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**AlmightyWalrus**

Well, better stop trying to fix anything until we've achieved world peace. After all, there's no point in focussing on the small issues, right?

**Asterios**

well here is a group I can get behind:

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**skyth**

redleger wrote:
when I patrol a foreign neighbor hood and I am weary of locals as they watch us move. Doesn't make me racist, makes me a realist. lets pin the rose where it belongs and maybe quit throwing the R word around just because something bad happens.

That's part of the problem right there. The police are outsiders and the neighborhoods they patrol are 'foreign' to them. That creates fear and hostility (on both sides).

**LordofHats**

skyth wrote:
redleger wrote:
when I patrol a foreign neighbor hood and I am weary of locals as they watch us move. Doesn't make me racist, makes me a realist. lets pin the rose where it belongs and maybe quit throwing the R word around just because something bad happens.

That's part of the problem right there. The police are outsiders and the neighborhoods they patrol are 'foreign' to them. That creates fear and hostility (on both sides).

On the bright side, it makes for great Television

Because this is America, and that's what really matters

**redleger**

skyth wrote:
redleger wrote:
when I patrol a foreign neighbor hood and I am weary of locals as they watch us move. Doesn't make me racist, makes me a realist. lets pin the rose where it belongs and maybe quit throwing the R word around just because something bad happens.

That's part of the problem right there. The police are outsiders and the neighborhoods they patrol are 'foreign' to them. That creates fear and hostility (on both sides).

I can get behind that statement 100%. It may be part of the problem, but it should not be confused with racism.

**Frazzled**

Asterios wrote:
well here is a group I can get behind:

I want this shirt. Ghost TBone tells me cat lovers should be added to that list.

**Easy E**

Protest in St. Paul MN on Saturday night.

http://www.kare11.com/news/102-arrested-21-officers-injured-in-94-shutdown/268434384

ST. PAUL, Minn. - More than 100 people were arrested and 21 officers were injured after protesters brought I-94 to a screeching halt for more than five hours Saturday night.

Authorities say during the course of the protests on 94 and later, on Grand and Dale, 21 officers from multiple agencies suffered injuries. The injuries were primarily caused by fireworks, rocks, bricks, glass bottles and chunks of concrete that were directed at officers, some hitting them in the head. St. Paul Police said someone threw a Molotov cocktail at officers, as well.

On Sunday evening, St. Paul Police learned one of the officers injured last night had a large concrete block dropped on his head. That officer is now suffering from a spinal fracture.

In total, more than 100 people were arrested -- 52 were taken into custody for public nuisance and unlawful assembly during an incident around 4 a.m. at Grand and Dale in St. Paul and 50 were arrested for third-degree riot overnight on I-94. At least eight of the 50 people arrested by the State Patrol were from outside of Minnesota.

Police in riot gear warned the crowd several times that arrests would be made if they didn't clear the scene, and after tactics like inert smoke, tear gas and marking rounds failed to disperse the crowd, arrests began.

Those arrested were loaded onto buses and removed from the scene.

Interstate 94 was finally reopened around 1:49 a.m., after authorities removed debris from the highway.

“On behalf of myself and our entire family, we urge all people to remain peaceful in all demonstrations throughout our community and our nation. When demonstrations become violent, it disrespects my son and his memory. Philando was a man of peace and dignity. Please, I ask you to at all times remain peaceful in your expressions of concern regarding his death at the hands of the police. I promise that we will not rest until justice prevails,” said Valerie Castile, mother of Philando Castile, in a statement Sunday.

The crowd moved from the freeway back to the governor's mansion where more disruption occurred. A few tried to get back on I-94 but were stopped by police. Several protesters then laid down in the street near Grand and Dale around 2:39 a.m., refusing police commands to clear the area.

Arrests began around 3:01 a.m., with authorities taking protesters one by one.

The shutdown started much earlier in the evening, when the crowd began marching from the Governor's residence in St. Paul around 7 p.m., where protesters have been gathered for the past three days. The Minnesota State Patrol tried, unsuccessfully, to stop them from entering the freeway around 7:30 p.m.

Initially protesters blocked eastbound traffic near Lexington Parkway, but they then crossed the median barrier to block vehicles in both directions. Officers gave more than a dozen orders for the crowd to disperse before they moved in to make arrests just before 10 p.m.

The family of Castile spoke out against the violence.

