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**the_scotsman**

Traditio wrote:
NG77 wrote:
@NorseSig while I can see the frustration with those players, please don't tar us all with the same brush! I've had eldar for years and I own one wraithknight and no scatter bikes. The Wraithknight has been used once, as I just wanted to make the model more than stomp face every game. I've had some really fun, even games even with CSM because I play fluffy and fun lists.

You can't tell me that a guardian battlehost with melee aspect shrines and an Avatar of khaine is OP!

It is all about the players, not the army. I'd wholeheartedly support you not playing those guys again, they seem like the WAAC types. But don't let them ruin it for the rest of us!

I have yet to play against, or even see, a list even remotely like this.

Weren't you JUST complaining that everyone only views the marine codex as a couple OP minmaxed cheese builds?

Because there is a LOT of stuff in the Eldar codex that isn't D-weaponry, spiders and scatbikes... like, the same or more units than are in the Space Marine codex.

**Lord Corellia**

Traditio wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
BA can counter this approach a few ways, so I know for sure that vanilla marines can.

Note that all these weapons bounce off chapter master smashfether.

For what it's worth:

I wish to point out that all of the responses to my assertion that IG has OP builds is:

"You can beat it if you run a cheesy army. Why aren't you spamming more cheese?"

If I have to spam cheese to beat it, it's cheese and OP.

That's a truism.

So Drop Pods packing melta guns are cheesy now?
Hugging cover is cheesy?
Not packing your Marines together like sardines in a tin is cheesy?

feth me, I've been a cheesy git this whole time and never knew!

**Martel732**

BA being BA isn't cheesy.

**gungo**

Gamgee wrote:
ITC did nerf Eldar.

completely false
All the itc did was nerd the 6 result on the str d table for all armies not just elder.

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Frozocrone wrote:
Traditio wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
ITC did nerf Eldar.

How?

Warp Spiders flickerjump was nerfed to once per shooting phase as opposed to whenever it's targeted.

according to gw that's how it should have always been played. It stated several times a flicker jump was a warpjump and a warpjump is limited to onc per turn.

**master of ordinance**

Lord Corellia wrote:
Traditio wrote:
Martel732 wrote:
BA can counter this approach a few ways, so I know for sure that vanilla marines can.

Note that all these weapons bounce off chapter master smashfether.

For what it's worth:

I wish to point out that all of the responses to my assertion that IG has OP builds is:

"You can beat it if you run a cheesy army. Why aren't you spamming more cheese?"

If I have to spam cheese to beat it, it's cheese and OP.

That's a truism.

So Drop Pods packing melta guns are cheesy now?
Hugging cover is cheesy?
Not packing your Marines together like sardines in a tin is cheesy?

feth me, I've been a cheesy git this whole time and never knew!

Drop pods with Melta is not cheesy. Cheesy is triple Vindicator plus Libby conclave with invisibility, or free transports, or other such shenanigans.

**Lord Corellia**

master of ordinance wrote:
Lord Corellia wrote:

So Drop Pods packing melta guns are cheesy now?
Hugging cover is cheesy?
Not packing your Marines together like sardines in a tin is cheesy?

feth me, I've been a cheesy git this whole time and never knew!

Drop pods with Melta is not cheesy. Cheesy is triple Vindicator plus Libby conclave with invisibility, or free transports, or other such shenanigans.

I know, but the assertion he was making is that large blast weapons with long range are overpowered and cheesy. Because Space Marines can't find a way to get to them. Or can't hammer back with their own artillery. And every large blast will kill a BAJILLION Marines. Because spacing them out isn't a thing.

**master of ordinance**

Lord Corellia wrote:
master of ordinance wrote:
Lord Corellia wrote:

So Drop Pods packing melta guns are cheesy now?
Hugging cover is cheesy?
Not packing your Marines together like sardines in a tin is cheesy?

feth me, I've been a cheesy git this whole time and never knew!

Drop pods with Melta is not cheesy. Cheesy is triple Vindicator plus Libby conclave with invisibility, or free transports, or other such shenanigans.

I know, but the assertion he was making is that large blast weapons with long range are overpowered and cheesy. Because Space Marines can't find a way to get to them. Or can't hammer back with their own artillery. And every large blast will kill a BAJILLION Marines. Because spacing them out isn't a thing.

Ahh sorry, I misread. Yeah, tradito plays a very weak army and seems to think that just because he has Marines that should automatically make him better than everyone else.