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Title says it all. I know that you can convert drop pods into dread claws but is it possible to take it and put spikes/heretical everywhere and call it chaos?
Also would people at my local games store accept it? No tournaments just casual.

Example:

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If you mean to use the actual drop pod stats then no. It is not a unit chaos space marines have access to in their codex. If you mean to model a normal pod to look chaosy I doubt people would give you flack for using it as a dread claw.

 
   
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 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
If you mean to use the actual drop pod stats then no. It is not a unit chaos space marines have access to in their codex. If you mean to model a normal pod to look chaosy I doubt people would give you flack for using it as a dread claw.


Do most units with deep strike need a drop pod in order to deep strike? If so then are most chaos players forced to go on forgeworld and purchase a dread claw?

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Deep Strike does not require the use of a Drop Pod in order for it to work, So no, Any unit with the USR doesn't need extra gear for it to work.

And, as Tibs said, no one should really care if you're using a plastic droppod and model it more chaosish, so long as your using the rules, and paying the correct cost for the use of a dreadclaw.

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Rules for deep strike are universal the drop pod is a way to tweak the system. No you don't need a drop pod to deep strike. DS Could be a grav chute could be teleported on to battle field or burrowing in. It is a USR to represent a sudden appearance of mans where previously there were no mans. The pod ignores enemies when dealing with mishaps. Some other rules FAQ thread in news and rumors should clarify any questions that the rule book or relevant codex entry leave you with.

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 Daemonhost Cherubael wrote:
 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
If you mean to use the actual drop pod stats then no. It is not a unit chaos space marines have access to in their codex. If you mean to model a normal pod to look chaosy I doubt people would give you flack for using it as a dread claw.


Do most units with deep strike need a drop pod in order to deep strike? If so then are most chaos players forced to go on forgeworld and purchase a dread claw?


Deepstriking units can deepstrike on their own, that's what the rule is for. No matter the lore explanation.
You can still benefit from a drop pod though. They allow you to come in on turn 1 rather than turn 2 and they also come in without relying on a reserve roll (the ones coming in on turn 1 anyway).
Unlike loyalist drop pods though ours lack inertial guidance so mishaps can happen. Unless you use the kharybdis.
And our pods allow the unit to stay inside, which is useful for an assault unit as opposed to being shot at for one turn first.

As for modeling purposes, the anvillus dreadclaw is slightly bigger than a pod but not by much. You can easily get away with converting one.
The kharybdis is substantially larger though and you can't really use a loyalist pod as a "counts as", not to mention all the rocket pods.
   
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Here's a size comparison. The core is literally a drop pod without modifications, but the legs give it a bit more height and width.
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claw vs pod 21

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claw vs pod 2

   
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Check this out
http://ahostofwordbearers.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/ia13-continues-to-inspire.html

I've followed it and made a decent Dreadclaw using a drop pod base.
I get the feeling the OP doesn't know the dreadclaw rules tho. They are in imperial armour 13 from forge world

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 Daemonhost Cherubael wrote:
Also would people at my local games store accept it? No tournaments just casual.


That's a question you need to ask them, not us. Probably also be more clear when you ask, 'cause I, along with others in this thread, aren't sure if you mean that you want to pay 35 points and allow CSM units to have a drop pod, simply do a conversion on a drop pod and pay 100 points for a converted dreadclaw or take vanilla marines rules and use them with CSM models?

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I know this is a little old, but my play group usually lets me run space marine drop pods in my chaos space marine list I have for my crimson slaughter. I just use the rules out of the SM codex for them. Make them a little chaos and go.

This is a game and you need to have fun. If the matches are fun games and people have problems with it then maybe you should look at playing with people that realize this is just a game.

In my group the only one that doesn't want me using them in fun play is the eldar player. He's "that guy" in the group. Playing the OP cheese army the hides in one corner and shoots you before you make it half way across the board. Literally every game I played with him that's what he done. So it's not fun for him or me as I have to get across the board to actually hit him and drop pods would mean his tactic for beating me wouldn't work as well... so I can't do it... So don't play him anymore.

