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 Ahtman wrote:
I feel like the word 'sheeple', and the comic that follows, is fairly close to coming out.

I was 100% shocked I didn't see it. Honest, holy gak I licked a new 9-volt battery, shocked.

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, apparently over the weekend the Governor of Virginia (Dem) pardoned 60,000 felons. This restored their voting rights and a good chunk were gleefully added to the voting polls.


As a side note, this also granted them the ability to legally buy firearms again....... Anyone else see this being bad in the future?

Why are you anti-Second Amendment?

Ok, quick update on the state of the race.

The psychic Scottish goat has called the election for Clinton:

http://www.scotsman.com/news/video-psychic-scottish-goat-predicts-next-us-president-1-4280162

But the mystical Chinese monkey has chosen Trump:

http://shanghaiist.com/2016/11/07/monkey_picks_trump.php


So early results seem mixed. With any luck, a pre-cognisant squid will come along to break this deadlock.

Did that octopuss thing not cast its vote yet?
Or did it die irrc?

edit, was it a squid?

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 skyth wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 skyth wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

Nah, this trend has been going on for the last 30 years, which includes both GOP and Democrat administrations. It's more complicated than blaming the Republicans.

Not really. Education is largely a state/local issue. 'Small town America' repeatedly votes Republican for the last 30 years, which means the people in charge of their education system are the Republicans who constantly attack and cut funding for teachers and education. Same (Lately...It's a relatively new issue) with health care since it's a Democratic issue, Republicans have to be against helping with it.

I still think it's more complicated than that.

I read an article about a small American town that went from a busy high street, to a ghost town when a new Walmart turned up and put everybody out of business.

Hmmm...Who do you think Walmart supports and is supported by?

 skyth wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


And small town America is getting hammered by falling healthcare, education, life expectancy etc etc they've been left behind by globalization.

Maybe if they would stop voting for the Republicans (You know, the party that is against healthcare and education...) that might change...

:rolls eyes:

Because the elites in power knows better than us shrubs.

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, apparently over the weekend the Governor of Virginia (Dem) pardoned 60,000 felons. This restored their voting rights and a good chunk were gleefully added to the voting polls.


As a side note, this also granted them the ability to legally buy firearms again....... Anyone else see this being bad in the future?

Source? What kind of felons? Small time MJ possession charges?

I doubt that gives them enough time to register for today's election, what with them now being free from jail. They'd have had to register yesterday (business day) and even then have some sort of proof of residence (state prison count?). I'm not concerned if that's even remotely true.

Edit: Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us/governor-terry-mcauliffe-virginia-voting-rights-convicted-felons.html?_r=0

He is allowing them to vote. There is nothing in there that I've seen about the ability to buy fire arms.

Myrna Pérez, director of a voting rights project at the Brennan Center, said Mr. McAuliffe’s move was particularly important because Virginia has had such restrictive laws on voting by felons. Still, she said,“Compared to the rest of the country, this is a very middle of the road policy.’’

Ms. Pérez said a number of states already had less restrictive policies than the one announced by Mr. McAuliffe. Fourteen states allow felons to vote after their prison terms are completed even while they remain on parole or probation.

Vote early, vote often America!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's over, thank God it's over!

Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

Canpaigns for the 2018 mid terms start in a day's time.

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

Two fething years of this and the false equivalency is still there at the end.

 sebster wrote:
Vote early, vote often America!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's over, thank God it's over!

Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

Canpaigns for the 2018 mid terms start in a day's time.

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

Two fething years of this and the false equivalency is still there at the end.

Nope.

It won't be over.

It's going to be absolutely vicious.

You thought that last 8 years were bad... just wait.

legality aside, I'm not sure that the phrasing there means quite what they intended it to.


Or maybe TRump is going to tap into the previously ignored Centaur demographic.

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, apparently over the weekend the Governor of Virginia (Dem) pardoned 60,000 felons. This restored their voting rights and a good chunk were gleefully added to the voting polls.


As a side note, this also granted them the ability to legally buy firearms again....... Anyone else see this being bad in the future?

