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Hmmm, as long as my disability is not messed with, and he stays true to NOT advancing the TPP, and his friendlier tone with Russia, thus avoiding Nuclear War we can see how effective or not he will be.
With Hillary we faced the TPP passing, pipelines, and potential nuclear showdown with Russia, and her looking to make social security retirement a investor/ponzi scheme, just so her Wall street buddies could sink their fangs into that as well charging their crazy fees.
Hillbots will be sullen and lashing out if certain words trigger them. All I have to say for the Dem party is had they not tried to force a "coronation" down our throats and played a fair primary and had Bernie up, they may have seen victory instead of defeat tonight. The fault lays at their feet for rigging/fixing the primaries and pulling a host of other un-democratic crap.
Now we shall see how the American Empire fares.
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I have kept largely out of this conversation while reading it from the beginning because as an American this is deeply important to me. Now that it is all over I just wanted to voice my frustrations and observations...
I think that this election shows that we have finally reached the breaking point of ignoring so many of the realities that are facing so many people in America. People voted because they were sick of the status quo, they are sick of the fact that the middle class is in free fall, that industry is leaving this country and we are left with so many unemployed or under employed citizens. It is my personal belief that Trump is not going to fix any of these issues, but he made some bold statements about how these were things he was going to fight and in doing so won over so many people who were angry at the state of the country. You can tell people all day long how much better things were getting under Obama but when most people didn't see any of that change in their lives it was easy for them to ignore it. Almost all of the economic recovery has been focused at the top, while very few people were seeing much if any benefit from it. A vote for Trump was more symbolic than anything. Most Trump supporters I have talked to were not really all that enthusiastic about him but they were even more disgusted with Hillary because she does for better or worse represent a very inside politician who in their eyes would have just kept things the way that they are.
It is almost like the Obama effect. Many people voted for Obama because he was a young, short termed politician who represented change to so many people that wanted this country to change its course. Whether you like him or not he was exactly what Trump was, a vote for the disenfranchised and forgotten that want things to get better. There are so many people who feel like they have been left behind in this country, myself included. I recently had to leave the industry I had spent ten years working in and spent $50k on a degree for because there was no future for myself and my family in it. I have felt hopeless for most of my adult life because I just don't see things getting better for myself, my friends, or anyone around me. I didn't vote for Trump. I could not stomach him and you know what? Hillary was really not much better when it came to the things I want to see changed. She was a much better option in my opinion but she wasn't a good option.
I do not like Trump one bit but I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt that all his bluster and scandalous messages were all just bravado to energize his base. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt because doing anything else is far to depressing and I have to hold some kind of hope that maybe some good can come out of this situation. Maybe Trump wasn't lying when he said he wanted to restructure the tax code because it benefited the rich and they he knew better than anyone because he took advantage of it. Maybe he really can bring about positive changes in this field. I think we can all safely agree that his wall proposition is DOA because there is no way to get the entirety of government to agree to the almost war like methods needed to force Mexico to pay. His inflaming rhetoric is likely just that, all talk. Trump knows exactly what to say and when to say it and I have no doubt that half the crap that he said was just to energize his base.
I really wish that we as Americans could stop with this childish cheerleading where one side rubs it in the face of the other when they win. I really wish that we could all stop acting like anyone who disagrees with them wants to destroy the country or even the world. We are all human beings, we all have more in common at the end of the day then we have that separates us and I really want us to focus on those things we have in common. Democrats have pie in the sky ideals about how to save the world with little regard to the realities that they face. Republicans are so ground in reality that they are hesitant to even think about what could be rather than what is. We need Democrats to put forth their grand ideas and for Republicans to ground them in reality. That is working together, that is cooperation. When was the last time we had something even remotely this close? It is all just bitter anger at one another, blame being slung at the opposition without stopping for a second to realize that they are talking to a human being with a family, hopes and dreams, and all they want is to be heard.
Let's be honest here, Trump doesn't have the power to do almost anything that he has put forth. It was all pandering like all presidents have done in the past, grand standing on issues that end up being forgotten and tossed aside. With that in mind, can we please just come together and make the best of what we have been given?
ISIS is making a tremendous amount of money because of the oil that they took away, they have some in Syria, they have some in Iraq, I would bomb the gak out of them.
