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tneva82 wrote: Some thing you haven't considered. They raise gas tax. This hurts poor(and middle class) big time. This mean they have to cut their spendings elsewhere. This means goverment tax income from OTHER sources drops. This will lead they will have to balance that. How? Most likely solution...Take money earned by gas tax increase.
You've touched on something that's got a touch of truth to it, but applied it so that really doesn't work at all. I mean yeah, sure, whenever a person is taxed that's money they won't spend on something else. But you exaggerate this effect to a crazy level, where it seems to reduce incomes and then consumption by more than the tax.
It's not as easy as "just raise the taxes". If you try to take money from poor like you they don't have much to take, if you take more from rich they will tend to find other ways to avoid it anyway legally and even then there's less to be gained from rich than one things
The issue of tax avoidance amongst the rich is way over-stated. Sure it exists, but the tax accountants employed by rich people aren't wizards. Right now in the US the top 1% pay just a tick under half of all income taxes. This is because they can do some things to avoid some taxes, but there still remains about a trillion in more taxes they can't avoid.
(fun fact. If one would take every money from every rich finn every year leaving them 0€ per year that would still not fix Finland's budget issue...Problem being rich have money but not many are rich)
To be a fact you need details beyond 'rich'. Where is the cut off, people earning a billion a year, people earning $200k, or people who hold a large amount of wealth? Without that kind of detail you haven't actually said anything.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
feeder wrote: My two decades of building experience showed me the trades are populated by a handful of very smart, clever people leading a horde of dregs that are dumb as rocks.
Persons of middling ability don't last on site. They're too smart to tolerate being a dreg, but not quick enough to be one of the leaders.
They may not be mensa members but in my experience they're smart enough to learn a skill that earns them a nice paycheck and the superintendents know their stuff more often than not although when you find one of he inept ones it truly disastrous. Construction is a tough business to be in so the ones that last tend to be smart but there's always a bunch that are here today and gone tomorrow.
The miners I know have a fair sized reserve of common sense as well as intelligence. Working in an enviornment where a piece of cave wall can suddenly break loose, shoot across the cave and crush a person tends to make the ones working the job observant and mindful of their actions.
feeder wrote: My two decades of building experience showed me the trades are populated by a handful of very smart, clever people leading a horde of dregs that are dumb as rocks.
Persons of middling ability don't last on site. They're too smart to tolerate being a dreg, but not quick enough to be one of the leaders.
They may not be mensa members but in my experience they're smart enough to learn a skill that earns them a nice paycheck and the superintendents know their stuff more often than not although when you find one of he inept ones it truly disastrous. Construction is a tough business to be in so the ones that last tend to be smart but there's always a bunch that are here today and gone tomorrow.
Oh yeah, i was referring to the leaders "in the trenches". The lead hands, the foremen.
I agree that a good super is half your crew, but a bad super is your whole crew though
Actually, a well developed crew is your crew with a super just popping in ever now and then to let them know what the company needs.
I think there's something to be said that most people are intelligent, but different groups overly (i.e. falsely) value different kinds of intelligence while undervaluing (falsely) others.
I've met educated people who think that having gone to college imparts on them a special insight into just about anything. One of my favorite instances was a guy I knew with a philosophy degree, who felt that was appropriate support from which to argue that economy could not only afford a raise to a $15 minimum wage, but that it should be law that all people be paid no less than $40,000 a year. As awesome as that would be, somehow I don't think it would work out as well as he thinks and sorry Joe but your philosophy degree does not make you an expert on economics so waving the fact you have one isn't really helping.
I've met farmers who think that not being educated not only makes them smarter, but imparts them with great and illusive "common sense" that no "book learning" ever taught anyone. Common sense he then used to petition for an open air firing range withing 25 yards of a residential neighborhood, while his farm is seated right above the local aquifer from which everyone in the immediate area gets their drinking water. When it was proposed by the people in the residential neighborhood ("non-locals" mostly educated) that drink lead poisoned water was bad for you he said he'd just build a concrete wall instead of a dirt mound. This is within 25 yards of a residential area remember. One resident, a former Army Colonel, failed to explain to how ricochet's work because he was a "liberal carpet bagger come to take all the guns."
The issue isn't really smart vs not smart. The farmer probably knows way more about dairy cows than I ever will (probably more about guns to, even if he is disturbingly irresponsible in how he thinks bullets work). And Joe probably knows way more about Transcendental philosophy than I'll ever be able to keep up with. The problem is that they both overly value what intelligence and knowledge they do have, and leverage that into thinking they have special insights into other issues from which they then cast judgements on others.
