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I disagree that TMP was entirely forgettable. The Enterprise redesign was an instant classic seared into the popular culture with her introduction via the Kirk Gaze. Sadly, the ending revelation about V'Ger is also something we can't forget.

Bob now you're just being a child...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Enterprise redesign was an instant classic seared into the popular culture with her introduction via the Kirk Gaze. .

It might have moved it into the popular eye, but from what I recall at the time the Enterprise redesign was largely hated by fans.

The biggest takeaway from TMP was the ST theme by Goldsmith.

 Manchu wrote:
The biggest takeaway from TMP was the ST theme by Goldsmith.

Heretic! you forget the Klingons. That was cool.

 Manchu wrote:
The look of TOS may hold no appeal to LoH personally, but it connected to the popular imagination in a huge way. And all subsequent Trek sort of proves that throwing money up on the screen is not the answer (Wrath of Khan is the cheapest ST film).

At some point people might consider that I'm not knocking the budget. I actually find it odd that people think Enterprise looks less advanced than TOS. Sure it had buttons and switches and a stainless steel industrial style complete with catwalks, but Enterprise looked more technologically advanced than this pointlessly large room with a 1940s style computer and knobs bigger than my fist. T'Pol's periscope was indeed cool, but the NX-1 also had text interfaces, GUI displays, even a touch screen a few times. The NX-1 sure tried to cash in on the surprising popularity of the Akira's design, but kept the post TOS red and blue nacelle design (the deflector too, even with the dish) because that's more iconic at this point than TOS' bronze merry go round. Watching the Defiant fly around with Mirror Universe's NX-1 was a surreal experience, because wow have we come a long way that TOS design looks pointless regressive.

TOS is iconic for what it is not how it looks. Its not about how much money gets thrown at the screen. It's about set design that looks like it is from the past because it is. I'm sitting here with a keyboard and two monitors, and this is more technologically advanced than what I've seen space warping humans who can travel through time by circling a sun happen to have supposedly 200 years from now.

The biggest takeaway from TMP was the ST theme by Goldsmith.

It is about the only thing I can remember from the film off the top of my head XD

There is a non-profit called New Starship that preserves TNG sets from the Enterprise D as an interactive technology museum. They let kids come in and play with the stuff. Problem is, visiting kids are bored because all the sci fi stuff from 1987 is just ... well, regular stuff in 2017.

And the beige wall-to-wall, yeech!

Point is, the design on these shows is always "the future of the present." The TOS sets incorporate certain late 60s assumptions about technology that we don't share.

My take on mid-23rd-century technology - or rather aesthetics - is that form triumphed over function. For example, engineering was more of a modern art gallery than just a room where you house the engine. (You can see some of this kind of attitude in TNG as well.) That's a rationalization. What really happened is, the TOS production designers didn't foresee the aesthetic repercussions of the transistor.

 Manchu wrote:
There is a non-profit called New Starship that preserves TNG sets from the Enterprise D as an interactive technology museum. They let kids come in and play with the stuff. Problem is, visiting kids are bored because all the sci fi stuff from 1987 is just ... well, regular stuff in 2017.

And the beige wall-to-wall, yeech!

I don't find that unsurprising. I thought it was cool when the original Enterprise prop went on display at the Air and Space Museum;



I love it, my dad loves it, my mom thinks its neat, but I don't imagine my five year old cousins find it all that impressive.

Engineering was actually going for a WWII naval ship feel. You can especially see it first season when you see crew lined up in work coveralls (and crew cut hair styles) semi-shouting orders.

 Frazzled wrote:
Engineering was actually going for a WWII naval ship feel. You can especially see it first season when you see crew lined up in work coveralls (and crew cut hair styles) semi-shouting orders.

I think you can see that on through most of the TOS based films as well (as in the Motion Picture - Undiscovered Country). Roddenberry was a navy man. It definitely showed. EDIT: Wait. I'm thinking of Heinlein aren't I XD

Roddenberry hated the military feel of Wrath of Khan.

I believe he was an army pilot btw.

Yeah Army Air Corp. I was thinking Heinlein for some reason

 Manchu wrote:
Roddenberry hated the military feel of Wrath of Khan.

Wrath definitely had it harder than the rest of the stuff from the Kirk Era, but I think to a degree Roddenberry was a bit bitter he got booted from the production team and became an "executive consultant."

