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You think Death Watch would be assassinating Ork warbosses, Necron lords, or Dark Eldar Archons but instead they are devoting their resources to hunting down and killing Eldard and the Harlequins?

The Harlequins are a religious sect devoting to killing Chaos and Eldrad is obviously a huge asset against Chaos.There are almost NO accounts of HARLEQUINS except for possible one troup attacking the Imperium.. Isn't the Imperium killing potential/likely allies slowed? This is like an own goal and the Chaos is going "WTF LOL?" on the other side?

Of course this isn't the first time the IoM makes idiotic decisions that goes against their own interests..
   
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Deathwatch are Xenos hunters. Eldar are Xenos.
The upcoming boxed set is a current event and not an event of the past, way I understand it. So you really don't know what Eldrad and the Harlequins are doing. Maybe they attacked an imperial world or stole something.
   
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Deathwatch's mandate is "the Containment, Study and Extermination of Aliens" - certainly harlequins do qualify, and frankly Eldar are just as likely to turn against humanity as help it.

Eldrad has worked with humanity. He's also responsible for some of the worst bloodbaths that humanity has endured - the Second and Third Wars for Armageddon, Golgotha and and Piscina V, for example, can be directly laid at his doorstep.

It's not a case of 'idiotic decisions that go against their own interests' - the Craftworlds are as much a danger to humanity as anyone else; they see humans as easily manipulable disposable meatshields and will exterminate a human population without a second thought given half a chance.

The Deathwatch do hunt down orks, necrons and archons. However, their main job is generally not on the battlefield (that's what the regular astartes are for) - it's small-scale kill-teams behind the lines, and they fight humans who are subject to Xenos influence as often as xenos themselves (be it Genestealer cults or black market traders in alien tech). In this sort of environment one is arguably more likely to encounter a harlequin than an ork.

That said, they do fight orks. In fact, the origin of the Deathwatch was in a war against the orks (see The Beast Arises series for more details).

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Eldar will kill humans for there own wnds. hardly allies. more you barbarian degenerate have a use. for a while and it saves us the effert

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How do we know the deathwatch aren't the ones being attacked by Eldrad and his new colourful buddies?

 
   
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Eldar aren't potential allies. They're Xenos low on the "To kill" list. This is entirely to be expected.

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I remember one fantastic little scene in a 40k novel where some ordo xenos inquisitor was trying to explain the difference between dangerous xenos and non-dangerous ones.

it was something like

"Ok, here's the difference. This is an Eldar warrior of craftworld Lyanden. Note: They wear yellow armor. All yellow. They are our allies in this conflict.

This is a warrior of the deathsplinter kabal. Red armor, draped with human flesh. They are exceedingly dangerous.

Yellow, no human flesh. Lyanden.

Red, human flesh. Kabal."

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"Four centuries."

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 General Kroll wrote:
How do we know the deathwatch aren't the ones being attacked by Eldrad and his new colourful buddies?


I could easily see some eldar artifact collected by the deathwatch and stored for study/safety in some vault somewhere. Eldrad sees the need for it now, and goes to retrieve it. Heck, he might have orchestrated it’s capture long ago, seeing that the only place it would be secure was a deathwatch watch fortress.

Because Eldar are trolls like that, and view mankind as a resource to be exploited. And that’s why they need to be purged like the rest of the filthy xenos in the galaxy. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, just an enemy I’ve not got around to fighting yet.

   
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Harlequins have zero interest in attacking humans unless it helps them in SOME way against Chaos because they are fanatical death clowns...

So yes they probably stole something or did something but maybe it is for the best since they need it to fight Chaos.

Seriously objectively speaking... devoting resouces to kill Harlequins? They are the guardians of the black library that holds all the artifects and knowledge about Chaos.

Do you think the Death Watch have been infiltrated by Chaos or have secretly turned traitor? O_O

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No. Why on Earth would you think they're traitor?

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DorianGray wrote:

Do you think the Death Watch have been infiltrated by Chaos or have secretly turned traitor? O_O


Kronk will assume this is a serious question.

Kronk will reply with a serious answer.