Maybe people can just stop doing that all around eh? EDIT: Not directed specifically at you Relapse, your post is just what brought all this to mind.
This is one of the best posts I've seen on dakkadakka in awhile.
sebster wrote: This isn't looking at existing districts, but at the impact of re-districting. I might be mistaken, but I don't think you can't take look at the district boundaries, realise they've become unfair over time, and take it to court. This is about observing the impact of new district boundaries and seeing if they've become more unfair than what was in place before then.
I suppose that's a point, if all you're concerned about is new district boundaries then you can take a single set of voting data from the most recent election and see how different lines would divide it. But the inability to handle with the existing serious gerrymandering problems we have makes it a test of fairly limited value.
I can't see how this impacts on third party voting as well. The test won't work for parties that fail to win seats (so every vote is wasted), and yeah the test works best with two parties. But failing to have a special consideration for minor parties is not the same thing as actively harming them.
Failing to work for parties that don't win (state or national level) seats is the whole point. If you assume that every party is equal under the law then you'll find that there is significant "gerrymandering" for, say, the republican party vs. the libertarian party. The simple test only works if you declare that any party which fails to win seats has failed because it is not a legitimate party, not because it is temporarily unpopular or has been too successfully gerrymandered against. And that's a problem.
It doesn't. It assumes that the wasted votes for one side should be roughly equal to the wasted votes for the other side. So it is okay with there being some districts that vote 80% blue, but only if a proportionate number of districts for the red team are also won with 80% votes. That's the clever thing about the formula, it takes the wasted votes for each side and then compares those two numbers. If both sides have 40% 'wasted' votes, there's no problem. But if one party has 50% wasted votes and the other side has 30% wasted votes, then it's pretty clear that the new district boundaries have a strong gerrymander.
Ok, here's an example. Let's say we have a state with a single major city that votes 80/20 democrat, while the rest of the state is rural with a 50/50 split. Now let's draw some simple districts: a close approximation (following the borders of what most people consider "the city") of a circle around the city, and a north-south line (with small detours so no town is split by the line) dividing the rest of the state into an east district and a west district.
The conventional understanding of gerrymandering says that this is a pretty fair solution. Regardless of which party is favored the district lines follow borders that make sense based on who lives there, and there are no weird shapes designed to carefully select which voters are in which district. This district plan should survive a court challenge.
The "wasted votes" model says that this is a heavily gerrymandered solution. The democrats have a much higher percentage of "wasted" votes, and the only way to solve it is to split up the city into sections, each paired with some republican-leaning rural areas. Now the state's representatives are no longer associated with any sensible region of the state, and have to represent the likely-conflicting interests of their rural and urban voters. And of course it only gets worse if you try to reach parity in "wasted" votes instead of reducing the disparity. To do that you'd have to make a special republican-majority district out of some of the 50/50 rural area, gerrymandering some weird arbitrary shape to get the math right. Now instead of having "natural" district shapes and letting the voters decide you've essentially had the two major parties split up the state so that each side is entitled to half the seats. IOW, you've made the problem worse.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Future War Cultist wrote: Did I hear right, that some electors are going to refuse to back Trump and thus cost him the presidency?
No. A lot of people want this to happen, but it's wishful thinking. The electors are not required to vote for the candidate who won the popular vote in their state and can in theory vote for whoever they want, but in practice electors are picked from party loyalists and almost never change their vote. In an average year it's usually 0-1 vote out of 538 that changes, and you have to go back to 1896 to find an election where more than one changed. Trump might break the trend and raise that number because he's so awful, but there is essentially zero chance of enough votes changing to make Clinton president.
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices.
Future War Cultist wrote: Did I hear right, that some electors are going to refuse to back Trump and thus cost him the presidency?
There are three electors pledged to him who say they will not cast their vote for Trump and are calling for other electors to join them in finding a different Republican candidate.
They are not sufficient to cost him the election unless more of the college swings, either to back some other Republican (highly unlikely), or the Republican sworn Electors split, and Hillary ends up with a plurality (unlikely, and irrelevant because without a majority the decision just falls into the House to make the choice).
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Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Politico confirmed his resignation following requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” Hirsh wrote in a public Facebook post. “Here are his two addresses.”