I would just bomb those suckers, and that's right, I'd blow up the pipes, I'd blow up the refineries, I'd blow up ever single inch, there would be nothing left.
And you know what, you'll get Exxon to come in there, and in two months, you ever see these guys? How good they are, the great oil companies, they'll rebuild it brand new... And I'll take the oil.
-Donald Trump
You can find quotes for and against anything in Trump's random ramblings but we know for a fact Hillary is an active instigator of strife in the middle east.
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Breotan wrote: Oh, I suggest everyone stay away from any comments section on the internet for a week at least. You'll likely not have seen anything as toxic as what'll be posted there the next few days.
I Got my Facebook on my Laptop
Twitter on my phone,
Tumblr on my Tablet
And enough energy drinks to kill a lesser man.
Im ready to read it all.
Dude i've been reading twitter and facebook. While i had no strong feelings for either candidate the absolute 'oh gak' from hillary supporters is honestly kinda funny. After how much trump got slammed as well as his supporters i think it's a just F*** you! to them. In the case of the more normal voters i do apologize but the ones that shamed people endlessly for voting their choice really deserve this sort of blood boiling moment.
Oh and i didn't vote but i find the results interesting. I'm guessing the all too typical sexist, misogynist, racist, bigoted, etc., etc. lines will keep coming. I feel sorry for my democrat voting friends that didn't get worked into a frenzy over this though.
The great irony is that, but for the hysteria over Trump, I honestly don't think he could have won.
It's fantastical: on the Conservative side people have been arguing for the better part of a year that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump. That they are both liberal, New York elitists who are 'unacceptably liberal' to hardline conservatives on matters of abortion, homosexuality and so on.
It takes a special kind of silly to claim that a man whose children are all either Jewish themselves or married to Jews* is the thin edge of the wedge of Jew Hatred. Yet there was no shortage of media outlets ready to claim the man that endorsed Bibi Netanyahu in 2013(!) "Has Gone Full Blown Hitler".
Many in the media decided they needed to abandon objectivity in covering Trump. Today trust in media is at a historic low, and DJ Trump is President Elect of the United States of America.
*Which means, incidentally, all of DJ Trumps grandchildren are Jews.
The actual answer in that scenario is "we do not know if they did or did not target conservative groups" (even though they very evidently did, by telling people to look for the words "tea party" "patriot" and "9/11" given how much conservative groups like hounding those particular terms). How many groups in total were investigated, or what percentage the targeted were, is kind of irrelevant.
They also targeted groups with 'liberal' or 'green' in their names. They went looking for groups that weren't meeting the charity definitions because of political activity, how can you not end up targeting political groups?
Ultimately, the IRS was left in a really crap position of having to administer a charitable exemption that was sure to drag them in to politics. They didn't handle it well, but the claims of persecuting conservative groups only is pure Republican fantasy.
I didn't say they persecuted anyone.
If I've learned anything from today its that in a world of manufactured outrage words simultaneously do and don't matter.
shasolenzabi wrote: nd her looking to make social security retirement a investor/ponzi scheme, just so her Wall street buddies could sink their fangs into that as well charging their crazy fees.
...
You do realize that privatizing social security has been a republican policy proposal, right? And now we just handed the entire federal government to the republican party.
Hillbots will be sullen and lashing out if certain words trigger them. All I have to say for the Dem party is had they not tried to force a "coronation" down our throats and played a fair primary and had Bernie up, they may have seen victory instead of defeat tonight. The fault lays at their feet for rigging/fixing the primaries and pulling a host of other un-democratic crap.
Yeah, the "rigging" of the primaries that had several million more people vote for Clinton instead of Sanders. Trump didn't win because the democrats picked the wrong opponent, he won because Trump's angry mob will vote for anyone who promises to hate the right people and magically make everything perfect again, no matter how obviously unqualified for the job they are. The fact that Trump got even 5% of the vote should be considered a national embarrassment, no matter who he was running against.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Breotan wrote: Oh, I suggest everyone stay away from any comments section on the internet for a week at least. You'll likely not have seen anything as toxic as what'll be posted there the next few days.
I Got my Facebook on my Laptop
Twitter on my phone,
Tumblr on my Tablet
And enough energy drinks to kill a lesser man.
Im ready to read it all.