"No. Whilst Harlequins are generally not as serious of a threat as Orks or Necrons, they are Xenos that do not conform to the Imperial Truth. They are far too removed from His light. They, along with the rest of their race, are to be removed from the galaxy forever. Furthermore, I find your campaigning for Harlequins Rights to be in poor taste. It has been reported recently that you have attended a 'gathering' of the WTH (Worship the Harlequins). You are to report to your Friendly Local Inquisitor for...adjustment. Permanent adjustment. Would you prefer your servitor role be that of window washer or fuel station attendant?"

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 kronk wrote:
DorianGray wrote:

Do you think the Death Watch have been infiltrated by Chaos or have secretly turned traitor? O_O


Kronk will assume this is a serious question.

Kronk will reply with a serious answer.

"No. Whilst Harlequins are generally not as serious of a threat as Orks or Necrons, they are Xenos that do not conform to the Imperial Truth. They are far too removed from His light. They, along with the rest of their race, are to be removed from the galaxy forever. Furthermore, I find your campaigning for Harlequins Rights to be in poor taste. It has been reported recently that you have attended a 'gathering' of the WTH (Worship the Harlequins). You are to report to your Friendly Local Inquisitor for...adjustment. Permanent adjustment. Would you prefer your servitor role be that of window washer or fuel station attendant?"


Have an exalt, Brother Kronk!

Eldrad is 10,000+ years old, and a powerful Eldar witch-mind. Sure, Eldrad has good intentions about stopping the forces of Chaos, but if his plan involves endangering the lives of Imperial citizens, then I have no doubt the Ordo Xenos will dispatch a kill-team.

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I think if something goes down with Eldrad and some Harlequins, they're sending an elite task force after them. Some specialists with certain skills that have a lot of experience hunting xenos. IOW, Death Watch.

Eldar have 0 regard for anything that doesn't extend their race, or serve their craftworlds or their own ends. Humans are little more than beasts to them, not sophisticated or evolved. Plus humans worship a corpse. Very barbaric!

There's no reason for the Death Watch to hold back.
   
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Eldar would probably manipulate an Ork Waaagh or Nid Hive Fleet into attacking an Imperium world if a Farseer foresees it would avoid getting signal lose during Friday's broadcast of "Next Top Harlequin". Makes perfect sense that Deathwatch wouldn't be keen on whatever Eldar trickery they have cooked up.

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 Vankraken wrote:
Eldar would probably manipulate an Ork Waaagh or Nid Hive Fleet into attacking an Imperium world if a Farseer foresees it would avoid getting signal lose during Friday's broadcast of "Next Top Harlequin". Makes perfect sense that Deathwatch wouldn't be keen on whatever Eldar trickery they have cooked up.


No it sounds more like the Harlequins and Eldrad plotting to kill Slaanesh once and for all but then the stupid Deathwatch show up out of nowhere ruining EVERYTHING killing Eldrad and most of the Harlequin sworn against Chaos.

I mean WTF is this? Chaos wins.

   
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DorianGray wrote:
 Vankraken wrote:
Eldar would probably manipulate an Ork Waaagh or Nid Hive Fleet into attacking an Imperium world if a Farseer foresees it would avoid getting signal lose during Friday's broadcast of "Next Top Harlequin". Makes perfect sense that Deathwatch wouldn't be keen on whatever Eldar trickery they have cooked up.


No it sounds more like the Harlequins and Eldrad plotting to kill Slaanesh once and for all but then the stupid Deathwatch show up out of nowhere ruining EVERYTHING killing Eldrad and most of the Harlequin sworn against Chaos.

I mean WTF is this? Chaos wins.


No. Chaos does not win.

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pm713 wrote:
DorianGray wrote:
 Vankraken wrote:
Eldar would probably manipulate an Ork Waaagh or Nid Hive Fleet into attacking an Imperium world if a Farseer foresees it would avoid getting signal lose during Friday's broadcast of "Next Top Harlequin". Makes perfect sense that Deathwatch wouldn't be keen on whatever Eldar trickery they have cooked up.


