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I would have liked Franklin to be a president. he was a a funny cool guy

Personally as the personification of everything that makes America America (despite being British), I think Lord Byron should be president because he totally gets us

Whembly, I don't beleive this email thing has legs, but even if it did, who would do anything about it?

You might get some brave journalist or investigator to go after Trump or Clinton, but these kind of people go missing for months, then turn up in the desert full of bullet holes, with the official verdict being that they kicked themselves to death...and then drowned or something!

There's a whole system in place designed to stop the truth coming out...

 Lord of Deeds wrote:


That little bit got me thinking that if we had our choice of historical figures to run for President, who would they be (excluding past US Presidents). Just think of the possibilities.....Napoleon vs Kublai Khan.......

Why exclude past presidents? they're great for a reason

I'd love to have Teddy Rosevelt in office again. He is the greatest president ever. When the army cadets complained about their riding drills, he rode his horse for a day trip and told them to shut up and do it. Probably the only person to ever kick asthma is the butt and got over it. Get's shot, finishes his speech anyways, thus originating the quote 'tis only a flesh wound'

Greatest line ever "america has no room for hyphenated americans" meaning you're here, you're one of us. A true egalitarian.
and about him "death had to take him while he slept, if he was awake there would have been a fight"

There is no one who could measure up against him from the dawn of time til our extinction.

 LordofHats wrote:
Personally as the personification of everything that makes America America (despite being British), I think Lord Byron should be president because he totally gets us

Byron would have been great, he gets our scandals and all, but his gimpy leg ruins the image. Franklin just had the STDs, no gimp to go with it. All that said, god bless FDR.

Asshat is stiffing a pollster hired by him and his campaign. This is my shocked face.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/ar-AAjEMPK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

The new email thing is beyond ridiculous...the FBI found some emails from Clinton to someone who was serving in congress. They don't know what's in the emails because they didn't read them but they need to let everyone know about the emails because Clinton emails bad...

Rosebuddy wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:


the worst surprise attack in US history was pearl harbor, 9/11 is second, maybe even 3rd after little bighorn.

The US declared war against a country over one individual, when a simple extradition would have sufficed.

Didn't Afghanistan offer to hand bin Laden over to a third party?

Sort of, kind of. The Taliban at one point offered to turn over OBL if the US would stop the bombing campaign, and provide "proof" that OBL was responsible. At that point they would consider handing OBL over to a third party country. It wasn't a great offer to be honest even if they would have followed through on it.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Asshat is stiffing a pollster hired by him and his campaign. This is my shocked face.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/ar-AAjEMPK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

One has to wonder how he'll ever get anyone to do contract work for him ever again.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Whembly, I don't beleive this email thing has legs, but even if it did, who would do anything about it?

You might get some brave journalist or investigator to go after Trump or Clinton, but these kind of people go missing for months, then turn up in the desert full of bullet holes, with the official verdict being that they kicked themselves to death...and then drowned or something!

There's a whole system in place designed to stop the truth coming out...

Well... the loud chorus of the Democrat phreak outs seems to me it "has" legs.

 LordofHats wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Asshat is stiffing a pollster hired by him and his campaign. This is my shocked face.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/ar-AAjEMPK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

One has to wonder how he'll ever get anyone to do contract work for him ever again.

Considering he's been sued more times that I care to count for failure to pay per contract, you'd think folks would have learned by now.

 whembly wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Whembly, I don't beleive this email thing has legs, but even if it did, who would do anything about it?

You might get some brave journalist or investigator to go after Trump or Clinton, but these kind of people go missing for months, then turn up in the desert full of bullet holes, with the official verdict being that they kicked themselves to death...and then drowned or something!

There's a whole system in place designed to stop the truth coming out...

Well... the loud chorus of the Democrat phreak outs seems to me it "has" legs.

I think its more the fact that its basically a week before election day, and that this was knowingly dropped in defiance of all existing justice dept guidelines and policies for a reason nobody can quite discern.

 skyth wrote:
The new email thing is beyond ridiculous...the FBI found some emails from Clinton to someone who was serving in congress. They don't know what's in the emails because they didn't read them but they need to let everyone know about the emails because Clinton emails bad...

No, they didn't. They found some emails between a guy and his estranged wife that might possibly include some Clinton emails because the wife is a Clinton aide and there is a metric feth ton of emails to look at so there is a good chance some of them might be from Clinton.

However, until the 650,000 emails are examined, there isn't any idea of what they contain. It might be 650,000 items of a husband and wife's marriage unravelling in text.

God knows how anyone manages to write 650,000 emails!

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 skyth wrote:
The new email thing is beyond ridiculous...the FBI found some emails from Clinton to someone who was serving in congress. They don't know what's in the emails because they didn't read them but they need to let everyone know about the emails because Clinton emails bad...

No, they didn't. They found some emails between a guy and his estranged wife that might possibly include some Clinton emails because the wife is a Clinton aide and there is a metric feth ton of emails to look at so there is a good chance some of them might be from Clinton.

