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 Ustrello wrote:
There is a difference between bad reporting and outright fake news that has been spread by the right recently

No... there's serious meltdowns on the left...

Julia Ioffe tweets:

Either Trump is fething his daughter or he's shirking neopotism laws. Which is worst?

Which she was promptly fired from Politico, then re-hired by The Atlantic.

Kurt Eichenwald, of Newsweek, wrote that his sources telling him that Trump was likely institutionalize in a mental hospital, and goes on a twitter rant when challenged.

Media jumped on a story about trump supporters harrassing a muslim girl's hajib, was recently arrested for filing false reports.

And on... and on...

The guy isn't President yet.

You all thought the Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) or Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS)... wasn't really a thing. Just wait how epic the Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) will be.

 CptJake wrote:

squidhills wrote:
We really need to start fitting our drones with self-destruct mechanisms to prevent tech from falling into enemy (or frienemy in China's case) hands. It would make a situation like this a non-issue.

"Sir, the Chinese captured one of our research drones"
*click* KABOOM!
"No they didn't, son."

Several reasons not to do so. Explosives and detonators take up volume and add weight which takes away from volume and weight you can allocate to sensors or fuel/batteries. It also requires a data link, and drones like this may not have a continuous data link. Even if it did, once captured there is no guarantee the link is not severed by the capturing party. It would also weaponize what in this case was probably a research drone, which is going to cause other issues.

Exactly. China grabbing this is an issue. But it is an issue that will be solved with words. It is possible that China grabbed it not knowing what it was at the time.

China is not going to want to piss off the international scientific community by appearing to interfere in their research in its neighbourhood, which not returning the drone would do, because it benefits from such research.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

squidhills wrote:
We really need to start fitting our drones with self-destruct mechanisms to prevent tech from falling into enemy (or frienemy in China's case) hands. It would make a situation like this a non-issue.

"Sir, the Chinese captured one of our research drones"
*click* KABOOM!
"No they didn't, son."

Several reasons not to do so. Explosives and detonators take up volume and add weight which takes away from volume and weight you can allocate to sensors or fuel/batteries. It also requires a data link, and drones like this may not have a continuous data link. Even if it did, once captured there is no guarantee the link is not severed by the capturing party. It would also weaponize what in this case was probably a research drone, which is going to cause other issues.

Exactly. China grabbing this is an issue. But it is an issue that will be solved with words. It is possible that China grabbed it not knowing what it was at the time.

China is not going to want to piss off the international scientific community by appearing to interfere in their research in its neighbourhood, which not returning the drone would do, because it benefits from such research.

It’s to scare off the US Navy from challenging China’s invention of sovereignty in the South China Sea.

That might have been why the Bowditch sent it's drone... they would obviously be interested in the surveyed aspects of these islands, especially in regard to their illegitimate creation.

So China is basically saying "feth off" 'murrican!

Obama is only going to give China a sternly written letter....

Who knows what Cheeto Jesus would do to Chyna...

 Frazzled wrote:

While Slate is Fox for the left, the fact remains that Trump and his circle of friends have brought an air of legitimacy to ideas that were previously considered fringe lunacy.

Mayhaps to your circle of friends. To others linking a President to a terrorist is considered bad form.
As the last KKK member in Congress was a Democrat, it would be more appropriate to argue HRC and this guy spring from the same tree.
After all who called a a specific group "super predators" again? Oh yea HRC.

Whataboutism? You're better than that. I hoped for Wiener legions or hyenadons.

 Frazzled wrote:

Ridiculous nonsense like #pizzagate and similar wouldn't have the legs it does without Trump and friend's twitter accounts.

Please cite where Trump tweeted anything about that?

Trump and friends, doing what they do best.

No no, you run from hyenadons. They have nasty dispositions.

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

squidhills wrote:
We really need to start fitting our drones with self-destruct mechanisms to prevent tech from falling into enemy (or frienemy in China's case) hands. It would make a situation like this a non-issue.

"Sir, the Chinese captured one of our research drones"
*click* KABOOM!
"No they didn't, son."

Several reasons not to do so. Explosives and detonators take up volume and add weight which takes away from volume and weight you can allocate to sensors or fuel/batteries. It also requires a data link, and drones like this may not have a continuous data link. Even if it did, once captured there is no guarantee the link is not severed by the capturing party. It would also weaponize what in this case was probably a research drone, which is going to cause other issues.

Exactly. China grabbing this is an issue. But it is an issue that will be solved with words. It is possible that China grabbed it not knowing what it was at the time.

