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 Future War Cultist wrote:


This reminds me of an article in the Spectator criticizing this punk magazine for posting another article telling its readers how they can cope with the emotional trauma of Brexit. Brexit is the most punk thing to happen in years. It's a brick through the window of the establishment.

Ah! Yes! Hammering a safety pin through your own nose!

I KNEW Brexiit reminded me of something...

John Lydon is *mostly* just saying whatever will get most attention to sell his book. Controversy has worked pretty well for him for 40 years, after all.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
John Lydon is *mostly* just saying whatever will get most attention to sell his book. Controversy has worked pretty well for him for 40 years, after all.

To quite a few people it helps alot. It tends to be a good way to generate publicity's.

 reds8n wrote:
....https://twitter.com/LBC/status/846435179321344000

.@Nigel_Farage: 'If Brexit is a disaster I'll go and live abroad - but it's not going to be'

*looks at first quote in own sig*

.. la plus ca change.

What an absolute grade A ct.

Farage very fortunately has a German wife, so he can always go and live over there if the gak hits the fan in the UK.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Farage very fortunately has a German wife, so he can always go and live over there if the gak hits the fan in the UK.

TBF, he's actually only saying what some of us are preparing to do anyway. I live in the East Midlands, and it is likely that Westminster is going to end up screwing us into the ground, hard. It's predominantly agricultural, and we can't even persuade government to invest in anything but the most derisory infrastructure improvements.

Fortunately I have skills, and a degree, and more importantly I can get Irish citizenship for me and my family, so we have an out. If Brexit starts fething the country over, we can sell up and start fresh somewhere else.

 r_squared wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Farage very fortunately has a German wife, so he can always go and live over there if the gak hits the fan in the UK.

TBF, he's actually only saying what some of us are preparing to do anyway. I live in the East Midlands, and it is likely that Westminster is going to end up screwing us into the ground, hard. It's predominantly agricultural, and we can't even persuade government to invest in anything but the most derisory infrastructure improvements.

Fortunately I have skills, and a degree, and more importantly I can get Irish citizenship for me and my family, so we have an out. If Brexit starts fething the country over, we can sell up and start fresh somewhere else.

Yeah, but were you a major political force in driving through the situation that results in said screwing over? Its bloody disgraceful that Farage is basically saying "This is best for the country! But er.. if it isn't I can just jump ship like a rat and swim for another shore. So long, chaps". Sadly not particularly unexpected.

Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

Also, I doubt he would go to Germany when he has been courting Trump so hard. I think he is lining up some nice cushy circuit in the US to keep his pockets lined.

 Haighus wrote:
Also, I doubt he would go to Germany when he has been courting Trump so hard. I think he is lining up some nice cushy circuit in the US to keep his pockets lined.

He'll probably only be welcome there as long as Trump is running the show, and if that starts going down the pan too, he'll be fresh out of friends and places to go.

Besides, I think he's vaguely alluding to the fact that the longer he stays in Britain, the higher the chances are that someone is going to kick him in his foetid ball sack. I know that given the opportunity, I wouldn't mind making his eyes water, the

 reds8n wrote:

err ... what ?

Think most people could figure the car one out no ?

Or if they didn't they could, say, read about it in a newspaper or that papers' website maybe ?

One could even say that if you were really shocked by this information it might be a bad idea to let people know this information is out there ..?

If someone needs an online instruction book to figure out how to kill people with a car... I think there probably more of a danger to themselves then anybody else

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Farage very fortunately has a German wife, so he can always go and live over there if the gak hits the fan in the UK.

Didn't he already get into trouble for lying about being a German resident in his application papers for residency? Using his wifes cousins address or something.

Bear in mind disaster for his is very different to a disaster for us.

John Lydon? God Father of Punk?

Think you'll find he was just another Malcolm McLaren stooge in a manufactured group.

First recognisably UK Punk Single? New Rose. The Damned.

Though I do laugh when people claim Brexit is a victory against the Establishment.....did you not see who was backing it and funding it? Ex-Pat multimillionaire media magnates. Nigel 'privately educated stock broker' Farage. NUMEROUS CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS, WHO PROMPTLY DID THEIR BEST TO STAB EACH OTHER IN THE BACK.

This is what worries me about Brexit. Not the possibly repercussion, but the blatantly revisionist nonsense already happening. The majority of Leave's promises lie broken and denied. Yet we're told it's all OK. 'Oh, nobody is wanting a Hard Brexit'.....HARD BREXIT AHOY!

