously, with all the hostility, all our Presidential candidates need to be doubly protected.
Unseriously-this is the best British assassin? Come on, I thought you guys had Liam Neeson. Now there's a man with a very special set of skills.

Coming summer 2017-Liam Neeson- Assassin Accountant! He'll kill your taxes, and the bad guys!

Asterios wrote:

 Spinner wrote:
So you think Trump will rise on a Zika-based wave of hysteria? I think he's already got most of the crazy reactionary knee-jerk gut-instinct-is-better-than-actually-thinking demographic on his side, yeah, but I don't think that's going to be anywhere near enough. Walls don't keep out mosquitoes.

problem is you think people vote rationally, they don't they vote emotionally.

I suspect most people's emotional response to Donald Trump is "Urgh, look at that enormous racist pumpkin and his tiny, tiny hands."

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Did someone in this thread actually say that they'd be okay with Trump being shot????

So you're okay with mortal violence against someone who doesn't share your beliefs, are you?

Sounds like you're a worse human being than you claim Trump is whoever you are. Disgraceful.

Hey, being shot worked wonders for Reagan, politically. If this guy were better at it and Trump survived being shot then it could have been the biggest boost to Trumps campaign and not cost him a cent.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Did someone in this thread actually say that they'd be okay with Trump being shot????

So you're okay with mortal violence against someone who doesn't share your beliefs, are you?

Sounds like you're a worse human being than you claim Trump is whoever you are. Disgraceful.

The nearest was " I wouldve shed no tears had trump been shot...but doing that wouldve only turned him into a martyr."

So that's a anti-assassination, and nuanced response, unlike yours, which takes aim at a foe who exists only in your own head. Now, who does that remind me of...

actually someone said that, the post was removed.

Asterios wrote:


actually someone said that, the post was removed.

I thought I saw someone specifically say that. Thanks.

 Frazzled wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Asterios wrote:

As too the Zika virus it is an infection spreading into the US, go read about it.

Obama is weak against Zika Virus immigration. Is that what you're saying? You are being asked to clarify why you added the Zika Virus to the list of reasons "he's been labelled a bigot and racist".

Oh contraire, Obama has deported twice as many Zika immigrants as the previous administration!

Re-topic. Seriously, with all the hostility, all our Presidential candidates need to be doubly protected.
Unseriously-this is the best British assassin? Come on, I thought you guys had Liam Neeson. Now there's a man with a very special set of skills.

Coming summer 2017-Liam Neeson- Assassin Accountant! He'll kill your taxes, and the bad guys!

Pffft, our best assassin (according to conspiracy theorists at least) is drunk drivers and the french paparazzi.

 Hivefleet Oblivion wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:
Did someone in this thread actually say that they'd be okay with Trump being shot????

So you're okay with mortal violence against someone who doesn't share your beliefs, are you?

Sounds like you're a worse human being than you claim Trump is whoever you are. Disgraceful.

The nearest was " I wouldve shed no tears had trump been shot...but doing that wouldve only turned him into a martyr."

So that's a anti-assassination, and nuanced response, unlike yours, which takes aim at a foe who exists only in your own head. Now, who does that remind me of...

Dude, WTF are you talking about?

"I would've shed no tears had trump been shot" = I am okay if that happens.

I don't mince words. The fact that you're actually trying to justify someone saying that about another human being is nauseating to me.

However if he did succeed. Trump would be idolised as the guy who died for his cause...

Do you want that.