Good luck with your games and the hobby. Don't bother paying the money to get the chaos pods from forge world, they are over costed, take up slots in an army, and aren't really that good at all.

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Again, take this up with the guys you play with.

This would not hold up in a standard tournament, but if your opponents are willing to let you use something from outside of your codex, that's on them.


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Sure you can. ; )

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https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Webstore-Blog/2016/07/25/Using-all-the-Space-Marines

There you have it. Just make "YEAH THiS IS FOR EVERYONE" your battlecry and you are done.


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Note I should really start looting some drop pods

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I would have to ask - why don't CSM have drop pods in the main rulebook anyway? Is it a balance thing (somehow, I doubt it), they have another, non-FW way to deep strike or was the GW staff just slow on adding it to the codex.

Personally, if a CSM player wanted to use marine-stat drop pods for his CSM army, I can't think of any fluff or rule restrictions that make sense besides, "it's not in the codex" - which, for former marines, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Am I missing something?

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Not that I can see.

They were in wide use by the Legions during the Crusade and Heresy, so there's no argument for them being a recent development.

I guess the only thing would be maitainence and/or recovery, but even then there would still be some in use, so perhaps there'd be an argument for making them an FA choice rather than a DT, but no access at all is just impossible to justify IMO.

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There's supposed to be a difference between the two, but it has gotten to the point that even IF you gave CSM Drop Pods it wouldn't matter.

I'm more in favor of keeping Drop Pods for Loyalists and then just making the FW Pods cheaper to use for CSM.

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Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

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I love the people that say if you don't let them use their special snowflake rule breaking exceptions, YOU are that guy. If you think your army sucks play space marines with chaos models. But don't try and just add whatever you want like some fan dex neck beard and then tell others THEY are the ass holes for not letting you change the rules to suit your likes. It's even better when they try and get their friends to shun those who don't want to go along with their cheating. Find some chumps willing to play by your exclusive game changes, fine stick to them. But don't pretend for one second everyone else is the problem.

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 Orock wrote:
I love the people that say if you don't let them use their special snowflake rule breaking exceptions, YOU are that guy. If you think your army sucks play space marines with chaos models. But don't try and just add whatever you want like some fan dex neck beard and then tell others THEY are the ass holes for not letting you change the rules to suit your likes. It's even better when they try and get their friends to shun those who don't want to go along with their cheating. Find some chumps willing to play by your exclusive game changes, fine stick to them. But don't pretend for one second everyone else is the problem.


You seem to be reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Sure you can. ; )

"John Bracken on the GW site wrote:Simply put, this the sensible part of my instincts. When I see a model and something screams out to me ‘yeah this is for everyone’, then I typically just get stuck in and get one, no discussion required.


https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Webstore-Blog/2016/07/25/Using-all-the-Space-Marines

There you have it. Just make "YEAH THiS IS FOR EVERYONE" your battlecry and you are done.


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Note I should really start looting some drop pods


He's not saying he just buys a Space Wolf unit and calls it Blood Angels. He's using the current rules to shoehorn them into his army. Either by taking a small Formation, or playing an Unbound army.

He's not saying you can yell "this is for everyone" and then shove Lootas in your drop pods.

He does however have a very arbitrary sense of where he draws the line for what BA could and couldn't have, that he seems very proud of. I wouldn't take the word of John Bracken over any other weirdo posting on Dakka.

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 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Again, take this up with the guys you play with.

This would not hold up in a standard tournament, but if your opponents are willing to let you use something from outside of your codex, that's on them.


What?

As long as the size and WYSIWYG match I have yet to see a tourney turn down a scratch built anything....

 
   
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oh lord I see I got some replies on here since that article came out. Oh man the butt hurt one really made my day thanks.

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oh lord I see I got some replies on here since that article came out. Oh man the butt hurt one really made my day thanks.