China is not going to want to piss off the international scientific community by appearing to interfere in their research in its neighbourhood, which not returning the drone would do, because it benefits from such research.

It’s to scare off the US Navy from challenging China’s invention of sovereignty in the South China Sea.

That might have been why the Bowditch sent it's drone... they would obviously be interested in the surveyed aspects of these islands, especially in regard to their illegitimate creation.

So China is basically saying "feth off" 'murrican!

Obama is only going to give China a sternly written letter....

Who knows what Cheeto Jesus would do to Chyna...

Could be worse, could be a manned P3 SIGINT plane that they took and cleaned out everything of intel value before returning...

If there's one thing that never fails in this thread, it's whataboutism. Certain posters just can't bring themselves to universally condemn idiocy if there's a chance to score points against the other "team."

That's why this thread has always been garbage dump, is garbage dump, and will continue to be garbage dumb.

 CptJake wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

squidhills wrote:
We really need to start fitting our drones with self-destruct mechanisms to prevent tech from falling into enemy (or frienemy in China's case) hands. It would make a situation like this a non-issue.

"Sir, the Chinese captured one of our research drones"
*click* KABOOM!
"No they didn't, son."

Several reasons not to do so. Explosives and detonators take up volume and add weight which takes away from volume and weight you can allocate to sensors or fuel/batteries. It also requires a data link, and drones like this may not have a continuous data link. Even if it did, once captured there is no guarantee the link is not severed by the capturing party. It would also weaponize what in this case was probably a research drone, which is going to cause other issues.

Exactly. China grabbing this is an issue. But it is an issue that will be solved with words. It is possible that China grabbed it not knowing what it was at the time.

China is not going to want to piss off the international scientific community by appearing to interfere in their research in its neighbourhood, which not returning the drone would do, because it benefits from such research.

It’s to scare off the US Navy from challenging China’s invention of sovereignty in the South China Sea.

That might have been why the Bowditch sent it's drone... they would obviously be interested in the surveyed aspects of these islands, especially in regard to their illegitimate creation.

So China is basically saying "feth off" 'murrican!

Obama is only going to give China a sternly written letter....

Who knows what Cheeto Jesus would do to Chyna...

Could be worse, could be a manned P3 SIGINT plane that they took and cleaned out everything of intel value before returning...

Ooo... forgot about that.

Didn't the pilots execute some sort of 'system wipe' procedure then?

 whembly wrote:

Ooo... forgot about that.

Didn't the pilots execute some sort of 'system wipe' procedure then?

The pilots were busy trying not to crash, and the 'back seaters' running the collection gear didn't get the chance to wipe everything, it was an emergency landing of a messed up aircraft.

 CptJake wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Ooo... forgot about that.

Didn't the pilots execute some sort of 'system wipe' procedure then?

The pilots were busy trying not to crash, and the 'back seaters' running the collection gear didn't get the chance to wipe everything, it was an emergency landing of a messed up aircraft.

Well... trying not to crash is a good thing.

Hopefully the Chinese didn't get anything meaningful there...

Edit: never mind. not rising to the troll.

That's why this thread has always been garbage dump, is garbage dump, and will continue to be garbage dumb.

This is the basement. mayhaps consider going up top and read about our favorite toy soldiers and why learn why IG superior all others inferior.

IG, the wiener dog legions of humanity.

I wouldn't be surprised if this whole issue with China's seizure of the underwater, scientific drone is simply a measured, physical response to Trump and his Taiwan overtures. They're just saying "Hi, this area is ours." to our new POTUS-elect.

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole issue with China's seizure of the underwater, scientific drone is simply a measured, physical response to Trump and his Taiwan overtures. They're just saying "Hi, this area is ours." to our new POTUS-elect.

It's a continuation of their "this is our AOR" game that they've been playing the last 5 years. China has been stepping up the provocation with us in that region for a while now. It's not all Trump's fault.

 djones520 wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole issue with China's seizure of the underwater, scientific drone is simply a measured, physical response to Trump and his Taiwan overtures. They're just saying "Hi, this area is ours." to our new POTUS-elect.

It's a continuation of their "this is our AOR" game that they've been playing the last 5 years. China has been stepping up the provocation with us in that region for a while now. It's not all Trump's fault.

I'm going to say it...

When Obama was elected... anything bad was Bush's fault.

When Obama was re-elected... anything bad was either Bush's fault or Congressional Republican's fault...