 Manchu wrote:

I believe he was an army pilot btw.

Yes, according to Wikipedia he flew 89 combat missions for the USAAC in WW2, and later became a commercial pilot (and later, a police officer)

 LordofHats wrote:
Wrath definitely had it harder

That's where it started and Nicholas Meyer's brought it back for STVI (a.k.a., "the other good ST movie"). II and VI are almost like an alternate universe. And frankly, I like that take best of all as far as ST goes.

 Manchu wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:
Wrath definitely had it harder

That's where it started and Nicholas Meyer's brought it back for STVI (a.k.a., "the other good ST movie"). II and VI are almost like an alternate universe. And frankly, I like that take best of all as far as ST goes.

Yes, absolutely, those were excellent.
I liked Voyage Home though just for a nice fun film as well. And if you don't like that well then double dumb ass on you!*



*please don't hit the report button and watch the movie instead...

Right - so in the EpVIII thread, the inevitable canard about "just enjoy the movie" just came up. Thing is, a movie that is just supposed to be enjoyed as fluff is also supposed to set itself up as fluff. ST IV is a great example of that. Voyage Home is a simple, light piece of "Star Trek Unplugged."

Exactly. Unfortunately the next one in the series was laughable as well, but for wholly different reasons.

Damn haters i wish you all red shirts!
The ship looks less bad than i expected, when i saw the designs it just looked like a star destroyer with a saucer stuck to it.

 Frazzled wrote:
Exactly. Unfortunately the next one in the series was laughable as well, but for wholly different reasons.

"Excuse me. What does God need with a starship?"

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I actually enjoy that movie...

STV is not a bad movie - it just has some awkward and cheesy moments.

 Manchu wrote:
STV is not a bad movie - it just has some awkward and cheesy moments.

Spoiler:

A scene that came about 20 years too late...

 Frazzled wrote:

Sheilds protect you from torps and phasers. They don't protect you from stresses of spaceflight/inertia forces/ gravity wells.

Here's where technobabble comes in because ST doesn't follow physics. If they did every ship ever would instantly blow apart the moment it accelerated from the godlike level of G's, hence "inertial dampeners."

What are the Gs related to accelerating to 50% of lightspeed in 30 seconds?

Technically - warp travel wouldn't produce any G forces - the ship is barely moving - the space around the ship is what is moving. Yet ST invalidates this all the time - ignoring how the tech would actually work if it were possible.

Thats during a warp bubble. I am talking about good old sublight acceleration (impulse power).

 Frazzled wrote:
Thats during a warp bubble. I am talking about good old sublight acceleration (impulse power).

Yeah totally - I think Impulse power can reach something like 1/4 light speed. Good thing for inertial dampers!

http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/36854/star-trek-discovery-moved-back-again

The premiere date for Star Trek: Discovery, the new CBS All Access series, is no longer May, CBS CEO Les Moonves revealed at a Morgan Stanley investors conference, according to Variety. The series will now debut ‘late summer, early fall,” according to the report. The series required “a lot of post production,” he said.

Production started in late January, with the first look at the production released via video (see “’Star Trek: Discovery’ Video”).

bodes well eh ?

"My god, Bones, what have I done?"

Reshoot time?

None of this bodes well for the production. It's entirely probable the studio is demanding changes but are they demands like what made Rogue One or demands like what made Suicide Squad?

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/03/07/jason-isaacs-boards-star-trek-discovery-new-captain/

Jason Isaacs has joined the cast of the new Star Trek: Discovery series as Captain Lorca. Isaacs may be best known for playing Lucius Malfoy in the Harry Potter series and recently starred in the Netflix series The OA. He joins a cast that includes: Sonequa Martin-Green (The Walking Dead), Michelle Yeoh (Marco Polo), James Frain (Gotham), Doug Jones (Hellboy) and Anthony Rapp (Rent). No confirmation on whether these castings are for regulars, recurring or guest spots.

Star Trek: Discovery is in production now. It was originally slotted to make a February debut, that got moved back to May and now a release date is unknown but expected to be in the fall.

I like this guy. he played a delightfully wicked Tarleton or whatever they called Tarleton in the movie.

No that was Alfonso Ribeiro -- he had that dance and everything.


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