**agnosto**

redleger wrote:
I am seeing a lot of numbers being thrown around, and once again, I am no genius but seems like although there seems to be a problem it is not as proportional or huge as many are making it out to be. I mean lots of white dudes get shot, percentage wise looks bad, but there is no geographical data to back this up with.

I am no dismissing any tragedy, I just think maybe, just maybe there is a bit of inflation going on here.

Bingo. According to the FBI:

Police made an estimated 11,205,833 arrests during 2014—498,666 for violent crimes, and 1,553,980 for property crimes.

Applying that 2014 number to the 2015 death by police officer number of 990 (I'm too lazy to dig up the 2014 database), there was a .00835% chance per arrest of a police officer killing a suspect. There is no data that encapsulates traffic stops or other interactions but adding these in would make that chance even less likely.

Let's put it another way. In 2014 there were 627,949 law officers in the US. There were 990 deaths caused by those officers which means that .158% of the police officers in the US killed someone.

It's all well and good to look at demographics and claim the world is painting people with the same brush but the opposite is also true. The chance of a cop killing the average person is statistically minuscule and the number of cops who kills someone is a lower percent of the population of cops than the percent of murderers in any other demographic you choose.

Yes, every life is precious, I truly believe this; however, there's an issue with media-fed bandwagoning that makes matters look much worse than they actually are. There is nothing wrong and something entirely wholesome about having community discussions on use of force and other issues but if the media and community applied their expectation of police perfection to the greater community, we'd have marches every day against one group of people or another.

**OgreChubbs**

redleger wrote:
skyth wrote:
redleger wrote:
when I patrol a foreign neighbor hood and I am weary of locals as they watch us move. Doesn't make me racist, makes me a realist. lets pin the rose where it belongs and maybe quit throwing the R word around just because something bad happens.

That's part of the problem right there. The police are outsiders and the neighborhoods they patrol are 'foreign' to them. That creates fear and hostility (on both sides).

I can get behind that statement 100%. It may be part of the problem, but it should not be confused with racism.

That is how crime lords and bad cops are made, people always saying cops use to be so friendly ect then you remember the cops use to be the mafia and hired mafia to keep the streets cleaner. Cops getting friendly with drug dealers does not make things better, just them ignoring them and needing to be paid off for their mouth to keep shut.

**AlmightyWalrus**

I don't know whether to laugh or be horrified at the idea that you'd bunch "people who hate America" in with rapists, murderers, and child molesters as though there weren't anyone with legitimate reasons for hating America. It's jingoism at its worst and it's unanimously being applauded in this thread.

**redleger**

well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

**AlmightyWalrus**

redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

**MrDwhitey**

Ignore

**redleger**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

you was a general term not "you" as in almightywalrus but you, the people who would hate america.

**AlmightyWalrus**

redleger wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

you was a general term not "you" as in almightywalrus but you, the people who would hate america.

Fair enough.

**OgreChubbs**

redleger wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

you was a general term not "you" as in almightywalrus but you, the people who would hate america.

sadly most of the world hates america for their unrest gun issues and general we know how to do everything better behavior. Not to mention the 12 year war that just spawned a new serpent head that all of us got roped into.

**Prestor Jon**

OgreChubbs wrote:
redleger wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

you was a general term not "you" as in almightywalrus but you, the people who would hate america.
sadly most of the world hates america for their unrest gun issues and general we know how to do everything better behavior. Not to mention the 12 year war that just spawned a new serpent head that all of us got roped into.

It's just plain silly and a counterproductive waste of energy for a person to "hate" any country. The US has over 300 million citizens and pretty much all of us won't even know of the existence of a person who "hates" us, so we're not going to care. Holding a grudge against hundreds of millions of strangers because of some governmental policy or law that you don't agree with doesn't make sense to me. That's the kind of thinking that leads to people believing that murdering thousands of people who work in office buildings in NYC is justifiable because of governmental foreign policy decisions that they had no input on and date back to historical events that occurred before they were alive.

**redleger**

Ignore, Prestor said it better.

**OgreChubbs**

Prestor Jon wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
redleger wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

you was a general term not "you" as in almightywalrus but you, the people who would hate america.
sadly most of the world hates america for their unrest gun issues and general we know how to do everything better behavior. Not to mention the 12 year war that just spawned a new serpent head that all of us got roped into.