The Daily Caller News Foundation redacted the home addresses.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
sebster wrote: To be a fact you need details beyond 'rich'. Where is the cut off, people earning a billion a year, people earning $200k, or people who hold a large amount of wealth? Without that kind of detail you haven't actually said anything.
Don't recall exact sum but it was low 6 digits a year if even that.
Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Politico confirmed his resignation following requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” Hirsh wrote in a public Facebook post. “Here are his two addresses.”
The Daily Caller News Foundation redacted the home addresses.
Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Politico confirmed his resignation following requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” Hirsh wrote in a public Facebook post. “Here are his two addresses.”
The Daily Caller News Foundation redacted the home addresses.
LordofHats wrote: Mathematically the "Wasted Votes" standard, is much more straight forward and easier to understand. The sad thing about math is that the more complicated it becomes, the less people understand it, and the less they give a damn what it says. And math is one of those areas where you either get it or you don't.
Yeah... that's my sense too...
I'm actually intrigued by that WI system. It's not perfect by a long shot, but it seems way better than the old 'pack em crack em' method.
Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Politico confirmed his resignation following requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” Hirsh wrote in a public Facebook post. “Here are his two addresses.”
The Daily Caller News Foundation redacted the home addresses.
Republicans in Wisconsin tilted district maps in their favor in order to hamper Democrats and ultimately win state elections in 2012 and 2014, a federal court said on Monday in a case that could influence future rulings on gerrymandering.
The United States District Court for the Western District of Wisconsin decided 2-1 that Act 43, a redrawing of districts approved by the state's Republican-led legislature in 2012, violated the U.S. Constitution, court documents showed.
"We find that the discriminatory effect is not explained by the political geography of Wisconsin nor is it justified by a legitimate state interest," the court wrote in its ruling.
The case has no bearing on Donald Trump's victory in Wisconsin in the presidential election on Nov. 8, in which he defeated Democrat Hillary Clinton.
Wisconsin Attorney General Brad Schimel said in a statement that he planned to appeal, which would send the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.
A ruling there on gerrymandering - the practice of manipulating electoral boundaries for political advantage - could have wide implications across the country as similar cases in Maryland and North Carolina work their way through lower courts.
"This is a big victory for those who want to see courts rein in partisan gerrymandering. But it is anybody’s guess what happens to this when it gets to the Supreme Court," wrote Richard Hasen, an elections law expert at the University of California, Irvine, on his blog.
Since 2010, Republicans have more than doubled their control of state legislatures. They now control both legislative chambers in a record 32 states, the New York Times reported.
"Republicans win elections because we have better candidates and a better message that continues to resonate with the voters," said Republican Assembly Speaker Robin Vos in a statement.
Twelve Wisconsin voters argued in their lawsuit that Republicans redrew maps in 2011 to divide Democratic voters so they fall short of a majority in districts and to concentrate Democratic voters into districts so they win by overwhelming margins and dilute votes of Democrats statewide, according to the ruling.
Also In Politics
Despite receiving 51 percent of the votes statewide in 2012, Democrats won only 39 of 99 Assembly seats. In 2014, Republicans won roughly the same percentage of votes statewide, but won 63 seats, a 24-seat disparity, judges wrote.
The Wisconsin case hinged on a new way to measure the discriminatory effect of gerrymandering. The "efficiency gap" measure found the redistricting in Wisconsin caused Democrats to waste more votes than Republicans.
The measure gives judges "a clear threshold for deciding what is acceptable”, Barry Burden, the director of the Elections Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, told the New York Times.
(Reporting by Brendan O'Brien; Editing by Mark Trevelyan)
Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
I mean... this isn't a case of someone trying to paint a group of people with a large and potentially broad brush and denouncing them for it (i.e., all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, etc).
This guy is a bona fide Nazi. Hasn't America made beating the gak out of Nazis part of its national identity?
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Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
I mean... this isn't a case of someone trying to paint a group of people with a large and potentially broad brush and denouncing them for it (i.e., all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, etc).
This guy is a bona fide Nazi. Hasn't America made beating the gak out of Nazis part of its national identity?
Doxxing is aways bad. This isn't hard.
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Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
I mean... this isn't a case of someone trying to paint a group of people with a large and potentially broad brush and denouncing them for it (i.e., all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, etc).
This guy is a bona fide Nazi. Hasn't America made beating the gak out of Nazis part of its national identity?
And now the next time some alt-right troll publishes somebody's home address, they can go 'hurr, well, they did it to Richard Spencer'.