Lulz, it made mine, too.
   
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 sfshilo wrote:
 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Again, take this up with the guys you play with.

This would not hold up in a standard tournament, but if your opponents are willing to let you use something from outside of your codex, that's on them.


What? As long as the size and WYSIWYG match I have yet to see a tourney turn down a scratch built anything....


He's not talking about the model. He's referring to using the loyalist Marine rules for drop pods with a Chaos Marines force.

Now a scratch built Dreadclaw Drop Pod, using Dreadclaw rules is another story.



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 Purifier wrote:
You seem to be reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.


I'm pretty sure he was referring to this post

MitchellTyner wrote:
I know this is a little old, but my play group usually lets me run space marine drop pods in my chaos space marine list I have for my crimson slaughter. I just use the rules out of the SM codex for them. Make them a little chaos and go.

This is a game and you need to have fun. If the matches are fun games and people have problems with it then maybe you should look at playing with people that realize this is just a game.

In my group the only one that doesn't want me using them in fun play is the eldar player. He's "that guy" in the group. Playing the OP cheese army the hides in one corner and shoots you before you make it half way across the board. Literally every game I played with him that's what he done. So it's not fun for him or me as I have to get across the board to actually hit him and drop pods would mean his tactic for beating me wouldn't work as well... so I can't do it... So don't play him anymore.


In all honesty, I think that CSM and Orks should have something similar to a space marine drop pod in their own codexes, and imagine the only reason we don't is that GW hasn't gotten around to making models for them yet.

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Even in an Unbound army, I wonder how an IoM transport would be able to contain a Chaos unit at all.

Isn't there some rule dictating how enemy units in the same army act toward each other that prevents that?
   
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 Pouncey wrote:
Even in an Unbound army, I wonder how an IoM transport would be able to contain a Chaos unit at all.

Isn't there some rule dictating how enemy units in the same army act toward each other that prevents that?


I edited my original response, as I've literally never played a game against an unbound force. Between Formations and CAD, no one I've ever played with has ever seen the point in fielding an unbound army.

In a friendly game, I can see someone allowing it, but you shouldn't get butt hurt if they don't.

There is another thread right now about playing CSM entirely just using Codex Space Marines instead of Codex CSM, to have legal access to grav, centurions, and drop pods.

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 adamsouza wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was referring to this post

He was referencing the article that he linked. I was responding to that. Not at all sure how you read the conversation.

 
   
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 Purifier wrote:
 adamsouza wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was referring to this post

He was referencing the article that he linked. I was responding to that. Not at all sure how you read the conversation.


I could say the same to you.

Orock didn't link to that article, OldZoggy did. The article writer didn't throw shade at people who didn't allow his exception to the rules, the post I quoted for you did. Since Orock was upset that someone was complaining about people not allowing their exceptions to the rules, I assumed he was refering the post where someone where complaining about someone not allowing their exceptions to the rules, and not the article that didn't.

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 adamsouza wrote:
 Purifier wrote:
 adamsouza wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was referring to this post

He was referencing the article that he linked. I was responding to that. Not at all sure how you read the conversation.


I could say the same to you.

Orock didn't link to that article, OldZoggy did. The article writer didn't throw shade at people who didn't allow his exception to the rules, the post I quoted for you did. Since Orock was upset that someone was complaining about people not allowing their exceptions to the rules, I assumed he was refering the post where someone where complaining about someone not allowing their exceptions to the rules, and not the article that didn't.


I was responding to OldZoggy after the quote of OldZoggy, you plum.

 
   
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He's not saying he just buys a Space Wolf unit and calls it Blood Angels. He's using the current rules to shoehorn them into his army. Either by taking a small Formation, or playing an Unbound army.

He's not saying you can yell "this is for everyone" and then shove Lootas in your drop pods.

He does however have a very arbitrary sense of where he draws the line for what BA could and couldn't have, that he seems very proud of. I wouldn't take the word of John Bracken over any other weirdo posting on Dakka.