It's just plain silly and a counterproductive waste of energy for a person to "hate" any country. The US has over 300 million citizens and pretty much all of us won't even know of the existence of a person who "hates" us, so we're not going to care. Holding a grudge against hundreds of millions of strangers because of some governmental policy or law that you don't agree with doesn't make sense to me. That's the kind of thinking that leads to people believing that murdering thousands of people who work in office buildings in NYC is justifiable because of governmental foreign policy decisions that they had no input on and date back to historical events that occurred before they were alive.

Which may be true but what the outside world see's effects what people think of the populace in general. So far what the world sees

1: Trump hates muslims mexicans and americans say he hates women and british people. ( so if he gets voted in so do most americans)

2: America tried to westernize many muslim countries and created a void by killin sadam.

3: black people and white people hate each other and murder each other in mass.

4: women do not get paid half of what men do.

5: They agreed to terms that most of the rest of the world hates with the iran deal.

6: putin saying america needs to back off of matters that dont concern them.

7: There will be a weekly mass shooting

8: when going to usa get a medical plan ready or a quick way to get home.

9: everyone has a gun try to bring one with you or you risk being shot.

So true or not thats what people think of and see, hell I forget what country put it out but there is a travel warning for black men going to usa when taliing to police.

**Prestor Jon**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Prestor Jon wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
redleger wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
redleger wrote:
well Im ok with hating people who hate America. I applaud your right to hate us, but doesn't mean I have to think highly of you.

And now you're assuming that I hate America.

you was a general term not "you" as in almightywalrus but you, the people who would hate america.
sadly most of the world hates america for their unrest gun issues and general we know how to do everything better behavior. Not to mention the 12 year war that just spawned a new serpent head that all of us got roped into.

It's just plain silly and a counterproductive waste of energy for a person to "hate" any country. The US has over 300 million citizens and pretty much all of us won't even know of the existence of a person who "hates" us, so we're not going to care. Holding a grudge against hundreds of millions of strangers because of some governmental policy or law that you don't agree with doesn't make sense to me. That's the kind of thinking that leads to people believing that murdering thousands of people who work in office buildings in NYC is justifiable because of governmental foreign policy decisions that they had no input on and date back to historical events that occurred before they were alive.
Which may be true but what the outside world see's effects what people think of the populace in general. So far what the world sees

1: Trump hates muslims mexicans and americans say he hates women and british people. ( so if he gets voted in so do most americans)

2: America tried to westernize many muslim countries and created a void by killin sadam.

3: black people and white people hate each other and murder each other in mass.

4: women do not get paid half of what men do.

5: They agreed to terms that most of the rest of the world hates with the iran deal.

6: putin saying america needs to back off of matters that dont concern them.

7: There will be a weekly mass shooting

8: when going to usa get a medical plan ready or a quick way to get home.

9: everyone has a gun try to bring one with you or you risk being shot.

So true or not thats what people think of and see, hell I forget what country put it out but there is a travel warning for black men going to usa when taliing to police.

So you're saying that you "hate" the USA and by extension all of us who live here because of stuff you see on tv or the internet? Pretty much everythiing you listed is just hyperbolic nonsense. Hate whatever you want as much as you want, it just negatively impacts your own mental and emotional well being while having a neglible impact on anything else.

**Frazzled**

Oh well the thread made it to 8 pages before becoming a bash America thread.

**d-usa**

Time for a fatal thread shooting to lock it up?

**Silent Puffin?**

Frazzled wrote:
Oh well the thread made it to 8 pages before becoming a bash America thread.

Ironically the 'American bashing' was started by an American

**Frazzled**

They say the Canadians are the most polite until they sneak up behind you and drop a moose on you.

**agnosto**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Which may be true but what the outside world see's effects what people think of the populace in general. So far what the world sees

1: Trump hates muslims mexicans and americans say he hates women and british people. ( so if he gets voted in so do most americans)

2: America tried to westernize many muslim countries and created a void by killin sadam.

3: black people and white people hate each other and murder each other in mass.

4: women do not get paid half of what men do.

5: They agreed to terms that most of the rest of the world hates with the iran deal.

6: putin saying america needs to back off of matters that dont concern them.

7: There will be a weekly mass shooting

8: when going to usa get a medical plan ready or a quick way to get home.

9: everyone has a gun try to bring one with you or you risk being shot.

So true or not thats what people think of and see, hell I forget what country put it out but there is a travel warning for black men going to usa when taliing to police.

All that makes as much sense as the asinine stuff that Trump says; painting entire countries and peoples with the same paranoid histrionic brush or basing a person's perceptions of a country off of satirical movies and magazines. That doesn't say much for a person willing to do such things' ability to separate reality from fantasy and I'd almost say that such a person should receive medical attention.