Dude i've been reading twitter and facebook. While i had no strong feelings for either candidate the absolute 'oh gak' from hillary supporters is honestly kinda funny. After how much trump got slammed as well as his supporters i think it's a just F*** you! to them. In the case of the more normal voters i do apologize but the ones that shamed people endlessly for voting their choice really deserve this sort of blood boiling moment.
Oh and i didn't vote but i find the results interesting. I'm guessing the all too typical sexist, misogynist, racist, bigoted, etc., etc. lines will keep coming. I feel sorry for my democrat voting friends that didn't get worked into a frenzy over this though.
The great irony is that, but for the hysteria over Trump, I honestly don't think he could have won.
It's fantastical: on the Conservative side people have been arguing for the better part of a year that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump. That they are both liberal, New York elitists who are 'unacceptably liberal' to hardline conservatives on matters of abortion, homosexuality and so on.
It takes a special kind of silly to claim that a man whose children are all either Jewish themselves or married to Jews* is the thin edge of the wedge of Jew Hatred. Yet there was no shortage of media outlets ready to claim the man that endorsed Bibi Netanyahu in 2013(!) "Has Gone Full Blown Hitler".
Many in the media decided they needed to abandon objectivity in covering Trump. Today trust in media is at a historic low, and DJ Trump is President Elect of the United States of America.
*Which means, incidentally, all of DJ Trumps grandchildren are Jews.
My inlaws adopted black children and have mixed grand children, that doesn't keep them from being racist as feth.
Will the democrats take a hard look at themselves and get rid of the corruption like Clinton, or just blame the FBI?
Probably just blame the FBI.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
Breotan wrote: Oh, I suggest everyone stay away from any comments section on the internet for a week at least. You'll likely not have seen anything as toxic as what'll be posted there the next few days.
I Got my Facebook on my Laptop
Twitter on my phone,
Tumblr on my Tablet
And enough energy drinks to kill a lesser man.
Im ready to read it all.
Dude i've been reading twitter and facebook. While i had no strong feelings for either candidate the absolute 'oh gak' from hillary supporters is honestly kinda funny. After how much trump got slammed as well as his supporters i think it's a just F*** you! to them. In the case of the more normal voters i do apologize but the ones that shamed people endlessly for voting their choice really deserve this sort of blood boiling moment.
Oh and i didn't vote but i find the results interesting. I'm guessing the all too typical sexist, misogynist, racist, bigoted, etc., etc. lines will keep coming. I feel sorry for my democrat voting friends that didn't get worked into a frenzy over this though.
The great irony is that, but for the hysteria over Trump, I honestly don't think he could have won.
It's fantastical: on the Conservative side people have been arguing for the better part of a year that there is no difference between Hillary and Trump. That they are both liberal, New York elitists who are 'unacceptably liberal' to hardline conservatives on matters of abortion, homosexuality and so on.
It takes a special kind of silly to claim that a man whose children are all either Jewish themselves or married to Jews* is the thin edge of the wedge of Jew Hatred. Yet there was no shortage of media outlets ready to claim the man that endorsed Bibi Netanyahu in 2013(!) "Has Gone Full Blown Hitler".
Many in the media decided they needed to abandon objectivity in covering Trump. Today trust in media is at a historic low, and DJ Trump is President Elect of the United States of America.
*Which means, incidentally, all of DJ Trumps grandchildren are Jews.
My inlaws adopted black children and have mixed grand children, that doesn't keep them from being racist as feth.
Well, unless your allegation is that your in-laws are abusing said children... yeah, I think it, in fact, does. Unless you are defining "racist" in some fashion that does not preclude providing a loving home for children... which would be rather weird.
That said, you're not actually making an argument: the available evidence is that (as one might imagine for someone in the NY real estate markets), Trump has no antipathy towards Jews. Indeed that he very probably is favorably inclined towards Jews.
Is it possible it's all a long con? Sure, but it's equally possible that he himself converted to Judaism.
shasolenzabi wrote: Hmmm, as long as my disability is not messed with, and he stays true to NOT advancing the TPP, and his friendlier tone with Russia, thus avoiding Nuclear War we can see how effective or not he will be.
Are you rich? If not expect cuts to your wallet. Big cuts. Trump will make make rich even bigger by cutting their taxes so that money has to come from middle class and lower class. And if you want to avoid nuclear war anybody but Trump would be your choice.
You know whats going to be funny? His Inaugural Address, and every speech after that one. His speech impediment, and his lack of vocabulary is hilarious.