And the swivel eyed leavers want people who voted remain to be branded traitors? Seriously?

Yeah. Brexit is not going to significantly reduce immigration because half the economy depends on it. So that's one major thing that Leave voters are not getting, that most wanted.

And it's not going to significantly reduce the tyranny of EU rule for ordinary people because that didn't really exist. It will make big businesses, especially multinationals, a bit more profit because most of those pesky EU rules about things like safe food will no longer be a worry.

So -- it's a big win for US businesses who will find it easier to trade with Britain.

It's a big win for back-slapping nationalists who have convinced themselves that we can now finally free ourselves of the shackles of peace and prosperity, that for all these years stopped us from serving beer in pints or measuring distances in miles as is our God-given right as free Englishmen.

It's a big win for the old, also engaged in self-delusion, who are convinced that leaving the EU will magically turn back the clock to the 1950s, getting rid of feminism, gay marriage, racial equality, rebellious teenagers and the Beatles in one fell swoop.

It's a big lose for all my EU colleagues and friends who are suffering an increase in racist abuse and attacks, alongside the real risk of midnight deportations. But it's worth it for all the bendy bananas, right?

It's a big lose for most farmers, fishermen, and lots of other Leave-supporting communities, most of whom will see no particular benefit from this and will suffer significant financial losses instead.

It's a big lose for the young, who often identified as more European than British, and who will lose overnight the right to live and work anywhere in the EU.

Still. Beer in pints! Eh!

Question Time last night was an utter car crash of a show.

On the eve of the Scottish parliament voting to back another independence referendum, the defenders of Union see fit to wheel out...Melanie Phillips and Suzanne Evans to stand up for the UK!

And then the Daily Mail runs a piece about Nicola Sturgeon's legs!

Are they serious about defending the UK? Making the case for Scotland to stay?

It's a mad, mad, world...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

First David Cameron abandoned ship, then Farage. Country is going to the dogs...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question Time last night was an utter car crash of a show.

On the eve of the Scottish parliament voting to back another independence referendum, the defenders of Union see fit to wheel out...Melanie Phillips and Suzanne Evans to stand up for the UK!

And then the Daily Mail runs a piece about Nicola Sturgeon's legs!

Are they serious about defending the UK? Making the case for Scotland to stay?

It's a mad, mad, world...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

First David Cameron abandoned ship, then Farage. Country is going to the dogs...

Sturgeons legs are the only reason I vote SNP,

Just a note I hate the SNP, hard brexit ahoy it's going to be wonderful.

Edit. Wonderful in the poorest sense. I.e bad

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question Time last night was an utter car crash of a show.

On the eve of the Scottish parliament voting to back another independence referendum, the defenders of Union see fit to wheel out...Melanie Phillips and Suzanne Evans to stand up for the UK!

And then the Daily Mail runs a piece about Nicola Sturgeon's legs!

Are they serious about defending the UK? Making the case for Scotland to stay?

It's a mad, mad, world...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

First David Cameron abandoned ship, then Farage. Country is going to the dogs...

We only have ourselves to blame for the current state of UK politics. Brexit is the only thing that has made people get beyond tut tutting the latest shambolic offerings from Westminster's finest.

We have a long haul if we expect politics to be any different within the next 5-10 years.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
John Lydon? God Father of Punk?

Think you'll find he was just another Malcolm McLaren stooge in a manufactured group.

So, a bunch of slightly naïve folks, who want to rebel against something, are exploited by some very dodgy geezers in The Great Brexit Swindle.

Yup. Brexit is the most punk thing to happen to British politics in ages. And in true punk tradition, the band is likely to split up acrimoniously, to either pursue solo careers or join a folk band with one of the old band members who left ages ago...

Don't forget that BoJo tried to slink off....until May yanked his leash.

 Graphite wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
John Lydon? God Father of Punk?

Think you'll find he was just another Malcolm McLaren stooge in a manufactured group.

So, a bunch of slightly naïve folks, who want to rebel against something, are exploited by some very dodgy geezers in The Great Brexit Swindle.

Yup. Brexit is the most punk thing to happen to British politics in ages. And in true punk tradition, the band is likely to split up acrimoniously, to either pursue solo careers or join a folk band with one of the old band members who left ages ago...

On the plus side, the films and any documentary made on the subject is likely to be first class.