As hard as it feels to say this as a CSM/CS player - I have to agree with you. Even though i think, fluff wise of course, that CSM should've access to 'normal' Drop pods, they're not in the Codex or any supplement.

If it were like 'I take Khârn into my Crimson Slaughter Army, even though i can't because of the "no VotLW"-Rule' i'd say it is OK, since it's just the Parent-Codex but taking the seemingly average/good stuff from
dex's that are only fluff wise linked is a tad to far in my opinion.

To be quite honest tho, get the IA 13, get a normal pod and convert it - sure, the Dreadclaw is a FA but also a flyer in hover mode & an assault vehicle rather than a immobilized chunk of metal.

   
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 Purifier wrote:
I was responding to OldZoggy after the quote of OldZoggy, you plum.


 Purifier wrote:
 Orock wrote:
I love the people that say if you don't let them use their special snowflake rule breaking exceptions, YOU are that guy. If you think your army sucks play space marines with chaos models. But don't try and just add whatever you want like some fan dex neck beard and then tell others THEY are the ass holes for not letting you change the rules to suit your likes. It's even better when they try and get their friends to shun those who don't want to go along with their cheating. Find some chumps willing to play by your exclusive game changes, fine stick to them. But don't pretend for one second everyone else is the problem.


You seem to be reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.


If you say so

   
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 adamsouza wrote:
 Purifier wrote:
I was responding to OldZoggy after the quote of OldZoggy, you plum.


 Purifier wrote:
 Orock wrote:
I love the people that say if you don't let them use their special snowflake rule breaking exceptions, YOU are that guy. If you think your army sucks play space marines with chaos models. But don't try and just add whatever you want like some fan dex neck beard and then tell others THEY are the ass holes for not letting you change the rules to suit your likes. It's even better when they try and get their friends to shun those who don't want to go along with their cheating. Find some chumps willing to play by your exclusive game changes, fine stick to them. But don't pretend for one second everyone else is the problem.


You seem to be reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.


If you say so


Well, I had to assume you were talking about the article, because again; he's reading stuff that isn't there in the post you're referencing. He didn't say that person was "THAT GUY" for not letting him play his made up rules. He said he was "THAT GUY" for some kind of gunline strat. Do I agree with that, no. You're not that guy just because you huddle in the corner, but Orock went into a crazed ramble on the assumption that anyone that didn't let him use his "neck beard fan dex" was labeled "that guy." So again;

You seem to be reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.

 
   
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 adamsouza wrote:
 Pouncey wrote:
Even in an Unbound army, I wonder how an IoM transport would be able to contain a Chaos unit at all.

Isn't there some rule dictating how enemy units in the same army act toward each other that prevents that?


I edited my original response, as I've literally never played a game against an unbound force. Between Formations and CAD, no one I've ever played with has ever seen the point in fielding an unbound army.

In a friendly game, I can see someone allowing it, but you shouldn't get butt hurt if they don't.

There is another thread right now about playing CSM entirely just using Codex Space Marines instead of Codex CSM, to have legal access to grav, centurions, and drop pods.


I've actually been considering using Unbound to play a low-points game with IG, SoB and vanilla SM in the same army. The idea is to have a fairly diverse IoM force, but because SoB and Space Marines are fairly rare compared to IG, fielding similar amounts of all three seems weird, so I was planning on going with the bulk of the army being Imperial Guard, with like 10 Sisters of Battle and 5 Space Marines. To reinforce the SoB and Space Marines being high-powered forces I wouldn't go for Battle Sisters and Tactical Marines, instead I'd use some of their elite units like Celestians and Sternguard. Admittedly, the primary purpose of Unbound is making niche fluffy stuff possible that wouldn't ordinarily be, and most gamers prefer to build their lists for power, so you'd almost always be better off going with a more standard build. In this case I'd want to use numbers of models from two other Codexes too small to make even a minimum-sized army possible, so it wouldn't be compatible with a standard Force Org chart.
   
 
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