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I will forever remain humble because I know I could have less.
I will always be grateful because I remember I've had less.
The truly great irony of all this is that it is precisely the anti-democratic elements of the Democratic party that made it possibly for Hillary to gain the nomination. I think it extremely likely that any other Democratic nominee would have won.
In a way, I suppose DJ Trump's thanks ought really to flow to Wasserman-Schultz and the rest of the DNC establishment. But for them we might be remembering the victory speech of elect Sanders...
shasolenzabi wrote: Hmmm, as long as my disability is not messed with, and he stays true to NOT advancing the TPP, and his friendlier tone with Russia, thus avoiding Nuclear War we can see how effective or not he will be.
Are you rich? If not expect cuts to your wallet. Big cuts. Trump will make make rich even bigger by cutting their taxes so that money has to come from middle class and lower class. And if you want to avoid nuclear war anybody but Trump would be your choice.
To be fair, the GOP usually never bothers to offset their tax cuts.
d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
If one evinced hostility towards those relations, that's true. But given the obvious depth of feeling between Trump and his Jewish relations, you must provide more then the mere possibility of a thing.
I'll also note you have cunningly elided his Netanyahu endorsement. Again, part of the long con?
Let me just congratulate the USA for officially making clear to the world that Gdub, CLinton or Obama (according to your lilking) were NOT the worst presidents the USA could come up with.
Good job!
On a serious note: Gdub had all his daddy's old friends to keep his frail intellect in check. His problems were also not an inflated ego and inability to listen to advice.
Trump on the other hand...
From a political science point of view I am very excited about seeing how a single despotic, immoral and egotistical rich maniac will change the democratic system of the USA - or how the system will hold him in checks and nothing really happens except that the republican agenda will be rolled out.
On a personal level, I I am afraid what this will do to the country of my friends and family in the States.
People wanted change, and that is what they got. But the country also seems to be more divided than ever, on a much more instable course.
d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
The irony here is that the term "self-hating jew" was first written about in reference to Russian Jews who joined ranks with the Bolsheviks (who were incredibly anti-semitic).
And that's all beside the point really, because anti-semitism isn't really the racism Trump gets labeled with. The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
d-usa wrote: To be fair, the GOP usually never bothers to offset their tax cuts.
I bet all that worrying about the debt ceiling is magically solved and all the outrage about spending more than we make disappears when it's time to pass those tax cuts.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
The irony here is that the term "self-hating jew" was first written about in reference to Russian Jews who joined ranks with the Bolsheviks (who were incredibly anti-semitic).
And that's all beside the point really, because anti-semitism isn't really the racism Trump gets labeled with. The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
Yeah, he's pandering more to the anti-Semitic element of his coalition rather than having much anti-Semitic tendencies himself.
d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
The irony here is that the term "self-hating jew" was first written about in reference to Russian Jews who joined ranks with the Bolsheviks (who were incredibly anti-semitic).
And that's all beside the point really, because anti-semitism isn't really the racism Trump gets labeled with. The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
Ah, but therein lies the rub: as a Jew I will propose that Jews and Muslims are, in fact, not the same. Having different characteristics they are, therefore, different.
It's also worth pointing out that there is a vast amount of media that is, in fact, claiming that Trump will (somehow) be bad for the Jews.
shasolenzabi wrote: nd her looking to make social security retirement a investor/ponzi scheme, just so her Wall street buddies could sink their fangs into that as well charging their crazy fees.
...
You do realize that privatizing social security has been a republican policy proposal, right? And now we just handed the entire federal government to the republican party.
Hillbots will be sullen and lashing out if certain words trigger them. All I have to say for the Dem party is had they not tried to force a "coronation" down our throats and played a fair primary and had Bernie up, they may have seen victory instead of defeat tonight. The fault lays at their feet for rigging/fixing the primaries and pulling a host of other un-democratic crap.
Yeah, the "rigging" of the primaries that had several million more people vote for Clinton instead of Sanders. Trump didn't win because the democrats picked the wrong opponent, he won because Trump's angry mob will vote for anyone who promises to hate the right people and magically make everything perfect again, no matter how obviously unqualified for the job they are. The fact that Trump got even 5% of the vote should be considered a national embarrassment, no matter who he was running against.