As much as I hate Illinois Nazis, vigilantism and extrajudicial violence are bad. None of us are Batman. If we can get him on the phone to dangle a few people out windows, I'm listening, but...
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Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Politico confirmed his resignation following requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” Hirsh wrote in a public Facebook post. “Here are his two addresses.”
The Daily Caller News Foundation redacted the home addresses.
Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
I mean... this isn't a case of someone trying to paint a group of people with a large and potentially broad brush and denouncing them for it (i.e., all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, etc).
This guy is a bona fide Nazi. Hasn't America made beating the gak out of Nazis part of its national identity?
And now the next time some alt-right troll publishes somebody's home address, they can go 'hurr, well, they did it to Richard Spencer'.
As much as I hate Illinois Nazis, vigilantism and extrajudicial violence are bad. None of us are Batman. If we can get him on the phone to dangle a few people out windows, I'm listening, but...
Well, that already happened when Lou Dobbs tweeted the telephone number and address of Jessica Leeds, one of Trumps accusers. And Trump did it himself to Lindsey Graham last year.
And notice that while the Politico editor stepped down, Lou Dobbs still has his job.
These people were already refusing to play by the "rules," such as they are.
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Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
I mean... this isn't a case of someone trying to paint a group of people with a large and potentially broad brush and denouncing them for it (i.e., all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, etc).
This guy is a bona fide Nazi. Hasn't America made beating the gak out of Nazis part of its national identity?
And now the next time some alt-right troll publishes somebody's home address, they can go 'hurr, well, they did it to Richard Spencer'.
As much as I hate Illinois Nazis, vigilantism and extrajudicial violence are bad. None of us are Batman. If we can get him on the phone to dangle a few people out windows, I'm listening, but...
Well, that already happened when Lou Dobbs tweeted the telephone number and address of Jessica Leeds, one of Trumps accusers. And Trump did it himself to Lindsey Graham last year.
And notice that while the Politico editor stepped down, Lou Dobbs still has his job.
These people were already refusing to play by the "rules," such as they are.
And all of these actions should be condemned and punished. That's the same 'logic' Trump used to suggest we torture people and execute the family members of ISIS fighters. 'The bad guys do it too' is not a compelling reason to do something wrong.
Stop making me defend the freakin' Nazi. I just took a shower and I feel like I need to scrub myself clean again.
Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
I mean... this isn't a case of someone trying to paint a group of people with a large and potentially broad brush and denouncing them for it (i.e., all Trump supporters are racists, bigots, etc).
This guy is a bona fide Nazi. Hasn't America made beating the gak out of Nazis part of its national identity?
And now the next time some alt-right troll publishes somebody's home address, they can go 'hurr, well, they did it to Richard Spencer'.
As much as I hate Illinois Nazis, vigilantism and extrajudicial violence are bad. None of us are Batman. If we can get him on the phone to dangle a few people out windows, I'm listening, but...
Well, that already happened when Lou Dobbs tweeted the telephone number and address of Jessica Leeds, one of Trumps accusers. And Trump did it himself to Lindsey Graham last year.
And notice that while the Politico editor stepped down, Lou Dobbs still has his job.
These people were already refusing to play by the "rules," such as they are.
And all of these actions should be condemned and punished. That's the same 'logic' Trump used to suggest we torture people and execute the family members of ISIS fighters. 'The bad guys do it too' is not a compelling reason to do something wrong.
Stop making me defend the freakin' Nazi. I just took a shower and I feel like I need to scrub myself clean again.
This guy gets it.
Also, doxxing isn't only dangerous for the target, but also anyone exposed to the target.
And all of these actions should be condemned and punished. That's the same 'logic' Trump used to suggest we torture people and execute the family members of ISIS fighters. 'The bad guys do it too' is not a compelling reason to do something wrong.
We can drop the Nazi-defending, because I'd rather focus on the larger problem when it comes to doxxing opponents. Like I said, only one side seems to hold the people who do this accountable (not including low-level supporters). And it's enough of a rarity that, when it does happen, it stands out. We can probably expect more of it as social media becomes more and more ingrained in our lives. It's very easy to threaten an opponent by publishing that information - knowing that once it gets out, it's out for good - then delete the message and appear to apologize.
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And all of these actions should be condemned and punished. That's the same 'logic' Trump used to suggest we torture people and execute the family members of ISIS fighters. 'The bad guys do it too' is not a compelling reason to do something wrong.