However, until the 650,000 emails are examined, there isn't any idea of what they contain. It might be 650,000 items of a husband and wife's marriage unravelling in text.

God knows how anyone manages to write 650,000 emails!

that's a lot of dic pics

 djones520 wrote:

 LordofHats wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Asshat is stiffing a pollster hired by him and his campaign. This is my shocked face.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/ar-AAjEMPK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

One has to wonder how he'll ever get anyone to do contract work for him ever again.

Considering he's been sued more times that I care to count for failure to pay per contract, you'd think folks would have learned by now.

Greedy moths to the flame...they deserve to get burned.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 skyth wrote:
The new email thing is beyond ridiculous...the FBI found some emails from Clinton to someone who was serving in congress. They don't know what's in the emails because they didn't read them but they need to let everyone know about the emails because Clinton emails bad...

No, they didn't. They found some emails between a guy and his estranged wife that might possibly include some Clinton emails because the wife is a Clinton aide and there is a metric feth ton of emails to look at so there is a good chance some of them might be from Clinton.

However, until the 650,000 emails are examined, there isn't any idea of what they contain. It might be 650,000 items of a husband and wife's marriage unravelling in text.

God knows how anyone manages to write 650,000 emails!

that's a lot of dic pics

It could be one long pic fragmented into lots of separate emails due to the size limit on attachments.

This latest email thing is just this election season's Swift Boat BS story...

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 skyth wrote:
The new email thing is beyond ridiculous...the FBI found some emails from Clinton to someone who was serving in congress. They don't know what's in the emails because they didn't read them but they need to let everyone know about the emails because Clinton emails bad...

No, they didn't. They found some emails between a guy and his estranged wife that might possibly include some Clinton emails because the wife is a Clinton aide and there is a metric fethton of emails to look at so there is a good chance some of them might be from Clinton.

However, until the 650,000 emails are examined, there isn't any idea of what they contain. It might be 650,000 items of a husband and wife's marriage unravelling in text.

God knows how anyone manages to write 650,000 emails!

So, uh, what does one do when a mod manages to bypass the swear filter?
(I edited it in my own quoting of the post so I don't get baned)
Yes, "baned" was intentional.

Anyway, yeah, that whole 650,000 emails things is mind boggling. That's 178 emails every single day for ten years! Does nobody know how to hit the delete key after reading their junk mail?

That is the point. The FBI have just swept up every email that Mrs Thingy and her estranged husband have sent or received in a decade. It's difficult to imagine that that enormous amount of potential evidence could be examined properly within a realistic time-frame.

So how many of those emails are for cheap Viagra, and 'Sexy lady lonely tonite' that Mr Sexting forgot to delete?

One thing I saw in another story, the FBI didn't leak it, they told congress and a Republican leaked it to the press.

Cheers

Andrew

Yeah the FBI fethed up bad on this one.

 AndrewC wrote:
So how many of those emails are for cheap Viagra, and 'Sexy lady lonely tonite' that Mr Sexting forgot to delete?

More importantly, who doesn't delete old email? I can see holding on to certain ones that may be valuable for a memoir or something but more than a hundred thou?

My sense was since she didn't use it and it was a tablet, the emails were automatically backed up on something like skydrive or something that links among devices. It will be a whole lot of duplicate emails if she turned hers over to the Feds initially.

 Breotan wrote:

 AndrewC wrote:
So how many of those emails are for cheap Viagra, and 'Sexy lady lonely tonite' that Mr Sexting forgot to delete?

More importantly, who doesn't delete old email? I can see holding on to certain ones that may be valuable for a memoir or something but more than a hundred thou?

And if they were deleted people would take that as 'proof' of Clinton wrongdoing.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
Asshat is stiffing a pollster hired by him and his campaign. This is my shocked face.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/ar-AAjEMPK?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=ASUDHP

In part I think it's just plain funny that a pollster who signed on to work for a crook with a long reputation of refusing to pay vendors... has ended up in a pay dispute with that crook. Hoisted by your own petard and all that. But more than I'm just absolutely amazed that anyone is happy to vote for an obvious grifter like Trump, let alone that there's enough people that this remains a reasonably close election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/31/donald-trump-is-refusing-to-pay-his-campaign-pollster-nearly-three-quarters-of-a-million-dollars/?postshare=7601477933633852&tid=ss_tw

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
We're getting OT, here, Sebster, but this needs to be said: you can dress up the 1970s constitutional crisis all you want, but the bottom line is that Australian democracy was meddled with by an outside third party, in this case, the Governor General.

If it happened once, it could happen again. Unlikely, but never say never.

Okay, first up that's a terrible description of what happened in the 1970s. John Kerr is an Australian citizen, who was offered the position of Governor General by the Prime Minister. The final appointment is made by the queen, but its a rubber stamp. Describing what happened as meddling by an outside third party is just fething wrong.