I know this is hot news in ther derposphere right now because it plays to the rigged elections narrative, but the governor started doing this in April, and has been doing it in batches since then, when he announced a plan via executive order to restore voting rights to 200,000 ex-felons.

Is this a good idea? For voting rights, yes it is. There is no reason someone who commits a crime, serves their time, and then is released forever loses their franchise while of course, still paying taxes. Felons should automatically have their voting rights restored when they are released. There is no reason for them to have lost them in the first place. You want former criminals to re-enter society, after all, not forever ostracized on the fringes of it.


Firearms is a slightly stickier element. I'd lean towards "yes" but I don't want to get into my exact, more nuanced stance because it's really not salient to this thread.

 Maddermax wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
I had to wait about an hour and fifteen minutes but I done did vote and such.

Jesus, why do American elections have such long lines?

It helps to keep too many of the wrong people from voting.

 reds8n wrote:

Spoiler:

legality aside, I'm not sure that the phrasing there means quite what they intended it to.


Or maybe TRump is going to tap into the previously ignored Centaur demographic.

That's funny... and yes, that absolutely illegal.

 whembly wrote:

Nope.

It won't be over.

It's going to be absolutely vicious.

You thought that last 8 years were bad... just wait.

It will be over when the Republican base hits that point of absolute shame where they just can't do this anymore.

Death panels wasn't it.

Birtherism wasn't it.

Donald fething Trump wasn't it.

There is zero chance that it will be blocking Clinton for 4 or 8 years, if she wins today.

Can't see the disfunction ending any time soon, then.

TBF I scrolled past a few stories relating to porn stars offering oral sex in return for not voting Trump.


... There's an expression -- fake Barnum quote IIRC -- about a sucker being born every minute but I'm not sure this is quite what they meant.

 sebster wrote:
It will be over when the Republican base hits that point of absolute shame where they just can't do this anymore.

Death panels wasn't it.

Birtherism wasn't it.

Donald fething Trump wasn't it.

There is zero chance that it will be blocking Clinton for 4 or 8 years, if she wins today.

Can't see the disfunction ending any time soon, then.

You've said this a few times now but man if anything I think you might be underestimating it.

 sebster wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Nope.

It won't be over.

It's going to be absolutely vicious.

You thought that last 8 years were bad... just wait.

It will be over when the Republican base hits that point of absolute shame where they just can't do this anymore.

Death panels wasn't it.

Birtherism wasn't it.

Donald fething Trump wasn't it.

There is zero chance that it will be blocking Clinton for 4 or 8 years, if she wins today.

Can't see the disfunction ending any time soon, then.

If the GOP retains control of Congress... yeah, there's going to be gridlock.

The chances of the Trampeltier seem to be rather low now.
But you never know about the odds. Hello Brexit.

 reds8n wrote:
TBF I scrolled past a few stories relating to porn stars offering oral sex in return for not voting Trump.


... There's an expression -- fake Barnum quote IIRC -- about a sucker being born every minute but I'm not sure this is quite what they meant.

Madonna's a porn star?

It's 2 other ladies. Madonna was joking, I'm pretty sure they aren't.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
TBF I scrolled past a few stories relating to porn stars offering oral sex in return for not voting Trump.


... There's an expression -- fake Barnum quote IIRC -- about a sucker being born every minute but I'm not sure this is quite what they meant.

Madonna's a porn star?

Where have you been?

@reds8n: that's obviously illegal as well... but, much harder to prove.

 sebster wrote:
Vote early, vote often America!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
It's over, thank God it's over!

Two years of hot air and horsegak, wall to wall coverage, which in the end, added up to nothing of any substance....

Canpaigns for the 2018 mid terms start in a day's time.

And now the USA is faced with choosing between a punch on the nose or a kick in the nuts...

Two fething years of this and the false equivalency is still there at the end.

False equivalency?

With all due respect, that's utter horsegak.

The American public is forced with choosing between a woman who took money from a man linked to ISIL i.e Saudi Prince

or a complete and utter buffoon with a loose mouth, and you think that's false equivalency?

It is a terrible choice for the American people....

Also... BOTH candidates have record disapproval ratings.

No matter who wins, this Presidency is going to be ugly and vicious.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
False equivalency?

With all due respect, that's utter horsegak.