Sid and Nancy, the Gary Oldman classic, is a damn good film and of course, the great rock and roll swindle is also good filmmaking.


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 Mr. Burning wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question Time last night was an utter car crash of a show.

On the eve of the Scottish parliament voting to back another independence referendum, the defenders of Union see fit to wheel out...Melanie Phillips and Suzanne Evans to stand up for the UK!

And then the Daily Mail runs a piece about Nicola Sturgeon's legs!

Are they serious about defending the UK? Making the case for Scotland to stay?

It's a mad, mad, world...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

First David Cameron abandoned ship, then Farage. Country is going to the dogs...

We only have ourselves to blame for the current state of UK politics. Brexit is the only thing that has made people get beyond tut tutting the latest shambolic offerings from Westminster's finest.

We have a long haul if we expect politics to be any different within the next 5-10 years.

If it goes wrong, the only long haul will be the long haul flights made by Farage and Bojo to escape the country

The Pistols were far from the be all and end all of Punk.

Dozens of far, far better bands out there, covering all parts of the political spectrum (though naturally one doesn't partake of the far right punk stuff. That stuff is scary).

Seems May is finally backing away from the nonsensical 'no deal is better than a bad deal' rhertoric on account it's clearly nonsense.

I'm expecting an outpouring of Daily Express rage any moment.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Seems May is finally backing away from the nonsensical 'no deal is better than

It was clearly spun out as a negotiating tactic as opposed to a serious proposal. One which might have been effective until Davis ruined it on a tv debate. Slip of the tongue on his part there. Slight red face and a awkward conversation with Mrs May subsequently I should imagine.

I don't see it ever being effective in this context. The EU's negotiating team aren't used car salespeople.

"We'll walk away if we don't get a deal we like" is always an option, but it's not a realistic one in this context.

 Ketara wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:


Seems May is finally backing away from the nonsensical 'no deal is better than

It was clearly spun out as a negotiating tactic as opposed to a serious proposal. One which might have been effective until Davis ruined it on a tv debate. Slip of the tongue on his part there. Slight red face and a awkward conversation with Mrs May subsequently I should imagine.

It was a stupid tactic. One that would only lead to 'well, cheerio bye tata, enjoy your collapsing economy'.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question Time last night was an utter car crash of a show.

On the eve of the Scottish parliament voting to back another independence referendum, the defenders of Union see fit to wheel out...Melanie Phillips and Suzanne Evans to stand up for the UK!

And then the Daily Mail runs a piece about Nicola Sturgeon's legs!

Are they serious about defending the UK? Making the case for Scotland to stay?

It's a mad, mad, world...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

First David Cameron abandoned ship, then Farage. Country is going to the dogs...

Mate, the country has been going to the dogs for the last 3 decades, are you seriously only must now know noticing?

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Question Time last night was an utter car crash of a show.

On the eve of the Scottish parliament voting to back another independence referendum, the defenders of Union see fit to wheel out...Melanie Phillips and Suzanne Evans to stand up for the UK!

And then the Daily Mail runs a piece about Nicola Sturgeon's legs!

Are they serious about defending the UK? Making the case for Scotland to stay?

It's a mad, mad, world...


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 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Its cowardice, pure and simple. He should not have stood down as leader of UKIP, he certainly should not be emigrating.

First David Cameron abandoned ship, then Farage. Country is going to the dogs...

Mate, the country has been going to the dogs for the last 3 decades, are you seriously only must now know noticing?

Which dogs, though? I'm surprised the Daily Mail hasn't called for a boycott of German shepherds .

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
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Mate, the country has been going to the dogs for the last 3 decades, are you seriously only must now know noticing?

The 80's were that good?

Everyone always believes their country is getting worse. Well documented phenomena. Truth is that people just don't like change. Some things get better, some things get worse, and which is which usually depends on the person looking at it. In thirty years time, everyone will be screaming about the corruption in our elected second chamber, our tearing up a trade agreement with America, our third invasion of Afghanistan, or whatever. Brexit will have long ceased to be something anyone cares about.

 Ketara wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
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Mate, the country has been going to the dogs for the last 3 decades, are you seriously only must now know noticing?

The 80's were that good?

Everyone always believes their country is getting worse. Well documented phenomena. Truth is that people just don't like change. Some things get better, some things get worse, and which is which usually depends on the person looking at it. In thirty years time, everyone will be screaming about the corruption in our elected second chamber, our tearing up a trade agreement with America, our third invasion of Afghanistan, or whatever. Brexit will have long ceased to be something anyone cares about.