No it sounds more like the Harlequins and Eldrad plotting to kill Slaanesh once and for all but then the stupid Deathwatch show up out of nowhere ruining EVERYTHING killing Eldrad and most of the Harlequin sworn against Chaos.

I mean WTF is this? Chaos wins.


No. Chaos does not win.


Or if it does, we just ignore it and reset the story.
   
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BossJakadakk wrote:
pm713 wrote:
DorianGray wrote:
 Vankraken wrote:
Eldar would probably manipulate an Ork Waaagh or Nid Hive Fleet into attacking an Imperium world if a Farseer foresees it would avoid getting signal lose during Friday's broadcast of "Next Top Harlequin". Makes perfect sense that Deathwatch wouldn't be keen on whatever Eldar trickery they have cooked up.


No it sounds more like the Harlequins and Eldrad plotting to kill Slaanesh once and for all but then the stupid Deathwatch show up out of nowhere ruining EVERYTHING killing Eldrad and most of the Harlequin sworn against Chaos.

I mean WTF is this? Chaos wins.


No. Chaos does not win.


Or if it does, we just ignore it and reset the story.

It isn't going to win from anything out of this troll thread.

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Filthy Xenos be needing a purge, simples.

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well nobody accused the Imperium of being intelligent, as for Eldar killing Imperial citizens? Please, I'd wager the Imperium has killed more of their own people than the pointy eared protagonists of the story via exterminatus, wayward Inquisitors and meat grinder mentality with the military.

Yep, we have Nids, a race which maybe the greatest threat to life in the galaxy... Necron uprisings throughout the Imperium... Ork Waaagh's billions strong... and the Imperium in all their wisdom goes for the Eldar? A dying race whose every death makes a certain pleasure God stronger by the way (not so much Harlequins but definitely Eldrad).

You may not want to fight beside them, but good grief they have more pressing Xeno threats no? Idiots.

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 Torus wrote:
well nobody accused the Imperium of being intelligent, as for Eldar killing Imperial citizens? Please, I'd wager the Imperium has killed more of their own people than the pointy eared protagonists of the story via exterminatus, wayward Inquisitors and meat grinder mentality with the military.

Yep, we have Nids, a race which maybe the greatest threat to life in the galaxy... Necron uprisings throughout the Imperium... Ork Waaagh's billions strong... and the Imperium in all their wisdom goes for the Eldar? A dying race whose every death makes a certain pleasure God stronger by the way (not so much Harlequins but definitely Eldrad).

You may not want to fight beside them, but good grief they have more pressing Xeno threats no? Idiots.


Well every one of these boxsets has a narrative. Calth was very obviously the HH battle. Overkill was written as a discovered Cult. Renegade was Knight Freeblade vs Renegade. It could come down to the Eldar are trying to recover a relic of theirs that's related to Ynead in Imperial possession and have attacked a world to do so, thus requiring the Deathwatch specialists to intervene. Or negotiations gone wrong between Eldrad trying to warn the more intelligent, diplomatic Deathwatch and the overly zealous Inquisitorial handler puts a price on his head. Or its a good chance to seriously cripple or destroy an enemy faction by removing their prominent leader Eldrad, which they can't do to Necrons, DEldar, Tyrands or Orks just at this time, but taking out this enemy eases the burden for a while.

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Purge the alien.

Eldar=Alien

???

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Eldar burned the whole worlds, filled with billions of humans, to save a bunch of their own people. The Deathwatch have more than a good reason to hunt them down.

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Wouldn't it be fun if it turned out that the Deathwatch were sent to kill Eldrad because corrupt Inquisitor, and then everything went horribly out of control and they have to Exterminatus because grimdank?

Totes a new story.
   
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There's also the fact that they drugged a whole army of ultramarines and gave them to a haemonculus to settle a debt. They aren't on the Imperium's side.

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There's also the fact that they drugged a whole army of ultramarines and gave them to a haemonculus to settle a debt. They aren't on the Imperium's side.


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 Lord Blackscale wrote:
 JamesY wrote:
There's also the fact that they drugged a whole army of ultramarines and gave them to a haemonculus to settle a debt. They aren't on the Imperium's side.


Well, if you can give me a better use for Ultramarines I would like to hear it.


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