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...wearing Bruce Jenner's gold medal. It's been 40 years since Bruce won that medal in the Decathlon at the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal.

With all of our discussions here about transgenders, I'm curious what people think of this.

I'm confused to be honest. Why put yourself out there like that?

IDC. Honestly. Her medal to do with as she pleases. Her body to do with as she pleases.

My issues with Caitlyn Jenner have nothing to do with her transgenderism.

Are you implying that Bruce and Caitlyn Jenner are two different people?

Well, they are the same person, it's not like she has a different brain. I'm not sure of your point.

Why not put herself out there like that? She's allowed to be proud of her past accomplishments. And isn't she supposed to be a leader of the transgender community, at least as far as celebrity goes?

She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
...wearing Bruce Jenner's gold medal. It's been 40 years since Bruce won that medal in the Decathlon at the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal.

With all of our discussions here about transgenders, I'm curious what people think of this.

Because it's still his/her medal. Even if she has boobs now, he still earned that medal, so it's hers to do with as she pleases.

I'm confused to be honest. Why put yourself out there like that?

Money, ratings, controversy. Her family thrives on it, it's the only reason they're still relevant.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Are you implicating that Bruce and Caitlyn Jenner are two different people?

Implying? Or are you saying OP committed a crime here?

BossJakadakk wrote:
Why not put herself out there like that? She's allowed to be proud of her past accomplishments. And isn't she supposed to be a leader of the transgender community, at least as far as celebrity goes?

I would not go as far as to call her a leader. There are many within the community who do not feel comfortable with the way she represents the community as a whole, partly because she has been quite flip floppy on her desire to be operated on.

 redleger wrote:

BossJakadakk wrote:
Why not put herself out there like that? She's allowed to be proud of her past accomplishments. And isn't she supposed to be a leader of the transgender community, at least as far as celebrity goes?

I would not go as far as to call her a leader. There are many within the community who do not feel comfortable with the way she represents the community as a whole, partly because she has been quite flip floppy on her desire to be operated on.

That's why I qualified it with the "as far as celebrity goes" part. I could have been more clear, for sure. I don't consider her to be a great role model personally (or much of one at all), but I get the feeling people believe she's supposed to be, simply because she's famous and doing (currently) a controversial thing (being super public about being transgender).

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
Are you implicating that Bruce and Caitlyn Jenner are two different people?

Implying? Or are you saying OP committed a crime here?

Oops! I mean, I'm all for transgender rights but I don't think I'm on the "die cis-scum die" level.

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

It seems like sports Illustrated has started trying to be controversial as well. Didn't they feature a plus size model a while back?

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

She still did it.

Look at it this way: Should she have things taken away that she qualified for before transitioning?

Exam results? Driving license?

Then why should she throw off something because it is a bit more public?

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

Not just a name change. She won the medal as a male and then lauds it in the front cover of a sports magazine as a female seems a little disingenuous.


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 Buttery Commissar wrote:

Exam results? Driving license?

The name and sex has to be changed on a driver's license before it is legal to use. See?

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

Not just a name change. She won the medal as a male and then lauds it in the front cover of a sports magazine as a female seems a little disingenuous.

Why? She still won the medal. Unless she got a brain/soul transplant I don't see how she is magically a different person now...

I am confused. This is a new edition? Wasn't this medal 40 years ago?
Not buying that.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

Not just a name change. She won the medal as a male and then lauds it in the front cover of a sports magazine as a female seems a little disingenuous.

Why? What bearing does her being a woman now have on the fact that she won it fair and square?

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

Not just a name change. She won the medal as a male and then lauds it in the front cover of a sports magazine as a female seems a little disingenuous.

Why? What bearing does her being a woman now have on the fact that she won it fair and square?

That is why I put up the question. To see what others think about it.

I find it disingenuous. You don't want to be known by that name or live that life, but you want to be celebrated for what you were. Doesn't make sense to me. That's all. It's not good or bad. It just IS.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

Not just a name change. She won the medal as a male and then lauds it in the front cover of a sports magazine as a female seems a little disingenuous.


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 Buttery Commissar wrote:

Exam results? Driving license?

The name and sex has to be changed on a driver's license before it is legal to use. See?

All I'm seeing is you deliberately missing my point: She still knows how to drive. She doesn't have to take the test again.

This is like saying if a random, non-transgender person changes his/her name to Frank Sinatra, that they would have to take an AIDS test, or re-register their drivers license because it expired 1979. A name is a name. Once a person is born, they cannot change themselves. They can change the way they look sure, but if a male such as myself changes his name to Frank, or Tony, or Lisa, or Megan, it does not mean that all achievements accomplished in the 'previous name' are rendered null and void. (in response to the OP)

I'll put this out there:
Trans people do not all disown their past. It's not like in Hollywood films.
Many do, many more don't.
Some embrace who they were. Some don't.

