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Chaplain Cassius of the Ultramarines is one of the oldest non-BA/dreadnought marines, and he’s pushing 400 years old.

Cassius is no longer that impressive really. Logan Grimnar has been chapter master for over 700 years and Dante is over 1k.

And that's before you start counting Dreadnoughts.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Cassius is no longer that impressive really. Logan Grimnar has been chapter master for over 700 years and Dante is over 1k.

I knew Dante was much older, but the BA are renowned for their longevity. Wasn’t aware that the Wolves were in the same league.

But frankly, not surprised that the wolves break the mold. Just unaware.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
Cassius is no longer that impressive really. Logan Grimnar has been chapter master for over 700 years and Dante is over 1k.

I knew Dante was much older, but the BA are renowned for their longevity. Wasn’t aware that the Wolves were in the same league.

But frankly, not surprised that the wolves break the mold. Just unaware.

I'd hardly call it breaking a mould. There's no set rule that a Space Marine may not live over 500 years or anything.

And the SW thing dates back to at least 2nd edition, so is not any sort of ret-con.

Got my old codex in front of me.

Logan Grimnar is listed as being The Great Wolf from the year 659 41st millennium.

In Ulrik the Slayer’s entry, he is noted as being the oldest SW not in a dread, even older then Grimnar, who has served the Emperor for over 6 centuries.

 Backspacehacker wrote:
the ones that do the best in battle, even if they die, they recruit,

How does that work? How do you recruit a dead guy?

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
the ones that do the best in battle, even if they die, they recruit,

How does that work? How do you recruit a dead guy?

Space Wolves are heretics, so they just use their tainted sorcery to bring the warrior back to life.

 KharnsRightHand wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:
the ones that do the best in battle, even if they die, they recruit,

How does that work? How do you recruit a dead guy?

They're generally not dead literally. It's more they're beyond the ability of a Fenrisian to heal. Being Space Marines they have the technology. It just appears like saving the dead to a Fenrisian.

This is an question.

Did the fluff use to have adult human recruits
as long as they where pure from mutation
and basically heroic elite of humanity?

klaswullt wrote:
This is an question.

Did the fluff use to have adult human recruits
as long as they where pure from mutation
and basically heroic elite of humanity?

In the Great Crusade era, sure. Lorgar and Lion have 2 prominent adult recruits. Luther and Kor Phaeron were the adoptive fathers of those 2 Primarchs and when they ascended to lead their Legions they had their fathers and their respective trusted comrades made into Astartes, or in the case of those too old such as Luther and Kor Phaerom were made into Pseudo-Astartes. They didn't have the same abilities or implants but they had a form of Black Carapace and they had similarly enhanced resilience, lifespan, senses, etc. They were head and shoulders above normal humans and just the teeny tiniest bit less than actual Astartes.

In M41? Never head of any, tech probably doesn't exist anymore either

Hector Rex has arguably had such treatment, or similar or alternative but equal treatments. So the technology one way or another is still about, but it is just rare, and considering fluff wise how dangerous a space marine is, I suppose they don't want to be making people into walking talking monsters unless they are sure they aren't going to regret it in the future, even more so if the person was a powerful psyker.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Hector Rex has arguably had such treatment, or similar or alternative but equal treatments. So the technology one way or another is still about, but it is just rare, and considering fluff wise how dangerous a space marine is, I suppose they don't want to be making people into walking talking monsters unless they are sure they aren't going to regret it in the future, even more so if the person was a powerful psyker.

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it's worth noting the two known cases of it both fell to chaos.

BrianDavion wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Hector Rex has arguably had such treatment, or similar or alternative but equal treatments. So the technology one way or another is still about, but it is just rare, and considering fluff wise how dangerous a space marine is, I suppose they don't want to be making people into walking talking monsters unless they are sure they aren't going to regret it in the future, even more so if the person was a powerful psyker.

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it's worth noting the two known cases of it both fell to chaos.

Hector Rex is an inquisitor lord who seemingly banishes greater deamon lords like they ain't nothing. He is definitely loyal (and puritan)

Also note that there's more than 2 known cases in the Heresy era. Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels make reference briefly to other members of the Order going under a similar process to Luther (In Descent of Angels Sar Hadriel (sp?) is a half-astartes like Luther, and in Fallen Angels it's mentioned that Master Remiel chose not to take a similar treatment and was an oddity among old members of the Order).

Admittedly Remiel joins a rebellion against the Imperial occupation of Caliban (and later sides with Luther), and Hadriel's fate is as of yet unknown I think (besides that he was banished to Caliban by the Lion the same time as Luther was). In all honesty Hadriel was such a minor character it's possible he got killed off in Fallen Angels and I didn't notice.

On Grimnar and Ulrik: didn't Ulrik recruit Grimnar?
Like he was already a Wolf Priest with sufficient seniority to go out (alone) on Selection duty? Even if he was recruited to the priesthood pretty much straight out of the Blood Claws, that would have him at least a century up on Grimnar, maybe more.