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 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

By the way, anyone else see Paul Ryan's piece on CNN?
The blatant, insulting hypocrisy and pot-calling-the-kettle-black is just outrageous. Is he really just that completely out of touch with reality?

er... what specifically do you have a problem with?

It's really light on details...

Remember, you asked...
Sorry for any typos or anything that may not quite make sense, in a rush to finish to head out for dinner.

Only Republicans are offering a better way.
Nice little starting jab by stating at least half the country is just wrong about everything, because you say so.
A unified Republican government will dedicate itself to reclaiming our founding principles and solving the country's problems.
Because any other government, even if Republicans are involved, is incapable of doing so? We must instead bow down to our Republican saviors? So what have Republicans been trying to do in government for the last 20 years?
This is not just a vague promise
Well, yes, it actually is vague. Just because you say things will be great, and that your plans are great, doesn't make it true.
1. Fight poverty by tying welfare to work and making sure it always pays for people to work and get on the ladder of opportunity.
What work? Exactly how are you going to provide that opportunity? Are we bringing back the PWA? Sounds dangerously like a socialist idea there.
2. Keep our country safe by securing the border, restoring our traditional alliances and rebuilding our military so we can confront radical Islamist extremism.
Oh, good, there's the wall by another name. What alliances? And you want to spend even more on the military? So much for reducing government spending and size of government. But, mostly that entire bit is just the usual political claptrap jargon that means nothing.
3. Grow the economy by developing our energy resources, ending bailouts and making unelected bureaucrats go through Congress for a final vote before regulations go into effect.
More of the same political claptrap. Given how much money the energy industry is using to buy off the Republicans, I don't think any of this will happen (and notice there is no specifics about which resources will be developed).
4. Restore the Constitution by restoring the separation of powers and setting higher standards for transparency and accountability.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Set all the standards you want, doesn't mean you have anyone has any intention of actually meeting them. Besides, your party is already on record for not caring one bit about certain parts of the Constitution (talk about separation of powers, how about separate of church and state?)
5. Repeal Obamacare and all these skyrocketing premiums, so we can replace it with patient-centered solutions that empower you to pick the plan that meets your needs -- not Washington's mandates.
More claptrap. Until you actually put forward a genuine fix or an alternative rather than the 50th symbolic attempt at simply repealing it without doing anything else, you've got no legs to stand on with this one.
6. Fix our tax code and make it fairer and simpler -- so simple, in fact, that families can do their taxes on a form the size of a postcard.
More claptrap. Your corporate and rich upper class paymasters will make sure this doesn't happen. Unless the simplification makes it even easier for them to avoid paying taxes.
This is our job as leaders: to offer positive solutions and empower people. Our duty is to tackle our problems before they tackle us.
True, but meaningless words from today's politicians. Because they haven't bothered to actually do it for my entire lifetime. Kicking the can down the road has been the defining characteristic of Congress in general and the Republican party in particular for the last 12+ years.
She has offered no new ideas to address our biggest challenges,
Not seeing any new ideas from you, either.
This is how Clinton can so casually classify whole groups of people as "deplorables."
So, you're just fine with racists? Sexists? Bigots? Homophobes? Xenophobes? Islamophobes? Because, yes, racism, sexism, bigotry, etc., ARE deplorable.
She created this separate server, and then she enabled a culture in which people would mishandle sensitive information.
Enabled? Possibly (although these things have been going on for years, even under the Bush administration). Created? Definitely not. And I'll bet dollars to pesos that if we go through all of your emails, text messages, etc., you ain't gonna be squeeky clean, either.
This is what life is like with the Clintons. It is one scandal after another, and you never know what's coming next. They use the system to enrich themselves. Can we handle four years of this?
Replace "Clintons" with "Trump" and the statement is still pretty much true. The difference is, we can handle four years of Clinton.

As for the rest, no. Republicans, you've had more than enough chances to "save us". You have chosen obstruction over compromise. You have chosen dereliction of duty over performing your offices in good faith in accordance with the oath you swore. You have chosen faith over facts, and to deny science. You once believed in equality (Lincoln), you once believed in science (NASA), but now you believe in neither, because you are giving us Trump. And if not Trump, it would have been Ted Cruz, whose utter narcissism and constant and calculated attempts at attention whoring with every action he takes have been ignored only because Trump appeared on the scene. Republicans, look long and hard at yourselves and what your actions have been for the past several years. Trump is a creation of your doing. Racism, sexism, bigotry, and everything else that he and his most ardent followers represent cannot and should not be allowed to define America.

Paul Ryan, you talk about the decline of America, but with Donald Trump, you're willfully tossing America into the gutter.

I just find it lacking... not so much hypocritical because it's pretty much the same thing for the last 8 years.