And nobody else gets to tell them if that's okay.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:

Mdlbuildr wrote:

Crystal-Maze wrote:
She won an olympic medal. She's on the cover of Sport's illustrated. She's the most prominent transgender sportsperson in the world.
Using her old name twice seems really bait-y, poor form.

HE won the gold medal. SHE is now wearing it on the cover of a magazine.

In the record books, the name used for the person who won the medal is Bruce Jenner. I am stating fact. Not being bait-y or whatever.

Are you implying that now the name should be changed in the record books?

So now name changes are the grounds on which someone is disqualified to wear the medals they won?

Not just a name change. She won the medal as a male and then lauds it in the front cover of a sports magazine as a female seems a little disingenuous.

Why? What bearing does her being a woman now have on the fact that she won it fair and square?

That is why I put up the question. To see what others think about it.

I find it disingenuous. You don't want to be known by that name or live that life, but you want to be celebrated for what you were. Doesn't make sense to me. That's all. It's not good or bad. It just IS.

Did Caitlyn say she didn't want people to remember the things she did before she became transgendered?

Why? What bearing does her being a woman now have on the fact that she won it fair and square?

Because...its a sports magazine. If you are going to show women with awards it should be women who competed in womens' events. It takes away from women athletes.

For example: If Dale Earnhart changed his name to Darlene, he still couldn't claim he was the first woman to win blah blah number of races or whatever. That is what we call...fraud.

Two words:
Cheap
Stunt

If it seems "disingenuous", that is due to your expectation of what a transgender person is.
That they must suddenly cut all ties from their previous life, perhaps. That isn't always the case, and it's not up to you or anyone to decide if they will.

If she had won an academic prize, would anyone say that she no longer deserves to be proud of it?

If she had won an academic prize, would anyone say that she no longer deserves to be proud of it?

Not at all, but then she can't get on the cover of Der Geek and claim its a medal in a women's event. She especially can;'t come back 40 years later after having done nothing since, and claim the cover like she did something lately.

Plus this is the Jenner family-pure publicity. The US needs to inter the entire family on a deserted island for harming the USA's collective IQ.

 Frazzled wrote:

Why? What bearing does her being a woman now have on the fact that she won it fair and square?

Because...its a sports magazine. If you are going to show women with awards it should be women who competed in womens' events. It takes away from women athletes.

For example: If Dale Earnhart changed his name to Darlene, he still couldn't claim he was the first woman to win blah blah number of races or whatever. That is what we call...fraud.

Two words:
Cheap
Stunt

This exactly. Thank you!

I have this image of Dale Earnhart in a bikini now. People are wondering why I am crying and shaking uncontrollably. WHAT THE MIND SEES THE MIND CANNOT UNSEE!

 Buttery Commissar wrote:
If it seems "disingenuous", that is due to your expectation of what a transgender person is.
That they must suddenly cut all ties from their previous life, perhaps. That isn't always the case, and it's not up to you or anyone to decide if they will.

If she had won an academic prize, would anyone say that she no longer deserves to be proud of it?

If you want to be known as a woman, how does make sense to say "Look what I did when I was a man!!!!"

As I said, it's not right nor wrong. I'm not looking to defend her or denounce her. I find it very strange, though. That's all. Live and let live. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about it. Especially if it's plastered all over a national magazine.

 Frazzled wrote:

Why? What bearing does her being a woman now have on the fact that she won it fair and square?

Because...its a sports magazine. If you are going to show women with awards it should be women who competed in womens' events. It takes away from women athletes.

For example: If Dale Earnhart changed his name to Darlene, he still couldn't claim he was the first woman to win blah blah number of races or whatever. That is what we call...fraud.

Two words:
Cheap
Stunt

Okay, les get this straight.

Female gets up one morning;
-Huh, I want to do something with my life, I'll go for a jog.
Female comes back from jog;
-Huh, that was nice. I'll do that everyday!
Female continues routine everyday, one day, she feels compelled to do something bigger. Goes competes in a local race; wins.
-Huh, that was nice, I want to do that every year!
Female continues winning races year after year, one day, she feels compelled to do something bigger. Goes and joins the Olympic running team. Spends the next 5 years of her life training. After two Olympic games pass, she decides that she will join the next one; her running team coach allows her. She runs in the Olympics, wins gold and comes back proud.
-Huh, that was nice, but I do not like how I am, I'll change that.
Female changes gender.

Male loses all amounts of pride that the Female (HE) had earned. Has to restart life anew and try doing something else.

Is that what you're trying to say? Just because ones gender and name does not match up with the achievements, that they are not worthy to hold said achievements?