It would be just as easy to say the following:
1. All leaders of Canada are Rob Ford.
2. Going to a cafe in Paris means you'll be shot and/or blown up by an Islamic extremist.
3. Germany is host to a live, viable Nazi party ala Adolph Hitler.
4. Russians are vodka-swilling imperialists that care nothing for national borders or treaties.
5. Going to a Soccer match in England will get you brained by a drunken club member.
6. Bulls roam the streets of Spain and kill people willy-nilly.

Etc.

**Easy E**

agnosto wrote:

All that makes as much sense as the asinine stuff that Trump says; painting entire countries and peoples with the same paranoid histrionic brush or basing a person's perceptions of a country off of satirical movies and magazines. That doesn't say much for a person willing to do such things' ability to separate reality from fantasy and I'd almost say that such a person should receive medical attention.

It would be just as easy to say the following:
1. All leaders of Canada are Rob Ford.
2. Going to a cafe in Paris means you'll be shot and/or blown up by an Islamic extremist.
3. Germany is host to a live, viable Nazi party ala Adolph Hitler.
4. Russians are vodka-swilling imperialists that care nothing for national borders or treaties.
5. Going to a Soccer match in England will get you brained by a drunken club member.
6. Bulls roam the streets of Spain and kill people willy-nilly.

Etc.

None of this is true!

Don't even start talking about the Easter Bunny or Christmas!

**Frazzled**

1. All leaders of Canada are Rob Ford.
-They wish. That guy was epic.

2. Going to a cafe in Paris means you'll be shot and/or blown up by an Islamic extremist.
-Don't worry thats almost better than the service.

3. Germany is host to a live, viable Nazi party ala Adolph Hitler.
-Springtime, for Hitler, and Germany!

4. Russians are vodka-swilling imperialists that care nothing for national borders or treaties.
-Wait, thats not accurate?

5. Going to a Soccer match in England will get you brained by a drunken club member.
-Wait thats not accurate?

6. Bulls roam the streets of Spain and kill people willy-nilly.
Not Spain, Hockley Texas*.

*True story. Gets bike. Goes outside. Stares at cow standing on his front lawn. Goes back inside and takes a nap.

**OgreChubbs**

Lol read above to see why people have bad opnions of usa. You become ignorant and rude when told you are doing something wrong. i am moving on and as soon as you can understand, seeing what is wrong and being told about it is not hate it is fixing mistakes.

So say anying rude you want but what the world thinks is getting worse with the news, and as I type this three more shot to death at a courthouse

**Frazzled**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Lol read above to see why people have bad opnions of usa. You become ignorant and rude when told you are doing something wrong. i am moving on and as soon as you can understand, seeing what is wrong and being told about it is not hate it is fixing mistakes.

So say anying rude you want but what the world thinks is getting worse with the news, and as I type this three more shot to death at a courthouse

Its in no way on topic but why not:
1: Trump hates muslims mexicans and americans say he hates women and british people. ( so if he gets voted in so do most americans)
***He loves all people. When President he will love them all more than any other President ever.

2: America tried to westernize many muslim countries and created a void by killin sadam.
***Just Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraw you're right-not so hot. Afghanistan should have been radioactive so its an improvement.

3: black people and white people hate each other and murder each other in mass.
***I missed walking over and murdering my next door neighbor and John across the street. Thanks I'll get on that.

4: women do not get paid half of what men do.
***Grammatically are you saying women get paid less? You betcha. Now if controlled for dangerous occupations and action time on the job its much closer, but the last stuides I saw did have a discrepancy. A lot like Canada.

5: They agreed to terms that most of the rest of the world hates with the iran deal.
***There were multiple states that participated. Would you prefer war?

6: putin saying america needs to back off of matters that dont concern them.
***You mean the guy who invaded Georgia, Crimea and now the larger Ukraine?

7: There will be a weekly mass shooting
***Daily you bunch of wussies.

8: when going to usa get a medical plan ready or a quick way to get home.
***Don't come here. You push out a hardworking Asian or Latin American coming here to work hard.

9: everyone has a gun try to bring one with you or you risk being shot.
***What do you mean "a" gun?

**LordofHats**

OgreChubbs wrote:
You become ignorant and rude when told you are doing something wrong.

While I do often find this to be the case, might I suggest your script needs improvement? It's definitely got all the action and thrills of a summer blockbuster, but Hollywood usually likes a bit of authenticity in its fictions.