We can drop the Nazi-defending, because I'd rather focus on the larger problem when it comes to doxxing opponents. Like I said, only one side holds these people who do this accountable (not including low-level supporters). And it's enough of a rarity that, when it does happen, it stands out.
The larger problem is that it's objectively wrong to do and nobody should do it or condone it. No rational person should believe that criminal violence is a legitimate or preferred way to combat unpopular speech/ideas. It's not ok to take criminal actions against people just because they're those people. It's legally morally and ethically wrong and it's also a horrible precedent to set because everyone is one of those people to somebody.
And all of these actions should be condemned and punished. That's the same 'logic' Trump used to suggest we torture people and execute the family members of ISIS fighters. 'The bad guys do it too' is not a compelling reason to do something wrong.
We can drop the Nazi-defending, because I'd rather focus on the larger problem when it comes to doxxing opponents. Like I said, only one side holds these people who do this accountable (not including low-level supporters). And it's enough of a rarity that, when it does happen, it stands out.
The larger problem is that it's objectively wrong to do and nobody should do it or condone it. No rational person should believe that criminal violence is a legitimate or preferred way to combat unpopular speech/ideas. It's not ok to take criminal actions against people just because they're those people. It's legally morally and ethically wrong and it's also a horrible precedent to set because everyone is one of those people to somebody.
Right, and I will fully admit that I was wrong to even consider it as an option.
That doesn't change the fact that it's being done - has been done, in fact, by the current president elect - and it's not being condoned in a manner that will change anything unless the person who did it takes it upon themselves to create some kind of self-punishment.
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And all of these actions should be condemned and punished. That's the same 'logic' Trump used to suggest we torture people and execute the family members of ISIS fighters. 'The bad guys do it too' is not a compelling reason to do something wrong.
We can drop the Nazi-defending, because I'd rather focus on the larger problem when it comes to doxxing opponents. Like I said, only one side holds these people who do this accountable (not including low-level supporters). And it's enough of a rarity that, when it does happen, it stands out.
The larger problem is that it's objectively wrong to do and nobody should do it or condone it. No rational person should believe that criminal violence is a legitimate or preferred way to combat unpopular speech/ideas. It's not ok to take criminal actions against people just because they're those people. It's legally morally and ethically wrong and it's also a horrible precedent to set because everyone is one of those people to somebody.
Right, and I will fully admit that I was wrong to even consider it as an option.
That doesn't change the fact that it's being done - has been done, in fact, by the current president elect - and it's not being condoned in a manner that will change anything unless the person who did it takes it upon themselves to create some kind of self-punishment.
Agreed. People who engage in targeting individuals, publicizing their personal information and inciting violence against him/her needs to be condemned by all and be punished, if not legally then they should at least lose their jobs as no company should allow that kind of behavior from anyone who represents them.
Politico Editor RESIGNS After Publishing Home Addresses Of Alt-Right Icon Richard Spencer, Advocating For ‘Baseball Bats’
National editor at Politico Michael Hirsh resigned after publishing the home addresses of alt-right figurehead Richard Spencer Tuesday morning and advocating for serious violence.
Politico confirmed his resignation following requests for comment from The Daily Caller News Foundation.
“Stop whining about Richard B. Spencer, Nazi, and exercise your rights as decent Americans,” Hirsh wrote in a public Facebook post. “Here are his two addresses.”
The Daily Caller News Foundation redacted the home addresses.
Can't we agree that doing that to someone is, well, wrong?
Not that he's not a piece of crap, because he is.
Is it wrong? Yes, will I shed a tear if someone goes to his house and beats the crap out of him? No
Thats the most impressive defense of free speech I've ever seen. If I don't like them I don't mind if they are killed. Yep thats the American Spirit.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Years of playing Wolfenstein and Medal of Honor has taught me it's A-OK to indiscriminately gun down Nazis.
Do you want robot Hitler? Because condoning this guy is how we get robot Hitler.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
feeder wrote: Years of playing Wolfenstein and Medal of Honor has taught me it's A-OK to indiscriminately gun down Nazis.
Do you want robot Hitler? Because condoning this guy is how we get robot Hitler.
No, preserving free speech rights for guys like Spencer is how we preserve free speech rights for everyone. When we lose the right to speak undesirable speech we lose the right to free speech.
feeder wrote: Years of playing Wolfenstein and Medal of Honor has taught me it's A-OK to indiscriminately gun down Nazis.
Do you want robot Hitler? Because condoning this guy is how we get robot Hitler.
So now you're advocating killing people you feel are Nazis? Wow.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