It's not a question of resisting change. It's a question of people refusing to accept cold, hard facts.

And the facts are these:

NHS going down the pan

1 in 6 British roads badly damaged by potholes

The failure of privatization in rail and utilities

Prisoners running the prisons.

Gangs of marauding criminals roaming the streets with impunity.

Education going up the spout.

Corrupt politicians (Fox) and incompetent buffoons (Bojo) running the country.

I could go on all night with this...

The past wasn't perfect, but there's definitely been a steep decline in my lifetime...

 Ketara wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
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Mate, the country has been going to the dogs for the last 3 decades, are you seriously only must now know noticing?

The 80's were that good?

Everyone always believes their country is getting worse. Well documented phenomena. Truth is that people just don't like change. Some things get better, some things get worse, and which is which usually depends on the person looking at it. In thirty years time, everyone will be screaming about the corruption in our elected second chamber, our tearing up a trade agreement with America, our third invasion of Afghanistan, or whatever. Brexit will have long ceased to be something anyone cares about.

That's surely an assumption. UKIP was 'started' in 1991 which is near enough 30 years, and it has taken that long to persuade (aka lie) to the populace to persuade enough that leaving is a good idea rather than some form of bizarre ritual suicide of the country. in 30 years time the majority of us here are likely to be the next generation of old farts (or getting that way) and therefore more likely to vote. If enough of the younger generation take forward that 'grudge' into the future (just like UKIP did) then we might just as well be in the same place as we are now. Although hopefully rationality will come sooner to politics than that and ultra right wing conservatism gets flushed down the toilet to the sewers where it (and always has) deserved to belong!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Ketara wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
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Mate, the country has been going to the dogs for the last 3 decades, are you seriously only must now know noticing?

The 80's were that good?

Everyone always believes their country is getting worse. Well documented phenomena. Truth is that people just don't like change. Some things get better, some things get worse, and which is which usually depends on the person looking at it. In thirty years time, everyone will be screaming about the corruption in our elected second chamber, our tearing up a trade agreement with America, our third invasion of Afghanistan, or whatever. Brexit will have long ceased to be something anyone cares about.

It's not a question of resisting change. It's a question of people refusing to accept cold, hard facts.

And the facts are these:

NHS going down the pan

1 in 6 British roads badly damaged by potholes

The failure of privatization in rail and utilities

Prisoners running the prisons.

Gangs of marauding criminals roaming the streets with impunity.

Education going up the spout.

Corrupt politicians (Fox) and incompetent buffoons (Bojo) running the country.

I could go on all night with this...

The past wasn't perfect, but there's definitely been a steep decline in my lifetime...

And in the sixties we had the cuban missile crisis, the emergence of recreational drugs into the mainstream, the Profumo Affair, feminism (which many thought was a bad thing), and so on.

In the seventies, the economy crashed, the Unions went out of control and practically dominated the country, public services fell apart from strikes, and so on.

In the eighties, we had Thatcher, and everything that went with her.

The nineties were full of Tory sleaze for the first half.

Last decade had the Iraq war, the financial crash, and so on.


Seriously, everyone views the past with rose tinted glasses. They're always political f' ups, there's always turmoil in the Middle East, there's always busts and booms, and there's always degradations in international relations with one country or another. Yet somehow, the place keeps on ticking along. There'll be cuts until the budget is balanced and the country makes more, at which point some idiot like Blair will come along and jack up spending for another 'golden decade' which the following two will pay for. There'll be a recession every twenty years, the longer any government is in power the greater the odds of it falling into infighting and corruption, and we'll pick a fight with someone or another every ten years. Sometimes it'll be diplomatic, sometimes it'll be military.

But the clock keeps on ticking and in the 2040's, when we're busy grousing about the new SNP/Liberal government coalition, the great pharmaceutical crash of 2039, and the right wing nut who just got elected President of France and vowed to destroy his political rival who just made EU President? Nobody will remember or care about most of the crap we complain about today. You'll try mentioning Brexit to the freshly adult 18 year olds in 2035, and they'll view it in the same way they do older people spitting venom about Thatcher now; with mild boredom and complete detachment.

Then they'll go back to playing COD LXII on the PS10, and complaining fondly about their intolerant grannies who refuse to use the word 'xie' and keep talking about the good old days of segregated toilets.