The "Rigging" was the media controlling the narrative to make it seem like Bernie was losing heavily and had no chance against the GOP. Little things like most of the DNC delegate counts on TV showing all the super delegates for Hillary made the numbers look daunting for Sanders when those delegates where up in the air until the conference. The DNC leaked emails showed how they favored Clinton and pushed hard to get the media to spin a narrative favoring Clinton and go against Bernie. Garbage like the Clinton Campaign hiring Debbie Wasserman Schultz the day she stepped down from the DNC chair position in light of the leaks was a giant middle finger to the entire Bernie movement. I voted for Bernie in the primaries and i begrudgingly voted for Clinton in the election (VA) but the actions of the DNC have not been lost on me. I will not forget that, i will not forgive them. The Dems need to clean house in the DNC and people like DWS need their head put on a political spike as an example of not tolerating favoring insider politics over the will of the people. If Clinton won with a higher vote then fine but let the democratic process play out evenhandedly and not force a media narrative to fit an agenda.
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d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
The irony here is that the term "self-hating jew" was first written about in reference to Russian Jews who joined ranks with the Bolsheviks (who were incredibly anti-semitic).
And that's all beside the point really, because anti-semitism isn't really the racism Trump gets labeled with. The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
Yeah, he's pandering more to the anti-Semitic element of his coalition rather than having much anti-Semitic tendencies himself.
Fascinating. So, is it simply that White Nationalists are so very stupid that they don't notice Trump's favored child is very, very Jewish?
Or is this subterranean Jew Hatred more insidious? Is it only clear to people that know the lingo, eh?
LordofHats wrote: . The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
The irony being Hitler didn't really have a problem with Muslims. Sure, he thought they were beneath Aryans but as long as they weren't invading Europe he didn't really care. It was a bonus that Muslims also don't like Jews, so much so that a bunch of them signed up for the Waffen SS.
d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
The irony here is that the term "self-hating jew" was first written about in reference to Russian Jews who joined ranks with the Bolsheviks (who were incredibly anti-semitic).
And that's all beside the point really, because anti-semitism isn't really the racism Trump gets labeled with. The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
Yeah, he's pandering more to the anti-Semitic element of his coalition rather than having much anti-Semitic tendencies himself.
Fascinating. So, is it simply that White Nationalists are so very stupid that they don't notice Trump's favored child is very, very Jewish?
d-usa wrote: The evidence is that having x as relatives doesn't mean that you can't be racist against x.
The irony here is that the term "self-hating jew" was first written about in reference to Russian Jews who joined ranks with the Bolsheviks (who were incredibly anti-semitic).
And that's all beside the point really, because anti-semitism isn't really the racism Trump gets labeled with. The "Hitler" comparisons revolve around his comments about Muslims, not Jews.
Ah, but therein lies the rub: as a Jew I will propose that Jews and Muslims are, in fact, not the same. Having different characteristics they are, therefore, different.
It's also worth pointing out that there is a vast amount of media that is, in fact, claiming that Trump will (somehow) be bad for the Jews.
And?
Hitler didn't just persecute the Jews, and we're not really limited to only comparing Hitler to other things with anti-semitism is involved.
And yes. Of course people are saying Trump can turn out badly for Jews. He got the support of the KKK (anti-semitic), and the American Nazi Party (anti-semitic). What Trump himself thinks isn't the end all of that issue. Trump has politically legitimized (regardless of his intentions) white nationalism in a new era. One where many hoped that such undercurrents in US politics were slowly dying.
EDIT: And to be specific, White Nationalism in this context refers to White Christian European Supremacy.
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"At the moment, I am convinced America is doomed beyond all hope of redemption, and any talk of the future fills me with dread and horror."
"I do not know how I feel. My reaction is: what is America thinking? How could he get hold of the country? I am afraid our way of life is about to change drastically."
“We can’t let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Let’s fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.”
You'd be forgiven for thinking these have all been made in the past few hours, but they're all from 2012 when Obama won (the third one is from 2008 I believe). The last one is from Trump himself in 2012.
All overreactions to nothing. Dubya didn't suspend elections and become the Eternal President of America (or Hitler, as he was so often called). Obama didn't march everyone into FEMA death camps to be forcibly converted to Communist Islam whilst stealing all their guns!!! Trump isn't going to start launching nukes at Mecca.
People need to grow some fething perspective.
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