It's basically: We ain't doing gak until we control the House, Senate and the Whitehouse.

When did compromise become such a bad word?

 whembly wrote:
When did compromise become such a bad word?

When the republican party's top priority became "make Obama a one-term president" instead of "govern the country".

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

 Peregrine wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When did compromise become such a bad word?

When the republican party's top priority became "make Obama a one-term president" instead of "govern the country".

Oh... you mean, when a party loses they shouldn't want to take the White House back?

Man... then why have political parties?

 whembly wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When did compromise become such a bad word?

When the republican party's top priority became "make Obama a one-term president" instead of "govern the country".

Oh... you mean, when a party loses they shouldn't want to take the White House back?

Man... then why have political parties?

Why do you not advocate using nuclear weapons on American citizens? Clearly, taking the White House back is of paramount importance, no?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

They've been around much longer than that...

But, hey, nevermind the Democrat congressional obstruction during the Reagan and Bushes year...


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When did compromise become such a bad word?

When the republican party's top priority became "make Obama a one-term president" instead of "govern the country".

Oh... you mean, when a party loses they shouldn't want to take the White House back?

Man... then why have political parties?

Not at the expense of having the state shut down.

Huh?


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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When did compromise become such a bad word?

When the republican party's top priority became "make Obama a one-term president" instead of "govern the country".

Oh... you mean, when a party loses they shouldn't want to take the White House back?

Man... then why have political parties?

Why do you not advocate using nuclear weapons on American citizens? Clearly, taking the White House back is of paramount importance, no?

Huh? Part deux.

Mitochondria wrote:
Hahaha. "Rape Culture".

Today I learned when a woman wants to pursue a rich or famous man, arranges, to be around him, gives off the appropriate signals, and engages in sexual congress it is not her choice.

She had to have been coerced.

Right signals being according to you being in same room...

Sheesh. I hope you don't get into same room with any women as simply being near you is according to you invitation for you to start groping and raping them.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

Who was it that had the government shut down and threw a hissy fit over it again?

 Ustrello wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

Who was it that had the government shut down and threw a hissy fit over it again?

:gasp:

You me... Congress should never EVER exercise their "Powah of da Purse"?

Ever?

Imma hold you to that the next time the Democrats takes over Congress (which they will eventually).

http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004726496/in-the-media-pen-at-a-trump-rally.html

360 degree video of the Media pen in a Trump rally, as Trump encourages the crowd to hate the media.

Seriously, I thought the idea two minutes hate was just a silly fiction from "Nineteen Eighty Four", not a damned modern reality.

If they're doing it because "oppose anything a Republican President does" then they should also be called out on it, if they're doing it because "this is a stupid idea, here's our rationale on why this is stupid" then that is what it is supposed to be used for (I guess?).

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
If they're doing it because "oppose anything a Republican President does" then they should also be called out on it, if they're doing it because "this is a stupid idea, here's our rationale on why this is stupid" then that is what it is supposed to be used for (I guess?).

The last shutdown was over Obamacare funding.

It wasn't to "oppose Democrats"... it was because Obamacare was so unpopular and such a disaster.

It was simple over a program. Not a "derp,derp let's oppose it because DEMOCRATS!".

 whembly wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

Who was it that had the government shut down and threw a hissy fit over it again?

:gasp:

You me... Congress should never EVER exercise their "Powah of da Purse"?

Ever?

Imma hold you to that the next time the Democrats takes over Congress (which they will eventually).

Holy crap that is stupid, they literally would not compromise unless they got 100 percent of what they wanted and shut the government down over it. And funnily enough the few times it has happened in recent memory is all the Rs

 whembly wrote:
The last shutdown was over Obamacare funding.

Yes, but rather than address Obamacare by passing a law repealing it they decided to try a strategy of "nah, we put this on our credit card but we're not going to pay the bill because we don't agree with it anymore" and then extended it to "we're not going to fund anything until you give in and let us repeal Obamacare", with the threat to our credit rating as a hostage. That strategy only works if one party is composed of responsible people who understand that the basic functions of government have to happen, while the other has a bunch of rabid lunatics who are willing to trash the economy if they don't get what they want.

It wasn't to "oppose Democrats"... it was because Obamacare was so unpopular and such a disaster.

Too bad they openly admitted that it was about "make Obama a one-term president".


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 whembly wrote:
You me... Congress should never EVER exercise their "Powah of da Purse"?

There is a difference between "exercising the power of the purse" and "give us everything we want because we're crazy enough to destroy everything if you don't".

tneva82 wrote:

Also what you have to say about him lying compulsively all the time, deleting records requested by court, proposing spread of nukes and USING nukes and policies that are designed to ensure rich pay even less taxes?