Second up, that's nothing to do with nothing, completely irrelevant to any point I made to you. Australia is not a republic because our head of state is the queen. The head of state is a hereditary position, and so we are not a republic. What happened in the 70s is not related in any meaningful sense.

As for my other comments, it wouldn't even call the USA a republic these days. It's more like a plutocracy.

No, please for the love of god just learn what 'republic' means. It means the place doesn't have a hereditary ruler. That's it. You can be a plutocracy and a republic. This is a basic fething matter of fething definitions. If you want to talk about politics you really do need to know what words actually mean.

On November 8th, the American people will have to choose between corrupt establishment candidate X or corrupt establishment candidate Y.

Well, between a man who's been running a series of grifts in the business world who is now looking to run similar con jobs in politics... and a woman who's had lots of accusations against her by political opponents, which is apparently the same thing as being corrupt.

Hopefully, the third party candidates will get a boost, or if we're really lucky people will see sense and not vote at all...

Third party votes are falling pretty quickly. It looks like Johnson will struggle to hit the magic 5%.

For all the internet talk, people keep picking one of the two major parties. It's almost as if the major parties are the major parties because they address people's wishes more than minor parties. Amazing, really.

Just goes to show the distaste for Hillary. A ton of people here keep acting like she's a saint compared to Trump.

Well, it's become pretty clear that a large part of America disagrees.

And the "3rd party is a wasted vote" voice is so damn loud...

Prestor Jon wrote:
Trump is a plutocrat so him running for election in a plutocracy makes him just as Establishment as a career politician. Trump doesn't have any history in the Republican Party since he just joined a few years ago in the lead up to this election cycle

False. Trump enrolled as Republican in July 1987. He ended that in 1999, to join the Independence Party for his first failed presidential run. After that he re-enrolled as a Democrat in 2001, this time as a Democrat. He kept that for 8 years, before cancelling it in 2009 to re-join the Republican party. That lasted 2 years, before he left again and chose no party affiliation. Finally, in April 2012 he re-registered as a Republican, which has kept since then.

I suspect Trump will cancel his Republican membership again sometime in the next couple of years, even if he wins in November

he clearly doesn't care to kowtow to traditional party platforms and party leaders but he's definitely one of the wealthy elite that gets to leverage his personal fortune into political influence for his own benefit. Trump isn't a career politician but he's not an outsider either.

This is a pretty fair summary.


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Rosebuddy wrote:
Didn't Afghanistan offer to hand bin Laden over to a third party?

No, they requested evidence that bin Laden was involved in 9-11, and refused to hand over anyone else accused of being involved. The US dismissed that as a delaying tactic then discussions broke down and invasion became inevitable.

 djones520 wrote:
Just goes to show the distaste for Hillary. A ton of people here keep acting like she's a saint compared to Trump.

Well, it's become pretty clear that a large part of America disagrees.

And the "3rd party is a wasted vote" voice is so damn loud...

compared to trump, she's a saint. The thing is the republicans have been throwing so much mud at her for decades, most of it untrue nonsense and trumped up charges, that any real charges that could be brought against her just fall into the background noise.

it's also clear a large part of america still thinks Obama's a muslim and born in kenya, and the sun revolves around the earth. Just because some random idea has a large following doesn't make it factual nor based in reality.

 whembly wrote:
Well... the loud chorus of the Democrat phreak outs seems to me it "has" legs.

If the Queen of England came out tomorrow and said Trump was a big poopy head... that would cause a big freak whether Trump was actually a poopyhead or not. Because it would be so far outside of diplomatic norms for a head of state to say something like that during an election.

Similarly, the 'freak out' about Comer is because his announcement was so far outside of the political norms. Comer himself sent out the standard 'don't announce anything within 60 days of the election' memo earlier this year. And then he goes and makes his announcement 11 days before the election.


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 djones520 wrote:
Just goes to show the distaste for Hillary. A ton of people here keep acting like she's a saint compared to Trump.

Clinton's approval among Democrats is north of 80%. That's equal to or better than any candidate among their own party, Republican or Democrat, for more than a quarter century, except for Obama. Her overall approval rating is bad, because she's got like 95% of Republicans hating her. But this is a product of a polarised age - Trump of course is even less popular, and so was every single other Republican candidate for the presidency.

And the "3rd party is a wasted vote" voice is so damn loud...

Or maybe, just holy gak fething maybe, the Democrats and Republicans between them actually manage to capture most of the interests of the voting public.

I know lots of people on the internet like to believe that if they don't have all their pet issues perfectly addressed by someone then democracy is utterly broken, but it just doesn't work that way.

FBI: "Clinton sent emails to another member of the government."

Republican Conclusion: "MORE PROOF OF WRONGDOING!!"

And still they wonder why bad things just keep happening despite them all being the fault of others. If only those darn others would stop screwing Republicans over!

I relish every moment of this entirely self-inflicted suffering. It just so dam satisfying to see people get what they deserve.