The problem with that particular vaporized horse is it doesn't really invite followups. Anyone who still believes "they're both equally bad" really is worth a sigh and a shrug at this point, at best. So, good luck with that, sigh, shrug.

 Ouze wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
False equivalency?

With all due respect, that's utter horsegak.

The problem with that particular vaporized horse is it doesn't really invite followups. Anyone who still believes "they're both equally bad" really is worth a sigh and a shrug at this point, at best. So, good luck with that, sigh, shrug.

You may think so, but it's public knowledge that some of the money donated to the Clinton Foundation came from Saudi Princes linked to ISIL.

I know it, you know it, and HRC certainly knows it.

Why didn't she hand that money back? Take the moral high ground? I made a mistake, I didn't really know about this guy, but now that I know, he can have his money back.

Easy easy easy, and would have drawn a line under it.

But now the whiff of corruption is over her, and will be hanging over her administration from day 1.

Not a good look for a President.

It's tough being President, people are out to get her, no need to shoot herself in the foot.

One thing I'll always remember about this election cycle. The total dismissal by so many, of the legitimate concerns so many have about Hillary Clinton.

Looking at some of the last minute polls.

I still think Clinton wins easily... but, there's something to be said about "hidden Trump voters" that the polls may not accurately reflect...

Not sure I'd buy that, but eh?

Here's a couple of last minute polls:
http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=99839c1f5b2cbb6320408fcb8&id=e8554a1cd7
Pennsylvania
Clinton: 46.51%
Trump: 48.43%
Johnson: 2.30%
Stein: 1.08%
Other/Undecided: 1.69%
(1300+ Respondents, MOE +/- 2.68)

Florida
Clinton: 46.13%
Trump: 49.72%
Johnson: 2.43%
Stein: 0.62%
Other/Undecided: 1.09%
(1100+ Respondents, MOE +/- 2.89)

Michigan
Clinton: 46.82%
Trump: 48.52%
Johnson: 2.89%
Stein: 0.90%
Other/Undecided: 0.87%
(1200+ Respondents, MOE +/- 2.77)

Georgia
Clinton: 45.11%
Trump: 51.58%
Johnson: 1.89%
Stein: 0.42%
Other/Undecided: 0.99%
(1250+ Respondents, MOE +/- 2.76)

I've tried poking holes in that... but, I don't see how Trump wins PA and MI.

Here's a national poll that has trump up 2%, but within MoE:
http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-holds-2-point-lead-over-clinton-as-election-day-arrives-final-ibd-tipp-poll-results/

Seems odd 'cuz in RCP, most other polls has Clinton around +3%.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


But now the whiff of corruption is over her, and will be hanging over her administration from day 1.

The whif? The stench has been waking people from a coma it's so strong.

 djones520 wrote:
One thing I'll always remember about this election cycle. The total dismissal by so many, of the legitimate concerns so many have about Hillary Clinton.

Yup.

Ya'know... I follows the same cycle.

With Obama... any criticisms is because of racism.

With Clinton... any criticisms is because of sexism.

Just watch.


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 djones520 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


But now the whiff of corruption is over her, and will be hanging over her administration from day 1.

The whif? The stench has been waking people from a coma it's so strong.

Dammit d! I just spat out my drink!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
took money from a man linked to ISIL i.e Saudi Prince
.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/05/mps-to-urge-ban-on-uk-arms-sales-to-saudi-arabia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_foreign_assistance



Think you'll find an awful lot of people have taken an awful lot of money from the very big Saudi royal family.

 djones520 wrote:
One thing I'll always remember about this election cycle. The total dismissal by so many, of the legitimate concerns so many have about Hillary Clinton.

I'm not dismissing that specific concern, but the "they're both equally bad" meme. I find that idea to be eminently dismissible and to be honest I think you do too. Even if you won't vote for her, I bet you don't find them equally bad.

 djones520 wrote:
One thing I'll always remember about this election cycle. The total dismissal by so many, of the legitimate concerns so many have about Hillary Clinton.

There are legitimate concerns? I can't seem to find any while looking through this huge pile of fabricated 'scandals' that have been constantly spewed for the last 25 years...