A good old American capitalist.

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

I think it was right around the same time that changing your mind (especially in light of new evidence) became "a bad thing", and doing so was called "flipflopping".

I simply despise this way of thinking that goes; "If we cannot get it 100% our way, then we are going to do our utmost to block and hinder any attempt at anything less".

Not looking so hot for trump in Nevada early voting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nevada-early-vote_us_581d5e39e4b0e80b02ca43d0?section=politics

Democrats also overtook Republicans in Nevada’s second largest county, surrounding Reno, which has historically been closely contested.

“If you have a panic button GOP, find it,” tweeted Jon Ralston, a veteran political reporter in the state. “Trump is dead.”

Returns in Nevada and several other states with early voting ― including Florida, Colorado, Georgia and Arizona ― have shown large turnout increases among Latino voters. In Florida, as of Friday, Latino in-person voting was up over 150 percent from the same time in 2012.

Trump has a rally in Reno planned for Saturday evening, though The New York Times reported that “strategists in both parties were somewhat puzzled by the trip” since early voting has already ended.

Winning there may simply be essential for Trump. If Clinton takes Nevada, she could lose all of the other current swing states ― Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Iowa, Arizona and Georgia ― and still win the presidency, assuming the non-battleground states do not shift.

 Ahtman wrote:
I want to salute that post.

Like this? o7

 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

Seriously, what? "The right is to blame for making 'compromise' a bad word = the left is always blameless." That's not what he said, that's not even implied, and to take it where you did really isn't arguing in good faith; its needlessly oversimplifying things to avoid responding rationally. If you don't have a response there's no need to post, and its OK to admit the Republicans got things wrong. Its not damming to have made mistakes in politics (even a lot of them), even though media really likes to portray things as such (read: not just Fox) for ratings.

Well, at least in this thread.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

Seriously, what? "The right is to blame for making 'compromise' a bad word = the left is always blameless." That's not what he said, that's not even implied, and to take it where you did really isn't arguing in good faith; its needlessly oversimplifying things to avoid responding rationally. If you don't have a response there's no need to post, and its OK to admit the Republicans got things wrong. Its not damming to have made mistakes in politics (even a lot of them), even though media really likes to portray things as such (read: not just Fox) for ratings.

Well, at least in this thread.

IF he said " Beck, Limbaugh, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, et al."... then he would have a point.

But since he said " Beck, Limbaugh, et al.", he implied it's the 'Righties" that bears fault. And that's ignoring the realities that Democrats were just as happen to push whatever the feth they wanted w/o Republicans participation. You only need to look at 2008-2010 when they held both houses in Congress.

So what's the deal with Reno?

The news is a bit scare here, how's the US press?

 AndrewC wrote:
So what's the deal with Reno?

The news is a bit scare here, how's the US press?

apparently he mocked a protester and then got rushed off stage. But it isn't know if they are connected

News reports here are a 'bit' edited we're not getting to see much other than the SecServ bundling him off.

Ta

Andrew

Not really being reported very well here yet.

In regards to the above: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-rushed-off-stage-at-nevada-rally/ar-AAjWWCH?li=BBnb7Kz

Doesn't seem like much, just a protester and security doing their job.

 whembly wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:


When did compromise become such a bad word?

Probably when Beck, Limbaugh, et al. decided to make it so.

So blame the righties.

The lefties are blameless.

Always.

Got it.

Seriously, what? "The right is to blame for making 'compromise' a bad word = the left is always blameless." That's not what he said, that's not even implied, and to take it where you did really isn't arguing in good faith; its needlessly oversimplifying things to avoid responding rationally. If you don't have a response there's no need to post, and its OK to admit the Republicans got things wrong. Its not damming to have made mistakes in politics (even a lot of them), even though media really likes to portray things as such (read: not just Fox) for ratings.

Well, at least in this thread.

IF he said " Beck, Limbaugh, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, et al."... then he would have a point.

But since he said " Beck, Limbaugh, et al.", he implied it's the 'Righties" that bears fault. And that's ignoring the realities that Democrats were just as happen to push whatever the feth they wanted w/o Republicans participation. You only need to look at 2008-2010 when they held both houses in Congress.

Pushing a party agenda =/= making compromise a bad word. Note that there were a number of attempts by Democrats and Obama to reach out to the Republican party, and were ultimately met with a flat refusal to compromise. Accordingly, that could not have been the source of compromise 'going bad' since that mentality was already present at full strength during that period. So in this instance we still have it being the Republicans fault, which you have extrapolated into "the left is always blameless" which is not a logical connection.

Trump almost got assassinated, what a time to be alive.

Literally not seeing that anywhere.

 Ustrello wrote:
Literally not seeing that anywhere.

When in doubt, just make stuff up.