When Obama leaves office... it'll be Trump's fault.

 whembly wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 BigWaaagh wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole issue with China's seizure of the underwater, scientific drone is simply a measured, physical response to Trump and his Taiwan overtures. They're just saying "Hi, this area is ours." to our new POTUS-elect.

It's a continuation of their "this is our AOR" game that they've been playing the last 5 years. China has been stepping up the provocation with us in that region for a while now. It's not all Trump's fault.

I'm going to say it...

When Obama was elected... anything bad was Bush's fault.

When Obama was re-elected... anything bad was either Bush's fault or Congressional Republican's fault...

When Obama leaves office... it'll be Trump's fault.

Depends what team you're on. I've seen some people who think the only good thing Obama has done is block bots from reselling tickets in the US.

 whembly wrote:
When Obama leaves office... it'll be Trump's fault.

Nah, Obama leaving office is FDR's fault for getting elected for four terms, resulting in an amendment limiting presidents to only two terms.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When Obama leaves office... it'll be Trump's fault.

Nah, Obama leaving office is FDR's fault for getting elected for four terms, resulting in an amendment limiting presidents to only two terms.

You joke but I honestly believe that had he been able to run again, Obama would have easily beaten Trump in the general election.

 Breotan wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:
When Obama leaves office... it'll be Trump's fault.

Nah, Obama leaving office is FDR's fault for getting elected for four terms, resulting in an amendment limiting presidents to only two terms.

You joke but I honestly believe that had he been able to run again, Obama would have easily beaten Trump in the general election.

I would certainly hope so.

So, Clinton should've run in 2012, then Obama does a comeback tour in 2016 to re-energise the base

 Ustrello wrote:
There is a difference between bad reporting and outright fake news that has been spread by the right recently

Apparently you didn't pay attention to the UVA rape case regarding Rolling Stone. The Girl told the reporter it didn't happen like she said BEFORE it ever got published. The reporter told her it was too late and she'd publish it anyway. Even after things blew up, and they were 100% positive it was false they republished the article again.

What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

Paul Krugman went there...

Thought: There was (rightly) a cloud of illegitimacy over Bush, dispelled (wrongly) by 9/11. Creates some interesting incentives for Trump

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) December 16, 2016

This is Alex Jones nuttery... and people pay for his opinions!

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

 feeder wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

Of course not she is just an angry black women who's opinions should be dismissed or belittled

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

Weren't people just arguing that people voted for Trump precisely due to them feeling hopeless and that nobody in the political status quo was on their side? If Trump doesn't make good on his promises, and there is a pretty big chance of that happening, then a time of hopelessness is quite likely.

 feeder wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

#ThisIsWhyTrumpWon

 whembly wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

#ThisIsWhyTrumpWon

I'm not even sure what that means. Trump won because people didn't like it when he was called a racist, sexist bully?

Screw that. The man is demonstrably a racist, sexist bully.

 whembly wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

#ThisIsWhyTrumpWon

You keep throwing that out there to somehow justify Trump winning the presidency, but is that also how you explain Trump winning the Republican nomination before that? You also like to claim Trump won the presidency because Hillary was "that bad", but that equally doesn't explain how he won the Republican nomination.

At what point does the responsibility fall on the actual voters for their own choices?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

#ThisIsWhyTrumpWon

You keep throwing that out there to somehow justify Trump winning the presidency, but is that also how you explain Trump winning the Republican nomination before that? You also like to claim Trump won the presidency because Hillary was "that bad", but that equally doesn't explain how he won the Republican nomination.

At what point does the responsibility fall on the actual voters for their own choices?

Comes back to the whole "Deplorables" comment. Not all Trump voters are Deplorables, but damn did a bunch come out of the woodwork.

 whembly wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
What brazen fething arrogance.

In a new interview with Oprah Winfrey, the first lady addressed the election outcome and suggested that the U.S. is entering a time of hopelessness.

I shouldn't be surprised. This is the woman who said President Obama's election was the first time in her adult life she was proud of her country.

You don't think, that as a woman of colour, the tacit endorsement by a plurality of states of a racist and sexist bully to the highest office in the land would make things seem hopeless?

#ThisIsWhyTrumpWon

What does that even mean?

I said "as a woman of colour". Her experiences and views will be different than Breotan's because Breotan is not, afaik, a woman of colour.

It may not be "brazen fething arrogance", but lived experience that would cause the First Lady to worry the future will be hopeless.